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My thanks to Alun, Maggie and Gareth for the information about Llandecwyn! I found it on maps. Additionally I found on the Mormon familysearch that the BTs exist for the period 1684-1738 so I should be able to find the birth record I am seeking . Ellis Morgan was married in 1727 so I am hopeful of finding his birth record. You "guys" are great! Thanks, Gwen Connecticut

Repeat of previous message. I have been offline since 9th June and any replies since that date will be lost. Please note my new email address: railton.david@btinternet.com David _____ From: David Railton [mailto:david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 08 June 2006 18:06 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb. com (WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com) Subject: JONES - Llwyn-y-piod, Llandwrog My ggg grandparents, William and Ellin JONES, lived at Llwyn-y-piod, Llandwrog in the 1830s/1840s. William was born about 1791 at Clynnog and Ellin about 1797 at Llandwrog. I have found them in the 1841 and 1851 census. Does anyone have any information on this family. David

Hi Llandecwyn is a small hamlet about 6 miles from Harlech in Gwynedd — go to: _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llandecwyn/index.html_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llandecwyn/index.html) Regards Alun

Try this link, should give map location _http://www.old-maps.co.uk/servlets/DirectMap2?easting=263200&northing=337600& county=10merio491_ (http://www.old-maps.co.uk/servlets/DirectMap2?easting=263200&northing=337600&county=10merio491) Gareth

Hello Gwen It'll be Llandecwyn I expect-this is near Trawsfynydd. Regards Maggi (Blythin)

Dear Listers, I have a marriage record dated 26 December 1727 from the parish of Trawsfynydd. It says that Ellis Morgan of Llandekwyn and Elina William of Trawsfynydd were married. Does anyone have any idea of where Llandekwyn is? Morgan and Elina lived in Dolwyddelan after they married. Perhaps is the name a farm name rather than a parish name? I'd be very grateful for any information! Gwen Cunningham Connecticut gwenny@snet.net

Hi, Thank you for the replies to my query on Captain of Train band ,however due to my computer playing up, I have lost some of the replies so please could someone re forward them to me , Thank you, Tracey _____ From: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: 14 June 2006 15:00 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com Subject: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #139

Tracey You can read those that were posted on the list at Rootsweb Archives. The CAE one is at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE/ Hywyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey" <traceyjones@unwired.com.au> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: [CAE] RE: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #139 > Hi, > > Thank you for the replies to my query on Captain of Train band ,however > due > to my computer playing up, I have lost some of the replies so please could > someone re forward them to me , > > Thank you, > > Tracey > > > > _____ > > From: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: 14 June 2006 15:00 > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #139 > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 11/06/2006 > >

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1902 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

I think my good friend T. Meirion Hughes is forgetting the parish of Trefdraeth in Anglesey! The parish borders on Llangwyfan parish on the coast, as was mentioned in an earlier query. Incidentally, my great-aunt was a housemaid at Trefeilir, Trefdraeth. Regards, David Price, Bangor. (Cofion cynnes, Meirion) -----Original Message----- From: Meirion Hughes [mailto:twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk] Sent: 13 June 2006 09:13 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] Captain of Train Band Hi, I am afraid that I cannot answer your query re Band Train, unless of course, it was the name of the Captain's ship. However, you are mistaken about TREFDRAETH being in Caernarfonshire, North Wales. Were you to put the name into a search engine, (GOOGLE) you would find that it is in North Pembrokeshire, South Wales, and the English name for the place is NEWPORT. Now North Pembroke is next to Carmarthenshire and there could be a clue here. Maybe a County Boundary change has occurred at some time. Not unheard of in Wales. T Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey" <traceyjones@unwired.com.au> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [CAE] Captain of Train Band > Hi, I also have a relative who was a tide waiter and thanks to recent > postings I now know what a tide waiter is which prompts me to ask ,what is > meant by Captain of Band Train which is listed as occupation of the father > of my tidewaiter both are named David Owen and are from > TrefeilirTrefdraeth > Caernarvonshire Wales. Prehaps someone could suggest where it would be > possible to look up these different occupations, > > Regards Tracey in Australia > > , > > _____ > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ______________________________

