Hi Meirion, You are quite correct of course I should find a relevant old map of the area. I have no idea of the welsh parishes and must admit that I become more confused as the spelling seems to change with each census. Now see that the John Jones I found cannot be mine. Thank you for your help. Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meirion Hughes" <twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > Hi Cherie, > > I hope I can help from a geographical and historical point of view. > > You would be advised to check an atlas for the whereabouts of LLANIESTYN > and LLANYMSTUMDWY. The former is approx. 1 1/2 miles from Sarnmellteyrn in > Lleyn and the other is in Eifionydd, 2 miles from Criccieth, and they are > many miles apart. The latter is renowned for having been the village where > David Lloyd George was brought up at the home of his uncle, his father, a > schoolmaster having died in Manchester, and leaving a widow and young > children. > > There are other people far more knowledgable than I on the history of > LLANNOR. The Rev. Harri Parri of Caernarfon for one and Mr J. Dilwyn > Williams, lecturer in history at Bangor University, of Penygroes for > another. > > I hope that you will eventually find what you are looking for. > > T Meirion Hughes > Resident Historian, > and Welsh Language Editor, > Caernarfon Online, > TMHughes@Cofis.co.uk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CHERIE EVERETT" <cherie.everett@btopenworld.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > > >> Hi David, >> Very many thanks. >> On page 1 is Bodr(v)el Farm as you say, family is headed by Mary Anne >> Evans, plus servants. Next door at Cefn - Mine is Susan Carnegy plus >> family and servants. >> On page 2 schedule 5 is a John Jones, aged 21 years, born >> Llanystumdwy, he is a lodger on later census mine gives his place of >> birth as Llaniestyn - do you think this is the same place? Schedule 10 >> also has "Rhyllachuchaf" head of household John Pritchard, family and >> servants. My John Jones gave his abode as "Rhyllachisaf" at the time of >> his marriage. >> On page 6 I have found one of the witnesses to the marriage Lewis G >> Lewis it is very exciting. >> Thanks again. >> Cherie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> >> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:10 PM >> Subject: RE: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR >> >> >>> Cherie, >>> >>> The only place name in Llannor in the 1861 census with any similarity is >>> Bodrel Farm. This could be it. The occupants were Susan Carnegy, family >>> and >>> servants but no Syda (or Sydney or Sidney) Roberts. >>> >>> The reference is RG9/4330, folio 3, page 1 >>> >>> David >>>

Hi Cherie, I hope I can help from a geographical and historical point of view. You would be advised to check an atlas for the whereabouts of LLANIESTYN and LLANYMSTUMDWY. The former is approx. 1 1/2 miles from Sarnmellteyrn in Lleyn and the other is in Eifionydd, 2 miles from Criccieth, and they are many miles apart. The latter is renowned for having been the village where David Lloyd George was brought up at the home of his uncle, his father, a schoolmaster having died in Manchester, and leaving a widow and young children. There are other people far more knowledgable than I on the history of LLANNOR. The Rev. Harri Parri of Caernarfon for one and Mr J. Dilwyn Williams, lecturer in history at Bangor University, of Penygroes for another. I hope that you will eventually find what you are looking for. T Meirion Hughes Resident Historian, and Welsh Language Editor, Caernarfon Online, TMHughes@Cofis.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHERIE EVERETT" <cherie.everett@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > Hi David, > Very many thanks. > On page 1 is Bodr(v)el Farm as you say, family is headed by Mary Anne > Evans, plus servants. Next door at Cefn - Mine is Susan Carnegy plus > family and servants. > On page 2 schedule 5 is a John Jones, aged 21 years, born Llanystumdwy, > he is a lodger on later census mine gives his place of birth as > Llaniestyn - do you think this is the same place? Schedule 10 also has > "Rhyllachuchaf" head of household John Pritchard, family and servants. My > John Jones gave his abode as "Rhyllachisaf" at the time of his marriage. > On page 6 I have found one of the witnesses to the marriage Lewis G > Lewis it is very exciting. > Thanks again. > Cherie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:10 PM > Subject: RE: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > > >> Cherie, >> >> The only place name in Llannor in the 1861 census with any similarity is >> Bodrel Farm. This could be it. The occupants were Susan Carnegy, family >> and >> servants but no Syda (or Sydney or Sidney) Roberts. >> >> The reference is RG9/4330, folio 3, page 1 >> >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CHERIE EVERETT [mailto:cherie.everett@btopenworld.com] >> Sent: 04 June 2006 12:27 >> To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR >> >> Hi Allen, >> Not yet, on ancestry you have to enter an individuals name it has no >> provision as far as I am aware to find a house. >> Regards >> Cherie >> >> >> >> >>> Have you tried Bodfel Hall ? >>> Allen (Criccieth). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. >> www.llgc.org.uk/ >> holi@llgc.org.uk >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors >> at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta >> rgetid=5429 >> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi Arfor, Will certainly check it out. I struggle with not only the place names but also knowing which areas are missing on the various census. Many thanks Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arfor Jones" <murmurymor@btopenworld.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [CAE]BODVAL HALL, LLANNOR > Hi Cherie, > Bodvel Hall is included in the 1851 and 1871 census. In both of these > Llannor has at least 5 districts but under the 1861 entry only one > district is shown plus, the fact that it is headed "Llannor (part of)" > which suggests that the other districts are not included or are listed > under another parish (which is not uncommon and annoying). > There is a Sydney Roberts aged 10 (1851 census) living in Bodvean which > is one of the adjoining parishes to Llannor. This may be your Sydna > Roberts. > Arfor (Criccieth, North Wales) > >

Hi David, Very many thanks. On page 1 is Bodr(v)el Farm as you say, family is headed by Mary Anne Evans, plus servants. Next door at Cefn - Mine is Susan Carnegy plus family and servants. On page 2 schedule 5 is a John Jones, aged 21 years, born Llanystumdwy, he is a lodger on later census mine gives his place of birth as Llaniestyn - do you think this is the same place? Schedule 10 also has "Rhyllachuchaf" head of household John Pritchard, family and servants. My John Jones gave his abode as "Rhyllachisaf" at the time of his marriage. On page 6 I have found one of the witnesses to the marriage Lewis G Lewis it is very exciting. Thanks again. Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > Cherie, > > The only place name in Llannor in the 1861 census with any similarity is > Bodrel Farm. This could be it. The occupants were Susan Carnegy, family > and > servants but no Syda (or Sydney or Sidney) Roberts. > > The reference is RG9/4330, folio 3, page 1 > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: CHERIE EVERETT [mailto:cherie.everett@btopenworld.com] > Sent: 04 June 2006 12:27 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > > Hi Allen, > Not yet, on ancestry you have to enter an individuals name it has no > provision as far as I am aware to find a house. > Regards > Cherie > > > > >> Have you tried Bodfel Hall ? >> Allen (Criccieth). >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > holi@llgc.org.uk > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Cherie, Bodvel Hall is included in the 1851 and 1871 census. In both of these Llannor has at least 5 districts but under the 1861 entry only one district is shown plus, the fact that it is headed "Llannor (part of)" which suggests that the other districts are not included or are listed under another parish (which is not uncommon and annoying). There is a Sydney Roberts aged 10 (1851 census) living in Bodvean which is one of the adjoining parishes to Llannor. This may be your Sydna Roberts. Arfor (Criccieth, North Wales)

Cherie, The only place name in Llannor in the 1861 census with any similarity is Bodrel Farm. This could be it. The occupants were Susan Carnegy, family and servants but no Syda (or Sydney or Sidney) Roberts. The reference is RG9/4330, folio 3, page 1 David -----Original Message----- From: CHERIE EVERETT [mailto:cherie.everett@btopenworld.com] Sent: 04 June 2006 12:27 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR Hi Allen, Not yet, on ancestry you have to enter an individuals name it has no provision as far as I am aware to find a house. Regards Cherie > Have you tried Bodfel Hall ? > Allen (Criccieth). > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. www.llgc.org.uk/ holi@llgc.org.uk ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

Hi Allen, Not yet, on ancestry you have to enter an individuals name it has no provision as far as I am aware to find a house. Regards Cherie > Have you tried Bodfel Hall ? > Allen (Criccieth). > > > > >

Hi Maggi, Many thanks I at least have a picture of the hall. Perhaps it is missing on the 1861 census I cannot find it. Regards Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: <Blythin1@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > In a message dated 04/06/2006 07:44:08 GMT Standard Time, > cherie.everett@btopenworld.com writes: > > Llannor > > Hello Cherie > Well this is the hall. I wonder if it's missing on the 1861 census. > > > _http://home.earthlink.net/~bbodwell/treepg/Wales.htm_ > (http://home.earthlink.net/~bbodwell/treepg/Wales.htm) > > Kind regards > Maggi (Blythin) > > > >

Cherie Try _www.old-maps.co.uk_ (http://www.old-maps.co.uk) that will show you Llannor; south of Bodvel Hall is Rhyllech - note spelling - to the west of this hamlet is Rhyllech Uchaf the farm which you have mentioned. Good hunting Jude

