The connection between the tide waiters (customs officials) of Llanegan and Llanddwyn is that Lord Newborough, I think, had interests in both. Penrhyndu, Llanengan, and Llanddwyn both controlled access to good landing points and some local official was needed. A reason for your Highland going over there in 1818 is given by the following memorial inscription in Llanengan church: "William Griffiths late of Llamerin coast waiter at Penrhyndu 33 years died Feb 20 1824 aged 79" So maybe William had had to retire due to ill health or age in or around 1815? Bangor Archives have the Newborough Estate records which I am in the process of enquiring about. Note that you may find your Highland relatives were chapel goers in which case there were a number of chapels in the area too which Caernarfon record office could help with. As English advenae, they were, however, much more likely to be church than chapel. Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hi Kenneth, Thanks for that it's looking like Llanengan is the most likely place to concentrate my efforts. Darren -----Original Message----- From: SKennethHughes@aol.com [mailto:SKennethHughes@aol.com] Sent: 11 June 2006 21:50 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAE] Llanengan Hello Darren Llanengan is near Abersoch on the Lleyn peninsula. Llangwyfan i believe is near Llanddwyn on Anglesey Regards Kenneth Hughes -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006

Maggi, Thanks for that info - I've had another look at the 1851 Census image and Llanengan is looking extremely likely now. Also, I will check out the link supplied. Darren Smith -----Original Message----- From: Blythin1@aol.com [mailto:Blythin1@aol.com] Sent: 11 June 2006 21:45 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] Hello Darren There is info on Llanengan here _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llanengan/index.html_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llanengan/index.html) It certainly looks like Llanengan on the 1851 census and as the children are baptised there I'd say that clinches it ! The Gwynedd List covers Anglesey and Caernarfon. Regards Maggi (Blythin) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006

Hi, LLANENGAN is a parish in the Llyn Peninsula and the holiday village of ABERSOCH is also in the same parish. LLANWYAN is not in the Old County of Gwynedd and appears to be a misspelling. LLANGWYFAN is near the town of Denbigh and LLANWYN I believe is in South Wales. Have you considered LLANDDWYN, which is on the South Easterly tip of Anglesey? At one time in the 19th century, it was where the Caernarfon Life Boat and the Menai Strait Pilots were stationed. Hope this helps, T. Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Smith" <dazza7@supanet.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: [CAE] > Hello everybody, > > I have joined this list to try and discover more about my recently > discovered 4x Gt Grandparents Thomas & Eleanor HIGHLAND. > > Thomas was born c1787 in Romney Marsh, Kent - the reason for his being in > Wales was that he was a member of the Coast Guard & its forerunners. He > presumably married Eleanor at her Parish Church c1817ish. > >>From the 1851 Census of Anglesey Eleanor was recorded as being born c1788 >>in Llanwyan, Caernarvonshire (because this is no doubt the anglicised >>spelling of a Welsh village name and as such I have been unable to locate >>this place. However, could it possibly be either Llangwyfan or Llanwyn? - >>I believe both of which to be in Caernarvonshire). What would have been >>the Parish church covering this/those area(s)? > > According to the IGI 2 of their children were baptised at Llanengan, > Caernarvonshire in 1818 & 1819. Again which church would have covered this > area & is Llanengan near Llanwyan? > > By 1823ish the family were on Anglesey (Cem(m)aes) - but I assume that is > a question for another list? > > If anybody has come across any Highland references or can assist with the > locations and churches - it would be very much appreciated. > > Regards > > Darren Smith > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Ian, Do you have a range of years? Have you found them on any of the census? Arlene > Dear list, > I wonder if anyone can provide any information whatsoever on the above who > married one of my family? His wife was buried in Aberdaron, her > birthplace, but no sign of him. Any information would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours, > Ian > London SW9 > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > --

Hello everybody, I have joined this list to try and discover more about my recently discovered 4x Gt Grandparents Thomas & Eleanor HIGHLAND. Thomas was born c1787 in Romney Marsh, Kent - the reason for his being in Wales was that he was a member of the Coast Guard & its forerunners. He presumably married Eleanor at her Parish Church c1817ish. From the 1851 Census of Anglesey Eleanor was recorded as being born c1788 in Llanwyan, Caernarvonshire (because this is no doubt the anglicised spelling of a Welsh village name and as such I have been unable to locate this place. However, could it possibly be either Llangwyfan or Llanwyn? - I believe both of which to be in Caernarvonshire). What would have been the Parish church covering this/those area(s)? According to the IGI 2 of their children were baptised at Llanengan, Caernarvonshire in 1818 & 1819. Again which church would have covered this area & is Llanengan near Llanwyan? By 1823ish the family were on Anglesey (Cem(m)aes) - but I assume that is a question for another list? If anybody has come across any Highland references or can assist with the locations and churches - it would be very much appreciated. Regards Darren Smith -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006

