Hello, we found this in IGI but it provides no place of birth bar Wales and no full name for father and no mother - but if correct it may be worth doing a few searches based on these dates - do you have this already? It is the only marriage with these two names that we can find via IGI in the 10 years prior to the birth of the first son. Best wishes, Peter DAVID THOMAS Male Event(s): Birth: About 1788 Parents: Father: THOMAS Marriages: Spouse: ANN MORGAN Marriage: 1813 , , Wales -----Original Message----- From: Narelle [mailto:narelle@corp-tech.com.au] Sent: 30 March 2006 13:12 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAE] RE: THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 Hi Bryn, I am searching for information on a David Thomas and Ann Morgan (were married). All I know about them is that they had 2 sons by the names of Samuel David Thomas (born in 1814) and John Thomas (born in 1825). Both children were born in Caernarfon (I don't know what area). John married Jane Davis and emigrated to Australia. Samuel also emigrated at some stage and married Jessey Loddon (or Lawton) King. Do any of these names mean anything to you? Kind Regards Narelle Tognolini (in Australia) -----Original Message----- From: Bryn Thomas [mailto:brynthomas@lineone.net] Sent: Wednesday, 29 March 2006 7:56 AM To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 Hello - I'm a new subscriber to this list. Looking my ggrand parents family that are listed in census from 1871 - but have struggled to find any evidence from before then. Listed in 1871 census living at 19 Pen-y-Bryn, Llanllechid: William THOMAS (b 1822c, Llandegai) Margaret THOMAS (b 1824c, Llanbeblig) Elizabeth THOMAS (b 1849c, Bangor) Robert THOMAS (b 1854c, Bangor) Richard THOMAS (b 1859c, Bangor) Margaret A THOMAS (b 1862c Llanllechid) Hugh THOMAS (b 1864c Llanllechid) William THOMAS (b 1867c Llanllechid) I have searched through 1851 & 1861 census with no luck. Regards Bryn Thomas Shropshire ______________________________ ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml Bangor University Archives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Jude - Thanks for your message. No I hadn't thought of a name change ! But I have no evidence of a name change. I did find a record of a the possible christening of the father William Thomas listed at Llandegai on 17 Feb 1822 - (parents = William & Mary Thomas) - although I have not been able to confirm this. Bryn ----- Original Message ----- From: <FBMonster@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 > Hi Bryn > > Welcome to the list! > > Have you any evidence that patronymics played a part in your family > history. > > Your family changing their surname/last name could certainly answer why > there is no evidence of them under Thomas in the previous census records. > If > there are any middle names in the family these could be previous > surnames. > > Jude > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Many thanks - I missed David R from my list ! There was also an older brother John W Thomas who I assume had already left home. Many thanks Bryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret.pollard" <margaret.pollard@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 > Tried and failed > Did you know there is also a son David R Thomas born 1857 shown in 1871? > Sorry > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryn Thomas [mailto:brynthomas@lineone.net] > Sent: 28 March 2006 22:56 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CAE] THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 > > Hello - I'm a new subscriber to this list. > > Looking my ggrand parents family that are listed in census from 1871 - but > have struggled to find any evidence from before then. > > Listed in 1871 census living at 19 Pen-y-Bryn, Llanllechid: > > William THOMAS (b 1822c, Llandegai) > Margaret THOMAS (b 1824c, Llanbeblig) > Elizabeth THOMAS (b 1849c, Bangor) > Robert THOMAS (b 1854c, Bangor) > Richard THOMAS (b 1859c, Bangor) > Margaret A THOMAS (b 1862c Llanllechid) > Hugh THOMAS (b 1864c Llanllechid) > William THOMAS (b 1867c Llanllechid) > > I have searched through 1851 & 1861 census with no luck. > > Regards > > > Bryn Thomas > Shropshire > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Tried and failed Did you know there is also a son David R Thomas born 1857 shown in 1871? Sorry Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Bryn Thomas [mailto:brynthomas@lineone.net] Sent: 28 March 2006 22:56 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAE] THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 Hello - I'm a new subscriber to this list. Looking my ggrand parents family that are listed in census from 1871 - but have struggled to find any evidence from before then. Listed in 1871 census living at 19 Pen-y-Bryn, Llanllechid: William THOMAS (b 1822c, Llandegai) Margaret THOMAS (b 1824c, Llanbeblig) Elizabeth THOMAS (b 1849c, Bangor) Robert THOMAS (b 1854c, Bangor) Richard THOMAS (b 1859c, Bangor) Margaret A THOMAS (b 1862c Llanllechid) Hugh THOMAS (b 1864c Llanllechid) William THOMAS (b 1867c Llanllechid) I have searched through 1851 & 1861 census with no luck. Regards Bryn Thomas Shropshire ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. www.llgc.org.uk/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thanks to everyone for their helpful advice. I don't know that I'm any further advanced with this gentleman, but I will keep trying. Thanks to all for your help Regards Dianne Hughes From a very, very dry Teesdale Victoria Australia