Have you tried Bodfel Hall ? Allen (Criccieth). ======================================== Message Received: Jun 04 2006, 08:08 AM From: Blythin1@aol.com To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR In a message dated 04/06/2006 07:44:08 GMT Standard Time, cherie.everett@btopenworld.com writes: Llannor Hello Cherie Well this is the hall. I wonder if it's missing on the 1861 census. _http://home.earthlink.net/~bbodwell/treepg/Wales.htm_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~bbodwell/treepg/Wales.htm) Kind regards Maggi (Blythin) ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Can anyone help with the 1861 census information for BODFAL HALL, Llannor please?? I am searching for a Sydna ROBERTS, aged about 20 years, who married a John JONES aged about 21 years on the 14 June 1861 at the Register Office, Pwllheli. On the marriage Sydna gives her residence as BODFAL HALL, Llannor she does not give an occupation but I assume she is a servant. John JONES gives his address as RHYLLACHISAF, Llannor, occupation labourer, I cannot find this address in the 1861 census either. Any help would be gratefully received. Thanks in anticipation. Cherie

In a message dated 04/06/2006 07:44:08 GMT Standard Time, cherie.everett@btopenworld.com writes: Llannor Hello Cherie Well this is the hall. I wonder if it's missing on the 1861 census. _http://home.earthlink.net/~bbodwell/treepg/Wales.htm_ (http://home.earthlink.net/~bbodwell/treepg/Wales.htm) Kind regards Maggi (Blythin)

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1903 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Thanks, Susan, Frances probably born after 1840. I have a photo of 'Cousin Ada' and 'Aunt Frances' but can't be sure the photograph was Frances's neice. If so, the photographer was my Gran - Sophia Grace who was a regular visitor to Criccieth with her daughters, one of whom was my Mum, Mary Sophia. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <WELSH53@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] Mary Thomas b. Portmadoc about 1840 > > > > Mary Thomas b. Portmadoc about 1840. Now Porthmadog. > > > Father John Thomas decd. before wedding, possible younger sister Frances > who had daughter Ada. > > > At first look I cannot find a Frances Thomas born before 1840 with a > father > John living in Caernarvonshire in the 1851 census. > I'll keep looking.... many many Mary Thomas' !!!! > SUSAN > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Mary Thomas b. Portmadoc about 1840. Now Porthmadog. Died aged 73 on 04 May 1913. West Derby Union infirmary. Non-conformist believed Calvinist or Lutheran sympathies. Married Chas Koppermann in Liverpool 1873. kept boarding houses in Toxteth Park mainly for seafarers till the turn of the century Father John Thomas decd. before wedding, possible younger sister Frances who had daughter Ada. Popular family names Mary, Sophia, Ada, Eveline, Grace. Believe Criccieth was the holiday destination for Mary’s children. Help needed with Mary’s early history and family about whom nothing known Mike.

Mary Thomas b. Portmadoc about 1840. Now Porthmadog. Father John Thomas decd. before wedding, possible younger sister Frances who had daughter Ada. At first look I cannot find a Frances Thomas born before 1840 with a father John living in Caernarvonshire in the 1851 census. I'll keep looking.... many many Mary Thomas' !!!! SUSAN

Hi there, I have been away from the list for sometime. I live in Pwlheli, so if anyone has any questions ( ie if a certain building is still there etc) I may be able to help. Is anyone is interested in vintage postcards of Pwllheli /Criicieth and surrounding area's ? E-mail me direct for details. Kindest Regards Margaret

Michelle, I have an Ellis D. Williams born Jan 8 1837, Lanberis, Caernarfon, Wales father David mother Jane; married Ellen born 1838 in Abererch Caermarfon, Ellis died in Ashley, PA USA Ellen died Ashley, Pa, USA, children Owen born DEC 1862, Llanberis married Agnus 1898 David born May 1867 Llanrug married Elizabeth Closs Wilkes-Barre PA USA on Jan 1 1896 Robert born MAy1871 Llanrug Elizabeth born 1874 Llanrug Ellen born Jun 1876 Llanrug Jane born 1877 Llanrug married Thomas abt 1898 Ellis born 1880 Llanrug died Dec 1898 Ashley PA USA William born 1881 Have a little more on this family if this fits who you are looking for. Thelma Pennsylvania, USA

Is there sks who would mind doing a lookup for the following census for me please Michelle Cook 1871 Wales Census Record Census View Image -Name: -Ellis Williams Birth: -abt 1841 - location, Caernarvonshire, Wales Residence: -1871 - city, Caernarvonshire, Wales -1861 Wales Census Record Census View Image -Name: -Ellis Williams Birth: -abt 1841 - location, Caernarvonshire, Wales Residence: -1861 - township, city, Caernarvonshire, Wales - -1861 Wales Census Record Census View Image -Name: -Ellis Williams Birth: -abt 1841 - location, Caernarvonshire, Wales Residence: -1861 - city, Caernarvonshire, Wales Anti virus free. Checked with AVG anti virus software.updated on a regular basis. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello Michelle In 1871 there are 3 Ellis WILLIAMS born 1840,1841 and 1843 living in Caernarfonshire, but only the last 2 born in Caernarfonshire as well. One, a Shoemaker, is married to Mary and has son Robert and the other is an Ag. Lab on his father, Robert's farm. Any good? Regards Maggi (Blythin)