Hello Darren Llanengan is near Abersoch on the Lleyn peninsula. Llangwyfan i believe is near Llanddwyn on Anglesey Regards Kenneth Hughes

Hello Darren There is info on Llanengan here _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llanengan/index.html_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Llanengan/index.html) It certainly looks like Llanengan on the 1851 census and as the children are baptised there I'd say that clinches it ! The Gwynedd List covers Anglesey and Caernarfon. Regards Maggi (Blythin)

Dear list, I wonder if anyone can provide any information whatsoever on the above who married one of my family? His wife was buried in Aberdaron, her birthplace, but no sign of him. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

I failed to scroll down. DUH!! Arlene > I am looking for information regarding this family.......I had tracked > them > up until 1901 and then lost track of them. I think......Ellen Jane ROBERTS > was working as a domestic servant in and about 1910 in Birkenhead,England > and she was a witness to my Grandmother's wedding to my Grandfather, > Thomas > Hughes in 1910. Then at the time of my Grandmother's death in 1918 she had > been listed as living in Portmadoc, in Caernarvon, Wales. Ellis was listed > as living in Kent, England......and Margaret was listed as living in > Caernarvon, in Portmadoc then in 1918. I have nothing on my Grandmother's > side of what ever happened to the family and know that somewhere's , > perhaps > right in Caernarvon I have living second and third cousins..........can > anyone help me , please....... > Regards, > Lynn > > > > Husband: William Roberts > ================================================================================ > Born: 13 May 1850 - Machynlleth > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Father: Ellis Roberts (Abt 1820-1883) > Mother: Margaret Charles (Abt 1825- ) > Marriage: 25 Dec 1873 Place: > ================================================================================ > Wife: Jane Roberts > ================================================================================ > Born: 1851 - Tremadoc (Portamadoc, )Caernarvon Wales > Christened: > Died: 26 Jul 1921 - Carmel > Buried: > ================================================================================ > Children > ================================================================================ > 1 F Margaret Roberts > Born: 1874 - Portmadoc, Wales > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2 M William Roberts > Born: 1875 - Portamadoc, North Wales > Christened: > Died: - Y > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 3 F Laura Roberts > Born: 1877 - Portamadoc, Caernavaron Wales > Christened: > Died: 19 Oct 1918 - Utica, NY > Cause of Death: Died of Edema of the Lungs Obituary states that Laura died > of > Heart Problem > Buried: > Spouse: Thomas David Hughes (1881-1962) > Marr. Date: 23 Apr 1910 - Birkenhead, England > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 4 M Ellis Roberts > Born: 1878 - Portamadoc, Caernarvon Wales > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 5 F Ellen Jane Roberts > Born: 1 Jan 1880 - Portamadoc, North Wales > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ================================================================================ > General Notes (Husband) > ================================================================================ > > William ROBERTS was born in Machynlleth and came from a family of > Shoemakers, > Drapers, and Tailors. At one point in his life William ROBERTS was a > Tailor.Do > know that in 1910 when his daughter, Laura Roberts, my Grandmother was ma > rried > .....his occupation was listed as a Tailor, although he was also listed as > deceased. > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > --

Lynn, Give us their place of birth and address. It would help make a connection with anyone on line. I have HUGHES and ROBERTS of Llandegai, Llanllechid, and on Anglesey. Many others on list no doubt have both names in their families also. Lots of Ellen Jane Roberts. Arlene Berta > I am looking for information regarding this family.......I had tracked > them > up until 1901 and then lost track of them. I think......Ellen Jane ROBERTS > was working as a domestic servant in and about 1910 in Birkenhead,England > and she was a witness to my Grandmother's wedding to my Grandfather, > Thomas > Hughes in 1910. Then at the time of my Grandmother's death in 1918 she had > been listed as living in Portmadoc, in Caernarvon, Wales. Ellis was listed > as living in Kent, England......and Margaret was listed as living in > Caernarvon, in Portmadoc then in 1918. I have nothing on my Grandmother's > side of what ever happened to the family and know that somewhere's , > perhaps > right in Caernarvon I have living second and third cousins..........can > anyone help me , please....... > Regards, > Lynn > > > > Husband: William Roberts > ================================================================================ > Born: 13 May 1850 - Machynlleth > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Father: Ellis Roberts (Abt 1820-1883) > Mother: Margaret Charles (Abt 1825- ) > Marriage: 25 Dec 1873 Place: > ================================================================================ > Wife: Jane Roberts > ================================================================================ > Born: 1851 - Tremadoc (Portamadoc, )Caernarvon Wales > Christened: > Died: 26 Jul 1921 - Carmel > Buried: > ================================================================================ > Children > ================================================================================ > 1 F Margaret Roberts > Born: 1874 - Portmadoc, Wales > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2 M William Roberts > Born: 1875 - Portamadoc, North Wales > Christened: > Died: - Y > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 3 F Laura Roberts > Born: 1877 - Portamadoc, Caernavaron Wales > Christened: > Died: 19 Oct 1918 - Utica, NY > Cause of Death: Died of Edema of the Lungs Obituary states that Laura died > of > Heart Problem > Buried: > Spouse: Thomas David Hughes (1881-1962) > Marr. Date: 23 Apr 1910 - Birkenhead, England > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 4 M Ellis Roberts > Born: 1878 - Portamadoc, Caernarvon Wales > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 5 F Ellen Jane Roberts > Born: 1 Jan 1880 - Portamadoc, North Wales > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ================================================================================ > General Notes (Husband) > ================================================================================ > > William ROBERTS was born in Machynlleth and came from a family of > Shoemakers, > Drapers, and Tailors. At one point in his life William ROBERTS was a > Tailor.Do > know that in 1910 when his daughter, Laura Roberts, my Grandmother was ma > rried > .....his occupation was listed as a Tailor, although he was also listed as > deceased. > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > --

I am looking for information regarding this family.......I had tracked them up until 1901 and then lost track of them. I think......Ellen Jane ROBERTS was working as a domestic servant in and about 1910 in Birkenhead,England and she was a witness to my Grandmother's wedding to my Grandfather, Thomas Hughes in 1910. Then at the time of my Grandmother's death in 1918 she had been listed as living in Portmadoc, in Caernarvon, Wales. Ellis was listed as living in Kent, England......and Margaret was listed as living in Caernarvon, in Portmadoc then in 1918. I have nothing on my Grandmother's side of what ever happened to the family and know that somewhere's , perhaps right in Caernarvon I have living second and third cousins..........can anyone help me , please....... Regards, Lynn Husband: William Roberts ================================================================================ Born: 13 May 1850 - Machynlleth Christened: Died: Buried: Father: Ellis Roberts (Abt 1820-1883) Mother: Margaret Charles (Abt 1825- ) Marriage: 25 Dec 1873 Place: ================================================================================ Wife: Jane Roberts ================================================================================ Born: 1851 - Tremadoc (Portamadoc, )Caernarvon Wales Christened: Died: 26 Jul 1921 - Carmel Buried: ================================================================================ Children ================================================================================ 1 F Margaret Roberts Born: 1874 - Portmadoc, Wales Christened: Died: Buried: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 M William Roberts Born: 1875 - Portamadoc, North Wales Christened: Died: - Y Buried: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 F Laura Roberts Born: 1877 - Portamadoc, Caernavaron Wales Christened: Died: 19 Oct 1918 - Utica, NY Cause of Death: Died of Edema of the Lungs Obituary states that Laura died of Heart Problem Buried: Spouse: Thomas David Hughes (1881-1962) Marr. Date: 23 Apr 1910 - Birkenhead, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 M Ellis Roberts Born: 1878 - Portamadoc, Caernarvon Wales Christened: Died: Buried: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 F Ellen Jane Roberts Born: 1 Jan 1880 - Portamadoc, North Wales Christened: Died: Buried: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================================ General Notes (Husband) ================================================================================ William ROBERTS was born in Machynlleth and came from a family of Shoemakers, Drapers, and Tailors. At one point in his life William ROBERTS was a Tailor.Do know that in 1910 when his daughter, Laura Roberts, my Grandmother was ma rried .....his occupation was listed as a Tailor, although he was also listed as deceased.

