Dear Maggie and Martin, Thank you very much for your help. We will check the references - all we have is an elderly relative stating that a key family marriage took place at Rowen. http://www.davidchapmansculpture.co.uk/studiopage.htm We found this a deconsecrated church given as Rowen but now it's an artist's studio; he also does reconstruction archaeology. We did not know if this was the church or where its records might be - according to this site it closed in the 1980s. We thought that this might be the only church at Rowen and according to the map on the page it is at what we thought was the right Rowen. "Llangelynnin New Church, Rowen - Llangelynnin New Church was built at the beginning of the Nineteenth Century to replace the old early medieval parish church which had become isolated from the main settlements 'its solitude is only relieved by the neighbourhood of a single house'.The New Church was situated in one of the most picturesque locations in North Wales. Both churches were dedicated to St Celynin who lived during the 6th Century, but whereas the Old Church is a typical low, simple Welsh medieval church, the New Church was designed by Thomas Jones of Chester in a powerful, lofty Late Georgian style. The most unusual feature of the building is the tower with its square lower storey surmounted by an octagonal embattled upper stage." Thank you from us all, Peter family -----Original Message----- From: Martin Briscoe [mailto:mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: 26 April 2006 20:31 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire Is the one at SH 75830 72050 classed at Rowen? Sure I saw activity there last time I was in the village. This one I think (from COFLEIN) Ro-Wen, Y, Chapel (Welsh Calvinistic Methodist;Seion), Ro Wen Broad Class of Site: Religious, Ritual and Funerary Type of Site: CHAPEL NPRN: 6770 Period: Post Medieval ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Location Map reference: SH77SE Grid reference: SH75837200 Community: Caerhun Council: Conwy Old County: Caernarfonshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Site Description Chapel founded 1789; (re)built (on new site?) 1841. Built in the Simple Round-Headed style, gable entry type. Status (1995): in chapel use. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: Blythin1@aol.com [mailto:Blythin1@aol.com] > Sent: 26 April 2006 20:00 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire > > Sorry about all the squiggles - that's what happens when you > copy and paste ! Let me tidy it up > > I don't think there's a church in Rowen-these seem to be the > nearest. > > 2 SSW _Church in Wales Llanbedr-y-cennin > 3 NNE _Church in Wales Gyffin > 3 ESE _Church in Wales Eglwysbach > > That's better > Maggi > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Llyfrgell > Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for > your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family > and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sou rceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd Gwynedd Family History Society's Website http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Is the one at SH 75830 72050 classed at Rowen? Sure I saw activity there last time I was in the village. This one I think (from COFLEIN) Ro-Wen, Y, Chapel (Welsh Calvinistic Methodist;Seion), Ro Wen Broad Class of Site: Religious, Ritual and Funerary Type of Site: CHAPEL NPRN: 6770 Period: Post Medieval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Location Map reference: SH77SE Grid reference: SH75837200 Community: Caerhun Council: Conwy Old County: Caernarfonshire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Site Description Chapel founded 1789; (re)built (on new site?) 1841. Built in the Simple Round-Headed style, gable entry type. Status (1995): in chapel use. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: Blythin1@aol.com [mailto:Blythin1@aol.com] > Sent: 26 April 2006 20:00 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire > > Sorry about all the squiggles - that's what happens when you > copy and paste ! Let me tidy it up > > I don't think there's a church in Rowen-these seem to be the > nearest. > > 2 SSW _Church in Wales Llanbedr-y-cennin > 3 NNE _Church in Wales Gyffin > 3 ESE _Church in Wales Eglwysbach > > That's better > Maggi > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Llyfrgell > Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for > your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family > and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sou rceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Only Ellis Williams at Llanddeiniolen, aged 9, was living with his mother Jane, aged 41 at Pen y Cefn. No mention of the father, although Jane says that she is married. There was also daughter also named Jane (aged 19), sons Ffoulke (17), William (14), and John (01), and daughters Dorothy (6) and Margaret (4). Hope this helps, Ieuan.

I think they might be in Llandudno. I have been through some of the registers for the area around Caerhun in the Conwy Archives but can't be sure that they included Rowen. (Looking for William PARRY father of Thomas PARRU born Caerhun 1816, he was a wood turner.) I don't think they have their catalogue online www.conwy.gov.uk/archives Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: peter lister [mailto:peter@lister.plus.com] > Sent: 26 April 2006 17:53 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire > > > Hello, > > Does anyone know if the marriage records for Rowen are > available anywhere?

Hello, Does anyone know if the marriage records for Rowen are available anywhere? If by any chance anyone on the list has the records we are looking for a ROWLANDS marriage - Richard ROWLANDS to a Jane. Or possibly William ROWLANDS to a Jane or a Margaret. We know that one ROWLANDS marriage took place there but have been unable to track it (or which one) so any help most gratefully received! Thank you and in anticipation - Peter's family

In a message dated 26/04/2006 21:48:22 GMT Standard Time, peter@lister.plus.com writes: http://www.davidchapmansculpture.co.uk/studiopage.htm Llangelynnin records should be in Caernarfon archives. We visited the old church last summer-an amazing place. Regards Maggi

Sorry about all the squiggles - that's what happens when you copy and paste ! Let me tidy it up I don't think there's a church in Rowen-these seem to be the nearest. 2 SSW _Church in Wales Llanbedr-y-cennin 3 NNE _Church in Wales Gyffin 3 ESE _Church in Wales Eglwysbach That's better Maggi

I don't think there's a church in Rowen-these seem to be the nearest. ~ 2 SSW _Church in Wales_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churches?CCC=CAE,GR=31,FT=Llanbedr-y-cennin%20%20Church%20in%20Wales) , Llanbedr-y-cennin ~ 3 NNE _Church in Wales_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churches?CCC=CAE,GR=27,FT=Gyffin%20%20Church%20in%20Wales) , Gyffin ~ 3 ESE _Church in Wales_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/churches?CCC=DEN,GR=14,FT=Eglwysbach%20%20Church%20in%20Wales) , _Eglwysbach_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Eglwysbach/index.html) , Denbighshire Regards Maggi

He has a new wife on the 1871, Ann must have died. Living at 3 Vron dirion Terrace, Bangor Margaret Hughes abt 1859, 12, scholar, Liverpool Niece Bangor Caernarvonshire Margaret Jonathan abt 1828, 43, Liverpool Wife Bangor Caernarvonshire Robert Jonathan abt 1804, 67, Painter Caernarvon Head Bangor Caernarvonshire --

Living at Elson Terrace, Upper Bangor in 1861 Frederick William Bommwell abt 1833, 19, lodger, Lloyss agent, Huntingdonshire, England Lodger Bangor Caernarvonshire Ann Jonathan abt 1809, Caernarvonshire, Wales Wife Bangor Caernarvonshire Robert Jonathan abt 1809, 52, Painter, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head Bangor Caernarvonshire William Pritchard abt 1842, 19, articls clerk-law, Llangwyllog, Anglesey, Wales Lodger Bangor Caernarvonshire David Roberts abt 1832, 29, Quarryman,Toly Bont, Caernarvonshire, Wales Visitor Bangor Caernarvonshire Mary Thomas abt 1841, 20, Servant, Batheda, Caernarvonshire, Wales Servant Bangor Caernarvonshire --

He lived on High Street, Bangor on the 1841. I have him all the way to 1871 and will send them to you. Arlene Elizabeth Bridgen abt 1814 Bangor Caernarvonshire Anne Jonathan abt 1813 Caernarvonshire, Wales Bangor Caernarvonshire Robert Jonathan abt 1811, 30 yrs.old, Caernarvonshire, Wales Bangor Caernarvonshire > Hello, > I wonder whether anyone has access to the 1841 and 1851 census for Bangor > and willing to do a look up please? > I am searching for the address of Robert Jonathan, Portrait Painter in > Bangor. According to Slaters he was in Bangor between 1835 and 1856. He > painted > two exceptionally fine half portraits of my Great Great Great Grandparents > in > 1846, and I am interested in finsng out as much about him as I can. > > > > Many thanks for your help > Angharad > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > --

Hello, I wonder whether anyone has access to the 1841 and 1851 census for Bangor and willing to do a look up please? I am searching for the address of Robert Jonathan, Portrait Painter in Bangor. According to Slaters he was in Bangor between 1835 and 1856. He painted two exceptionally fine half portraits of my Great Great Great Grandparents in 1846, and I am interested in finsng out as much about him as I can. Many thanks for your help Angharad

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1896 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section. There are also a few more items added to "Photographers' Advertising Cards" and "Clockmakers & Their Wares." These can be found in the Images Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Have you tried the online BT telephone book? Just a thought. Arlene > Hello Alwyn > I joined them many years ago and had a search done for old Taffy but with > no > results. Seeing as he would be as old as myself he must be 86 so maybe the > old fella is long dead. Thanks for taking the time to respond. > Owen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alwyn ap Huw" <alwynaphuw@dsl.pipex.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:23 PM > Subject: ATB: [CAE] war time buddy > > >> As a general rule Rootsweb Mailing Lists do not help people looking for >> other living people or for people who do not appear in your own family >> tree. >> >> >> Have you tried: >> >> http://www.forcesreunited.org.uk/ >> >> You have to pay a fiver to join, but I am told that many of those who >> have >> done so have found many an old buddy. My father has made contact with a >> few >> old National Service mates through this site and swears by it. >> >> Having tried other services provided by the same company I have some >> major >> reservations. But who am I to argue against my Dad and his old comrades >> in >> arms? >> >> Its up to you to decide if it's worth a fiver to try them or not! >> >> All the best >> >> Alwyn >> >> >> >> >> -----Neges Wreiddiol-----/-----Original Message----- >> Oddi wrth/From: Owen [mailto:oclarke4@comcast.net] >> Anfonwyd/Sent: 19 April 2006 04:55 >> At/To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Pwnc/Subject: [CAE] war time buddy >> >> I am new to this list and have joined in the hopes that someone out >> there >> may be able to help me find my old war-time buddy. >> >> Bill (Taffy) Lloyd, Leading Aircraftsman, RAF. >> >> During 1942, 43 and 44 Bill served with me at #34SFTS Medicine Hat, >> Alberta, >> Canada. >> When we were posted back home in '44 I lost track of Bill. >> I'm afraid it's not a lot to go on but I'm afraid it's all I have. >> I do have some pictures of him so if anybody would like copies I would >> be >> happy to send a few by e-mail. They would be JPG files so any program >> should >> open them. >> >> Owen Leslie Lawrence Clarke. >> I have put my full name because while in the Hat I was known by my >> second >> name Leslie. The local lads we met the first night out in1941 didn't >> think >> much of Owen, so I gave them a choice. >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: >> 19/04/2006 >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml >> Bangor University Archives >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > --

This e-mail is forwarded on behalf of Alex Lind of 20/20 TV, who is looking for people to participate in his TV Programme. If you think that you may be able to help, please contact the TV Company directly. Please don't respond to me - I know nothing more than is in the forwarded - Alwyn Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: alexlind@twentytwenty.tv I am the Associate Producer of a new genealogy documentary series for Channel 4. The focus of our series is to follow the compelling journeys of exciting British characters who are tracing estranged or long lost relatives in the USA. Best regards Alex Lind Twenty Twenty TV 020 7284 2020 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 19/04/2006

Hi Michelle, 1851 shows the following for Ellis WILLIAMS Ellis Williams abt 1840 Llannor, CAE, Wales Son Denio CAE Ellis Williams abt 1842 Llanddeiniolen, CAE, Waleson Llanddeiniolen CAE Ellis Williams abt 1841 Llandrillo, Denbighshire, Wales Son Llandrillo yn Rhos CAE Ellis Williamsabt 1842 Llannor, CAE, Wales Son Llannor CAE Ellis Williamsabt 1841 Bedgelant, CAE, Wales Servant Llanrug CAE There isn't any entry for Ellis John in 1851 (that the index shows:-)) Do you have any location for your Ellis' birth? In the above, first place is POB, then location of census. I could send you any that suit. I'll look at 1861 later. Cheers Peter Williams Lower Hutt New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Cook" <chelcooknz@yahoo.co.nz> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: [CAE] Ellis John WILLIAMS - Help needed please > > I am trying to establish who the parent's are of Ellis > John WILLIAMS born c. 1841 in Carnarvonshire. He > emigrated to New Zealand in 1872 on the Charlotte > Gladstone. > Is there sks who would be able to have a look at the > 1851 & 1861 census for me please? > > Michelle Cook > Christchurch > New Zealand > > > Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 19/04/2006 > >

I am trying to establish who the parent’s are of Ellis John WILLIAMS born c. 1841 in Carnarvonshire. He emigrated to New Zealand in 1872 on the Charlotte Gladstone. Is there sks who would be able to have a look at the 1851 & 1861 census for me please? Michelle Cook Christchurch New Zealand Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

As a general rule Rootsweb Mailing Lists do not help people looking for other living people or for people who do not appear in your own family tree. Have you tried: http://www.forcesreunited.org.uk/ You have to pay a fiver to join, but I am told that many of those who have done so have found many an old buddy. My father has made contact with a few old National Service mates through this site and swears by it. Having tried other services provided by the same company I have some major reservations. But who am I to argue against my Dad and his old comrades in arms? Its up to you to decide if it's worth a fiver to try them or not! All the best Alwyn -----Neges Wreiddiol-----/-----Original Message----- Oddi wrth/From: Owen [mailto:oclarke4@comcast.net] Anfonwyd/Sent: 19 April 2006 04:55 At/To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Pwnc/Subject: [CAE] war time buddy I am new to this list and have joined in the hopes that someone out there may be able to help me find my old war-time buddy. Bill (Taffy) Lloyd, Leading Aircraftsman, RAF. During 1942, 43 and 44 Bill served with me at #34SFTS Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada. When we were posted back home in '44 I lost track of Bill. I'm afraid it's not a lot to go on but I'm afraid it's all I have. I do have some pictures of him so if anybody would like copies I would be happy to send a few by e-mail. They would be JPG files so any program should open them. Owen Leslie Lawrence Clarke. I have put my full name because while in the Hat I was known by my second name Leslie. The local lads we met the first night out in1941 didn't think much of Owen, so I gave them a choice. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 19/04/2006

Hi, The TDL Directory for 1937 has been completed and is now available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hello Alwyn I joined them many years ago and had a search done for old Taffy but with no results. Seeing as he would be as old as myself he must be 86 so maybe the old fella is long dead. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Owen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alwyn ap Huw" <alwynaphuw@dsl.pipex.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: ATB: [CAE] war time buddy > As a general rule Rootsweb Mailing Lists do not help people looking for > other living people or for people who do not appear in your own family > tree. > > > Have you tried: > > http://www.forcesreunited.org.uk/ > > You have to pay a fiver to join, but I am told that many of those who have > done so have found many an old buddy. My father has made contact with a > few > old National Service mates through this site and swears by it. > > Having tried other services provided by the same company I have some major > reservations. But who am I to argue against my Dad and his old comrades in > arms? > > Its up to you to decide if it's worth a fiver to try them or not! > > All the best > > Alwyn > > > > > -----Neges Wreiddiol-----/-----Original Message----- > Oddi wrth/From: Owen [mailto:oclarke4@comcast.net] > Anfonwyd/Sent: 19 April 2006 04:55 > At/To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Pwnc/Subject: [CAE] war time buddy > > I am new to this list and have joined in the hopes that someone out there > may be able to help me find my old war-time buddy. > > Bill (Taffy) Lloyd, Leading Aircraftsman, RAF. > > During 1942, 43 and 44 Bill served with me at #34SFTS Medicine Hat, > Alberta, > Canada. > When we were posted back home in '44 I lost track of Bill. > I'm afraid it's not a lot to go on but I'm afraid it's all I have. > I do have some pictures of him so if anybody would like copies I would be > happy to send a few by e-mail. They would be JPG files so any program > should > open them. > > Owen Leslie Lawrence Clarke. > I have put my full name because while in the Hat I was known by my second > name Leslie. The local lads we met the first night out in1941 didn't think > much of Owen, so I gave them a choice. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/319 - Release Date: 19/04/2006 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >