Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1878 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Has any lister the means to inform me what was the name of the father of a Morris Owen who married Jane Ellis in 1883 somewhere in Caernarvonshire. Without me purchasing the marriage certificate.Thankyou. Alun.

I've been looking for them and have had no success in CAE, but I found this record on AGY: Record Jane Ellis 1883 Apr-May-Jun Anglesey (1837-1937) Anglesey Morris Owens 1883 Apr-May-Jun Anglesey (1837-1937) Anglesey Arlene > > Has any lister the means to inform me what was the name of the father of > a > Morris Owen who married Jane Ellis in 1883 somewhere in Caernarvonshire. > Without me purchasing the marriage certificate.Thankyou. Alun. > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > --

Thank you to everyone who replied. This list is so helpful. Michelle Cook Christchurch New Zealand --- Michelle Cook <chelcooknz@yahoo.co.nz> wrote: > Is there sks who has access to the 1841 census for > me > please. Looking for the following > > Foulk Williams abt 1834 Caernarvonshire > > Mother's name is Jane born 1810 > > Thank you > Michelle Cook > > > Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Is there sks who has access to the 1841 census for me please. Looking for the following Foulk Williams abt 1834 Caernarvonshire Mother's name is Jane born 1810 Thank you Michelle Cook Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

I will send the pages as attachments to your address. Mail to follow. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Cook" <chelcooknz@yahoo.co.nz> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: [CAE] 1841 census lookup please > Is there sks who has access to the 1841 census for me > please. Looking for the following > > Foulk Williams abt 1834 Caernarvonshire > > Mother's name is Jane born 1810 > > Thank you > Michelle Cook > > > > Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Michelle, 1841 census HO107/1394/11 Registration district "Carnarvon", sub-registration district Llanrug, district#14, folio 5 page 2-3; Civil parish: Llanddeiniolen; Hundred: Is Gorfai Place: Tan y Ffordd John Williams (Male) 35 Slate Quarryman, born in County Jane Williams (Female) 30 Do Jane Do (F) 10 Do Foulk Do (M) 7 Do William Do (M) 5 Do I hope the spacing isn't whacky, my formatting is acting up. Rachel CT, USA

Hello Desiree Which census have you got him in ! Regards Maggi (Blythin)

Hi all, I am searching for the father of the above gentleman. This gentleman was found to be born in Llanystumdwy, Carnaervon and later living with . presumably a stepfather Evan JONES and his mother. There were presumably two children from the stepfather's previous marriage and Thomas and a sister from his own father (or birth father) and another child from the new marriage, younger than Thomas. I am trying to find details on census of Thomas and his family as a unit with his birth father. Any help please. I am visiting Wales later this month and would like to visit the birth place of Thomas and his family's last home together, before he went to New/Rock Ferry. Desiree Canada

Angharad, Seeing that Robert Jonathan was said to have been born at Llanbeblig (Caernarfon) on the 1851 census, I would imagine that he is related to Henry Jonathan, who was a hatter in High Street. There were early Jonathans also living and working as hatters at Beaumaris in the late 18th. Century whom I believe to be the same family. Regards, Keith. ----- Original Message ----- From: <AngharadHolmes@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] RE: Portrait Painter in bangor > Thank you David, this has been very helpful > And a big thank you to everyone who helped me in my quest for more > information on Robert Jonathan, Painter of Bangor. > Angharad > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hello, I am new to this list and I need some assistance in looking for some Ancestors. Mary Ann Thorman (or Thurman) was born Waenfawr, Caernarvonshire between 1880-1885. Her Father Richard Thorman Mother Margaret Thorman. I believe Richard and Margaret were born in the same area. I would like to know if Mary Ann had any Siblings, and Margarets maiden name. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Barbara Ann Phillips bphil1@earthlink.net

Thank you David, this has been very helpful And a big thank you to everyone who helped me in my quest for more information on Robert Jonathan, Painter of Bangor. Angharad

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1888 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

As promised, here are the Census details to supplement Arlene's helpful replies. 1841 Bangor: High Street [lower end of High St., near Mount Street] Robert Jonathan, Painter, 30, [Born Bangor] Anne do. 28, " " Elizabeth [Bridgen?], 27, [not born in Bangor] 1851 Bangor: High Street Robert Jonathan, Head, 41, Artist/Painter, b. Llanbeblig Ann " Wife, 40, b. Llandegai This is taken from the GFHS Index so should be checked for accuracy. With the actual Census you can work out where in High Street they lived. John Steegman's 'Portraits in Welsh Houses', Vol.1, North Wales (1957) list over 2000 portraits, but unfortunately none are by Robert Jonathan. Good luck with your research, David -----Original Message----- From: David Price [mailto:davidprice21@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 29 April 2006 19:55 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Portrait Painter in bangor Angharad I have an interest in Bangor artists, but although I had seen his name in trade directories, I know nothing of his work. I researched in some detail the life and work of landscape artist Joseph Josiah Dodd, who like Jonathan, lived (briefly c.1860)at Eldon Terrace(near the top of Glanrafon Hill). I see in the GFHS Marriage Index that Robert Jonathan married by licence Anne Roberts at Bangor Cathedral 19 April 1834 (both single otp). I can't see anything about him in Peter Lord's splendid books on Welsh art. At NLW Aberystwyth there is a large card index of Welsh portraits which may give you some information. I'll try to send details of 1841 & 51 tomorrow. Regards David Price, Bangor -----Original Message----- From: AngharadHolmes@aol.com [mailto:AngharadHolmes@aol.com] Sent: 26 April 2006 09:25 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Portrait Painter in bangor Hello, I wonder whether anyone has access to the 1841 and 1851 census for Bangor and willing to do a look up please? I am searching for the address of Robert Jonathan, Portrait Painter in Bangor. According to Slaters he was in Bangor between 1835 and 1856. He painted two exceptionally fine half portraits of my Great Great Great Grandparents in 1846, and I am interested in finsng out as much about him as I can. Many thanks for your help Angharad ______________________________

David, Have you had any luck with finding them on the 1851 census. I've tried all of Britain and haven't found them, but ancestry.com often makes mistakes. It just seems odd that they are on all but the 1851. Any thoughts? Arlene > As promised, here are the Census details to supplement Arlene's helpful > replies. > > 1841 Bangor: High Street [lower end of High St., near Mount Street] > > Robert Jonathan, Painter, 30, [Born Bangor] > Anne do. 28, " " > Elizabeth [Bridgen?], 27, [not born in Bangor] > > 1851 Bangor: High Street > > Robert Jonathan, Head, 41, Artist/Painter, b. Llanbeblig > Ann " Wife, 40, b. Llandegai > > This is taken from the GFHS Index so should be checked for accuracy. With > the actual Census you can work out where in High Street they lived. > > John Steegman's 'Portraits in Welsh Houses', Vol.1, North Wales (1957) > list > over 2000 portraits, but unfortunately none are by Robert Jonathan. > > Good luck with your research, > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Price [mailto:davidprice21@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: 29 April 2006 19:55 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: Portrait Painter in bangor > > > Angharad > > I have an interest in Bangor artists, but although I had seen his name in > trade directories, I know nothing of his work. I researched in some detail > the life and work of landscape artist Joseph Josiah Dodd, who like > Jonathan, > lived (briefly c.1860)at Eldon Terrace(near the top of Glanrafon Hill). I > see in the GFHS Marriage Index that Robert Jonathan married by licence > Anne > Roberts at Bangor Cathedral 19 April 1834 (both single otp). > > I can't see anything about him in Peter Lord's splendid books on Welsh > art. > At NLW Aberystwyth there is a large card index of Welsh portraits which > may > give you some information. > > I'll try to send details of 1841 & 51 tomorrow. > > Regards > > David Price, Bangor > > -----Original Message----- > From: AngharadHolmes@aol.com [mailto:AngharadHolmes@aol.com] > Sent: 26 April 2006 09:25 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Portrait Painter in bangor > > > Hello, > I wonder whether anyone has access to the 1841 and 1851 census for Bangor > and willing to do a look up please? > I am searching for the address of Robert Jonathan, Portrait Painter in > Bangor. According to Slaters he was in Bangor between 1835 and 1856. He > painted > two exceptionally fine half portraits of my Great Great Great Grandparents > in > 1846, and I am interested in finsng out as much about him as I can. > > > > Many thanks for your help > Angharad > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > --

Angharad I have an interest in Bangor artists, but although I had seen his name in trade directories, I know nothing of his work. I researched in some detail the life and work of landscape artist Joseph Josiah Dodd, who like Jonathan, lived (briefly c.1860)at Eldon Terrace(near the top of Glanrafon Hill). I see in the GFHS Marriage Index that Robert Jonathan married by licence Anne Roberts at Bangor Cathedral 19 April 1834 (both single otp). I can't see anything about him in Peter Lord's splendid books on Welsh art. At NLW Aberystwyth there is a large card index of Welsh portraits which may give you some information. I'll try to send details of 1841 & 51 tomorrow. Regards David Price, Bangor -----Original Message----- From: AngharadHolmes@aol.com [mailto:AngharadHolmes@aol.com] Sent: 26 April 2006 09:25 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Portrait Painter in bangor Hello, I wonder whether anyone has access to the 1841 and 1851 census for Bangor and willing to do a look up please? I am searching for the address of Robert Jonathan, Portrait Painter in Bangor. According to Slaters he was in Bangor between 1835 and 1856. He painted two exceptionally fine half portraits of my Great Great Great Grandparents in 1846, and I am interested in finsng out as much about him as I can. Many thanks for your help Angharad ______________________________

Is there sks who has access to the 1851 census who would be able to give me the details for the following. Trying to establish who the parents are of Ellis Williams Ellis Williams abt 1840 Llannor, CAE, Wales Son Denio CAE Ellis Williams abt 1842 Llanddeiniolen, CAE, Waleson Llanddeiniolen CAE Ellis Williams abt 1841 Llandrillo, Denbighshire, Wales Son Llandrillo Ellis Williams abt 1842 Llannor, CAE, Wales Son Llannor CAE Ellis Williams abt 1841 Bedgelant, CAE, Wales Servant Llanrug CAE Michelle Cook Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1889 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hello, That is interesting as a possible wife to Richard ROWLANDS was at Caerhun with her parents (he was the miller) in 1881 census - the second church that you mention here could be very interesting as it mentions the Caerhun community - perhaps this is the marriage - are these records also likely to be at Caernarfon? Yes Martin, the other church does sound like the one where the artist is now. Thanks for the visiting tip Maggie! Again, best wishes and thanks to you both. PETER FAMILY PS 'I wonder if this is the New Church in your link - SH77117355' We have just checked this - yes it does look like it's the artist's church and it actually appears to be on Denbigh side near a rare breed's farm. I think that we should follow up the Siloam Baptist Chapel. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Briscoe [mailto:mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk] Sent: 26 April 2006 22:15 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire There were (at least) two churches/chapels in the centre of the village. The one I mentioned previously (http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/churches/images/conwy/rowen.jpg) which I am sure is still used as church and this one (details from COFLEIN). Siloam Baptist Chapel (Calvinistic Methodist), Rowen Broad Class of Site: Religious, Ritual and Funerary Type of Site: CHAPEL NPRN: 6768 Period: Post Medieval ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Location Map reference: SH77SE Grid reference: SH75977195 Community: Caerhun Council: Conwy Old County: Caernarfonshire ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---- Site Description Chapel founded 1784 and built? 1819; rebuilt/modified 1841/2. Built in the Simple Round-Headed and Vernacular style, short-wall entry type. See Site Files [Ecclesiastical] for photos. Status (1996): other (residential) I wonder if this is the New Church in your link SH77117355 Do a search on COFLEIN. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: peter lister [mailto:peter@lister.plus.com] > Sent: 26 April 2006 21:48 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire > > > Dear Maggie and Martin, > > Thank you very much for your help. We will check the > references - all we have is an elderly relative stating that > a key family marriage took place at Rowen. > > http://www.davidchapmansculpture.co.uk/studiopage.htm > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

There were (at least) two churches/chapels in the centre of the village. The one I mentioned previously (http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/churches/images/conwy/rowen.jpg) which I am sure is still used as church and this one (details from COFLEIN). Siloam Baptist Chapel (Calvinistic Methodist), Rowen Broad Class of Site: Religious, Ritual and Funerary Type of Site: CHAPEL NPRN: 6768 Period: Post Medieval ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Location Map reference: SH77SE Grid reference: SH75977195 Community: Caerhun Council: Conwy Old County: Caernarfonshire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Site Description Chapel founded 1784 and built? 1819; rebuilt/modified 1841/2. Built in the Simple Round-Headed and Vernacular style, short-wall entry type. See Site Files [Ecclesiastical] for photos. Status (1996): other (residential) I wonder if this is the New Church in your link SH77117355 Do a search on COFLEIN. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: peter lister [mailto:peter@lister.plus.com] > Sent: 26 April 2006 21:48 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [CAE] Marriage records for Rowen, Caernarvonshire > > > Dear Maggie and Martin, > > Thank you very much for your help. We will check the > references - all we have is an elderly relative stating that > a key family marriage took place at Rowen. > > http://www.davidchapmansculpture.co.uk/studiopage.htm >