Dear All Edward Jones ( 1768 - 1857) m Mary Humphreys (c1780 - 1865) in Llanarmon in 1814. (Mary was first cousin to bardd Dewi Wyn O Eifion - Dafydd Owen) Edward's family was from Llanfihangel y Pennant and Mary's from Llangybi and Llanystumdwy. Seeking assistance from a fellow researcher on the above couple whose children were:- John 1816 Thomas 1817 William 1818 Catherine 1821 Ann(e) 1823 David 1828 Ann(e) 1830 (Re T Ceiri Griffith) I have a note of most of the children's baptismal records at Brynengan Chapel. The children above, apart from Anne 1823 and Thomas 1817, are shown with surname Edward on the 1841 census at Llecheiddior Ganol farm. I am interested to add to the information above and in what happened to the children and if there were really two children called Ann(e). Any further information, no matter how small or tenuous, would be appreciated. Thank you Jude

Just want to verify that this is the family which you are looking for, so that I might help you find further information. Arlene 1851 census of Wales: Dorothy Edwards abt 1834 Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales Servant Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Catherine Jones abt 1821 Llanfihangel Y Pennant, Caernarvonshire, Wales Daughter Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Edward Jones abt 1768 Llanfihangel Y Pennant, Caernarvonshire, Wales Head Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Jane Jones abt 1847 Llanfihangel Pennant, Caernarvonshire, Wales Granddaughter Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Mary Jones abt 1781 Llanarmon, Caernarvonshire, Wales Wife Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Mary Jones abt 1849 Llanfihangel Pennant, Caernarvonshire, Wales Granddaughter Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Thomas Jones abt 1817 Dolbenmaen, Caernarvonshire, Wales Son Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire Thomas Jones abt 1819 Dolbenmaen, Caernarvonshire, Wales Servant Llanfihangel y Pennant Caernarvonshire > Dear All > > Edward Jones ( 1768 - 1857) m Mary Humphreys (c1780 - 1865) in Llanarmon > in > 1814. (Mary was first cousin to bardd Dewi Wyn O Eifion - Dafydd Owen) > Edward's family was from Llanfihangel y Pennant and Mary's from Llangybi > and > Llanystumdwy. > > Seeking assistance from a fellow researcher on the above couple whose > children were:- > John 1816 Thomas 1817 William 1818 > > Catherine 1821 Ann(e) 1823 David 1828 > > Ann(e) 1830 > > > (Re T Ceiri Griffith) > > I have a note of most of the children's baptismal records at Brynengan > Chapel. The children above, apart from Anne 1823 and Thomas 1817, are > shown with > surname Edward on the 1841 census at Llecheiddior Ganol farm. > > I am interested to add to the information above and in what happened to > the > children and if there were really two children called Ann(e). > > Any further information, no matter how small or tenuous, would be > appreciated. > > Thank you > > Jude > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > --

Dear list, I wonder if anyone knows anything about the Griffiths family of Tan'rallt and Llamerin, Llanegan? There was John (d 1794), his son William (d1824), both customs officials and "tide waiters", and grandson John Griffiths (d 1844). I am wondering if they are related to my ancestor Annie Griffiths of Penycaerau as William had a daughter, Anne, who would fit in terms of dates. I am waiting for the wills from the NLW but any help would be greatly appreciated. Yours sincerely, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

My ggg grandparents, William and Ellin JONES, lived at Llwyn-y-piod, Llandwrog in the 1830s/1840s. William was born about 1791 at Clynnog and Ellin about 1797 at Llandwrog. I have found them in the 1841 and 1851 census. Does anyone have any information on this family. David

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1855 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

In my search for family in Llannor I found out that a part of the 1861 census for that area has been destroyed and therefore hasn't been transcribed on ancestry - Might Bodfel Hall be in that part? Sharon ======================================== Message Received: Jun 04 2006, 08:01 PM From: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #129 Can anyone help with the 1861 census information for BODFAL HALL, Llannor please?? I am searching for a Sydna ROBERTS, aged about 20 years, who married a John JONES aged about 21 years on the 14 June 1861 at the Register Office, Pwllheli. On the marriage Sydna gives her residence as BODFAL HALL, Llannor she does not give an occupation but I assume she is a servant. John JONES gives his address as RHYLLACHISAF, Llannor, occupation labourer, I cannot find this address in the 1861 census either. Any help would be gratefully received. Thanks in anticipation. Cherie ______________________________

Hi Sharon, It would seem to be the case - very frustrating. Thank you for responding. Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon" <pingu@clangers1.fslife.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: [CAE] RE: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #129 > In my search for family in Llannor I found out that a part of the 1861 > census for that area has been destroyed and therefore hasn't been > transcribed on ancestry - Might Bodfel Hall be in that part? > Sharon

Hi Jude, Many thanks. Managed to print a copy after a shaky start. Regards Cherie ----- Original Message ----- From: <FBMonster@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] BODFAL HALL, LLANNOR > Cherie > > Try _www.old-maps.co.uk_ (http://www.old-maps.co.uk) that will show you > Llannor; south of Bodvel Hall is Rhyllech - note spelling - to the west > of this > hamlet is Rhyllech Uchaf the farm which you have mentioned. > > Good hunting > > Jude > >