( for some mysterious reason my first posting of this went direct to Mr Hughes only) Hello Tracey Whilst I do not dispute Mr Hughes' assertion that there is a Trefdraeth in Pembs etc I must point out that there is a parish of that name on Anglesey and the name Trefeilir appears there or thereabouts if you google Trefdraeth +Trefeilir or just Trefdraeth +Anglesey.Note the name Llangwyvan in the Genuki desc of the parish ( this name was bandied about at the begining of the thread I think) Insofar as Train Band is concerned I believe it to be an old military term ( militia etc) and a Google of "train band"+captain bears this out- some results that may be worthy of looking up to find out what it means etc. Hywyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meirion Hughes" <twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Captain of Train Band > Hi, > > I am afraid that I cannot answer your query re Band Train, unless of > course, it was the name of the Captain's ship. However, you are mistaken > about TREFDRAETH being in Caernarfonshire, North Wales. Were you to put > the name into a search engine, (GOOGLE) you would find that it is in North > Pembrokeshire, South Wales, and the English name for the place is NEWPORT. > Now North Pembroke is next to Carmarthenshire and there could be a clue > here. Maybe a County Boundary change has occurred at some time. Not > unheard of in Wales. > > T Meirion Hughes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tracey" <traceyjones@unwired.com.au> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:27 AM > Subject: [CAE] Captain of Train Band > > >> Hi, I also have a relative who was a tide waiter and thanks to recent >> postings I now know what a tide waiter is which prompts me to ask ,what >> is >> meant by Captain of Band Train which is listed as occupation of the >> father >> of my tidewaiter both are named David Owen and are from >> TrefeilirTrefdraeth >> Caernarvonshire Wales. Prehaps someone could suggest where it would be >> possible to look up these different occupations, >> >> Regards Tracey in Australia >> >> , >> >> _____ >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd >> Gwynedd Family History Society's Website >> http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 11/06/2006 > >

Hi, I also have a relative who was a tide waiter and thanks to recent postings I now know what a tide waiter is which prompts me to ask ,what is meant by Captain of Band Train which is listed as occupation of the father of my tidewaiter both are named David Owen and are from TrefeilirTrefdraeth Caernarvonshire Wales. Prehaps someone could suggest where it would be possible to look up these different occupations, Regards Tracey in Australia , _____

Hi, I am afraid that I cannot answer your query re Band Train, unless of course, it was the name of the Captain's ship. However, you are mistaken about TREFDRAETH being in Caernarfonshire, North Wales. Were you to put the name into a search engine, (GOOGLE) you would find that it is in North Pembrokeshire, South Wales, and the English name for the place is NEWPORT. Now North Pembroke is next to Carmarthenshire and there could be a clue here. Maybe a County Boundary change has occurred at some time. Not unheard of in Wales. T Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracey" <traceyjones@unwired.com.au> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:27 AM Subject: [CAE] Captain of Train Band > Hi, I also have a relative who was a tide waiter and thanks to recent > postings I now know what a tide waiter is which prompts me to ask ,what is > meant by Captain of Band Train which is listed as occupation of the father > of my tidewaiter both are named David Owen and are from > TrefeilirTrefdraeth > Caernarvonshire Wales. Prehaps someone could suggest where it would be > possible to look up these different occupations, > > Regards Tracey in Australia > > , > > _____ > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Sorry, the Newborough Estate records are in Caernarfon not Bangor. I am just starting to get into the area of tide waiters, customs and coastguards but I think that they were all one and the same in the early 19th century. Might be wrong, tho. The term "tide waiter" or "coast waiter", I assume, means that the incumbent had to see at high tide whether any ships were coming to shore. John and William Griffiths were farmers of Llamerin, Llanengan and also paid a not-insignificant salary out of the income of Tanrallt farm, Llanengan, for their additional work. They were described as working from Penrhyndu - literally black (or treacherous) prominatory. This is the small peninsula marked on the OS map sticking out from Bwlch Tocyn in Llanengan at the south end of the beach in Abersoch. I don't know - but am in the process of finding out - whether there was a small station of some sort for the winter months or bad weather. I assume that there would have been some sort of look-out point? Yrs, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hello everyone, I am looking for anyone who knew Peter (above). In the 1950s/60s he lived in a cottage called "FRON HELYG" in Llanrug and he married (rather late in life - in his 50s I think) Kitty GRIFFITH(S) from Rhosybol in Anglesey. Kitty was my late husbands (Richard JONES) cousin on his mothers side. After living for a while at Peters cottage, Peter & Kitty eventually went to live in Penysarn, Anglesey in a bungalow called " BRYN ALYN". After Kitty's death Peter moved back to Llanrug. I don't know exactly when Kitty died but probably in the 1970s. Does anyone remember Peter? We used to see him & Kitty whenever we went to Anglesey in the 1960s & 70s but lost touch after we heard that he moved back to Llanrug. Peter didn't speak English very well & he & my husband used to converse in Welsh whenever they met. Peter used to amuse my children with many simple tricks & we thought a lot of him. I would be grateful to hear from anyone who remembers him & knows anything of his family. Many thanks, Brenda.

From what other people have said and those that have also viewed the 1851 Census image Llanengan now look favourite but thanks anyway. Darren Smith -----Original Message----- From: David Price [mailto:davidprice21@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 12 June 2006 16:05 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CAE] Just to add to the confusion. there is LLANGWYFAN, the little church on an island close to the shore near ABERFFRAW, and only a few miles from LLANDDWYN. Regards, David Price, Bangor -----Original Message----- From: Meirion Hughes [mailto:twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk] Sent: 11 June 2006 21:45 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] Hi, LLANENGAN is a parish in the Llyn Peninsula and the holiday village of ABERSOCH is also in the same parish. LLANWYAN is not in the Old County of Gwynedd and appears to be a misspelling. LLANGWYFAN is near the town of Denbigh and LLANWYN I believe is in South Wales. Have you considered LLANDDWYN, which is on the South Easterly tip of Anglesey? At one time in the 19th century, it was where the Caernarfon Life Boat and the Menai Strait Pilots were stationed. Hope this helps, T. Meirion Hughes -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006

I don't know if Thomas was a "Tide Waiter" but I now know that in March 1817 he was paid off from the Revenue Cutter Nimble and transferred to the Preventive Boat Service (Preventive Water Guard), also I have read that members of the Coast Guard were moved from their home location for fear of collusion, etc. Does anybody know if there was/is a Coastguard station at or near Llanengan. I don't know which church/chapel the IGI covers - and Thomas was English but Eleanor was Welsh! Darren Smith -----Original Message----- From: I Thompson [mailto:joscyn@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 June 2006 11:31 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAE] RE: Llanengan tide waiters The connection between the tide waiters (customs officials) of Llanegan and Llanddwyn is that Lord Newborough, I think, had interests in both. Penrhyndu, Llanengan, and Llanddwyn both controlled access to good landing points and some local official was needed. A reason for your Highland going over there in 1818 is given by the following memorial inscription in Llanengan church: "William Griffiths late of Llamerin coast waiter at Penrhyndu 33 years died Feb 20 1824 aged 79" So maybe William had had to retire due to ill health or age in or around 1815? Bangor Archives have the Newborough Estate records which I am in the process of enquiring about. Note that you may find your Highland relatives were chapel goers in which case there were a number of chapels in the area too which Caernarfon record office could help with. As English advenae, they were, however, much more likely to be church than chapel. Yours, Ian London SW9 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006

Just to add to the confusion. there is LLANGWYFAN, the little church on an island close to the shore near ABERFFRAW, and only a few miles from LLANDDWYN. Regards, David Price, Bangor -----Original Message----- From: Meirion Hughes [mailto:twmei@cofis.f9.co.uk] Sent: 11 June 2006 21:45 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] Hi, LLANENGAN is a parish in the Llyn Peninsula and the holiday village of ABERSOCH is also in the same parish. LLANWYAN is not in the Old County of Gwynedd and appears to be a misspelling. LLANGWYFAN is near the town of Denbigh and LLANWYN I believe is in South Wales. Have you considered LLANDDWYN, which is on the South Easterly tip of Anglesey? At one time in the 19th century, it was where the Caernarfon Life Boat and the Menai Strait Pilots were stationed. Hope this helps, T. Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Smith" <dazza7@supanet.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: [CAE] > Hello everybody, > > I have joined this list to try and discover more about my recently > discovered 4x Gt Grandparents Thomas & Eleanor HIGHLAND. > > Thomas was born c1787 in Romney Marsh, Kent - the reason for his being in > Wales was that he was a member of the Coast Guard & its forerunners. He > presumably married Eleanor at her Parish Church c1817ish. > >>From the 1851 Census of Anglesey Eleanor was recorded as being born c1788 >>in Llanwyan, Caernarvonshire (because this is no doubt the anglicised >>spelling of a Welsh village name and as such I have been unable to locate >>this place. However, could it possibly be either Llangwyfan or Llanwyn? - >>I believe both of which to be in Caernarvonshire). What would have been >>the Parish church covering this/those area(s)? > > According to the IGI 2 of their children were baptised at Llanengan, > Caernarvonshire in 1818 & 1819. Again which church would have covered this > area & is Llanengan near Llanwyan? > > By 1823ish the family were on Anglesey (Cem(m)aes) - but I assume that is > a question for another list? > > If anybody has come across any Highland references or can assist with the > locations and churches - it would be very much appreciated. > > Regards > > Darren Smith > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Dear Arlene, Sorry I broke one of the cardinal rules by not supplying any dates! His wife Mary died in 1857 aged 64 and was buried in Aberdaron along with some others of her family from Penycaerau. She was the sister of my gt gt gt gt grandfather Henry Parry of Bodwyddog. I don't have access to Ancestry as yet so any help wd be greatly appreciated. I suppose they may appear on the 1851 census for Nevin? Or he may appear in Nevin memorial inscriptions? Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/