Bryn, One trick if have used in getting "around" census info is taking a look at neighbors. Sometimes, the neighbors remain in the same area and ancestors are also there, but for some reason listed under another name. I have used this technique to find a lot of lost relatives. The results are sometimes stunning, gross misspellings, patronymics AND misspelling, living with another family and THAT family surname is "attached" to the subject family. Anyway, I thought I would offer this suggestion, and I hope maybe it might work for you. Richard Sergeant Vancouver, WA USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryn Thomas" <brynthomas@lineone.net> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 > Hi Jude - > > Thanks for your message. > > No I hadn't thought of a name change ! But I have no evidence of a name > change. > > I did find a record of a the possible christening of the father William > Thomas listed at Llandegai on 17 Feb 1822 - (parents = William & Mary > Thomas) - although I have not been able to confirm this. > > Bryn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FBMonster@aol.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [CAE] THOMAS - Llanllechid & Bangor 1850-1870 > > >> Hi Bryn >> >> Welcome to the list! >> >> Have you any evidence that patronymics played a part in your family >> history. >> >> Your family changing their surname/last name could certainly answer why >> there is no evidence of them under Thomas in the previous census records. >> If >> there are any middle names in the family these could be previous >> surnames. >> >> Jude >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon >> This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and >> English are welcome >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Bryn Welcome to the list! Have you any evidence that patronymics played a part in your family history. Your family changing their surname/last name could certainly answer why there is no evidence of them under Thomas in the previous census records. If there are any middle names in the family these could be previous surnames. Jude

Hello - I'm a new subscriber to this list. Looking my ggrand parents family that are listed in census from 1871 - but have struggled to find any evidence from before then. Listed in 1871 census living at 19 Pen-y-Bryn, Llanllechid: William THOMAS (b 1822c, Llandegai) Margaret THOMAS (b 1824c, Llanbeblig) Elizabeth THOMAS (b 1849c, Bangor) Robert THOMAS (b 1854c, Bangor) Richard THOMAS (b 1859c, Bangor) Margaret A THOMAS (b 1862c Llanllechid) Hugh THOMAS (b 1864c Llanllechid) William THOMAS (b 1867c Llanllechid) I have searched through 1851 & 1861 census with no luck. Regards Bryn Thomas Shropshire

There is not a lot inside them to go wrong, try asking somewhere that does TV or electrical appliance repairs - make sure they actually do the repairs themselves. It should be well within their capabilities as there is not much inside them. Any library will probably let you use their fiche reader. I have taken my own fiche down to our local library so I can print out details and had no problems. Just make sure they are aware what you are doing and doing think you are stealing their fiche! Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: Meirion Hughes [mailto:twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk] > Sent: 27 March 2006 16:57 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAE] Fiche Readers > > Hi Kenneth > > I am sure that you could have the use of the Caernarfon > Archives fiche readers, were you to contact them on 01286 > 679095. The Record Office is in Victoria Dock, Caernarfon and > could, also, know of someone who specializes in repairs to > fiche readers. > > All the best, > > T. Meirion Hughes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SKennethHughes@aol.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:36 PM > Subject: [CAE] Fiche Readers > > > > Does anyone know of someone who repairs fiche readers ? > > Alternatively, where can i use one to read my fiche? > > I live just outside of Bangor. > > Kenneth Hughes

Hello Kenneth I bought my microfiche reader from a company called Covergold. I've also found a web site that may be helpful to you. http://www.goingspare.co.uk/#LIST5 Regards Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: <SKennethHughes@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: [CAE] Fiche Readers > Does anyone know of someone who repairs fiche readers ? > Alternatively, where can i use one to read my fiche? > I live just outside of Bangor. > Kenneth Hughes > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/293 - Release Date: 26/03/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/293 - Release Date: 26/03/2006

Hi Kenneth I am sure that you could have the use of the Caernarfon Archives fiche readers, were you to contact them on 01286 679095. The Record Office is in Victoria Dock, Caernarfon and could, also, know of someone who specializes in repairs to fiche readers. All the best, T. Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: <SKennethHughes@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: [CAE] Fiche Readers > Does anyone know of someone who repairs fiche readers ? > Alternatively, where can i use one to read my fiche? > I live just outside of Bangor. > Kenneth Hughes > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Thanks to everyone for your assistance. Kenneth

Does anyone know of someone who repairs fiche readers ? Alternatively, where can i use one to read my fiche? I live just outside of Bangor. Kenneth Hughes

Pat, My grandfather sang with them. Let me see what I can find out from my family in Bethesda. My one cousin is a truck driver at the quarry. He might be able to tell me something. Arlene > Does anyone on the list know anything about Male voice choirs at Penrhyn > Quarry in the early 20th century, > > > > I have been sent a photo of a group of men in a slate quarry. The board in > the front of the group says it is the Rainy Days Male Voice Choir, ?? > Silver > Cup. There could be a 1910 date on the bottom. The writing is rather > faint. > I presume they are at the Penrhyn Slate Quarries. > > > > I would be grateful for any information. > > > > Pat Chapman > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > --

Kenneth, Here is the States, the fiche readers are extremely inexpensive, and as one person noted, very easy to repair. Before paying some outrageous price for repair, maybe check the price of a used one. If you lived near me, I would just give you the one I have!! :) I would suggest looking for a Family History Center of the Latter-Day Saints. They have reader-printers and that would enable you to carry off a copy of any info you wanted as well as save time not having to write down all the info. Good suggestion was making sure that everyone knows the fiche you are using belong to you!! :) Best of luck, Richard Sergeant Vancouver, WA USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <SKennethHughes@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: [CAE] Fiche Readers > Does anyone know of someone who repairs fiche readers ? > Alternatively, where can i use one to read my fiche? > I live just outside of Bangor. > Kenneth Hughes > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi, I am trying to trace a marriage of William EVANS (son of Evan Thomas of Tal y Llyn, Llanrhychwyn) to Anne THOMAS of Ysbyty Ifan (not sure if that is her surname at marriage or at birth), between the years of 1851 and 1855, possibly at Ysbyty Ifan, as that is where Anne was born about 1822 (according to census records). Can someone please advise where the parish records are held for Ysbyty Ifan for this period, for non-conformist churches? Thank you, Glenys Lawrence

There would be no nonconformist church records of marriage for 1851-1855, as nonconformist chapels were not allowed to hold their own registers until the mid 1870s (1873 - I think). All chapel weddings between 1837 and 1873ish were recorded as civil marriages. Chapel, church or RO, a marriage between 1851 and 1855 should have been recorded with the Registrar of BMD for the locality. You can contact the registrar for the Llanrhychwyn / Ysbyty area by e-mailing: licensing.unit@conwy.gov.uk Hope this helps! All the best Alwyn -----Neges Wreiddiol-----/-----Original Message----- Oddi wrth/From: Glenys Lawrence [mailto:glenysl@paradise.net.nz] Anfonwyd/Sent: 25 March 2006 22:58 At/To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Pwnc/Subject: [CAE] Ysbyty Ifan marriage William Evans, Ann Thomas, 1851-55 Hi, I am trying to trace a marriage of William EVANS (son of Evan Thomas of Tal y Llyn, Llanrhychwyn) to Anne THOMAS of Ysbyty Ifan (not sure if that is her surname at marriage or at birth), between the years of 1851 and 1855, possibly at Ysbyty Ifan, as that is where Anne was born about 1822 (according to census records). Can someone please advise where the parish records are held for Ysbyty Ifan for this period, for non-conformist churches? Thank you, Glenys Lawrence -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006

Those intending to visit local government run archive offices or libraries (in the UK) on Tuesday 28th of March, should be aware that the public services union Unison is taking a day of strike action on that day, so before making a wasted journey it might be best to phone before hand in case the services you require are affected. Please note! This message is for information only - comments about the rights or wrongs of Unison's dispute and action are NOT appropriate to this list. All the best Alwyn List admin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 24/03/2006

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1907 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hello, We have found this site useful regarding quarrying and quarrymen; including cultural and social life. http://www.llechicymru.info/index.english.htm Best wishes, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Pat & Bill Chapman [mailto:pat@pat24.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 25 March 2006 22:21 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAE] Rainy Days Male Voice Choir Does anyone on the list know anything about Male voice choirs at Penrhyn Quarry in the early 20th century, I have been sent a photo of a group of men in a slate quarry. The board in the front of the group says it is the Rainy Days Male Voice Choir, ?? Silver Cup. There could be a 1910 date on the bottom. The writing is rather faint. I presume they are at the Penrhyn Slate Quarries. I would be grateful for any information. Pat Chapman ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/brow se_archive.pl ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx