Hi Mark, if they were both Mariners, have you tried Reg Davies excellent Welsh Mariners web site? http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ Even if they are not there, the information given gives an excellent background. Dewi -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:39:59 +0100 Von: "Mark Parry-Jones" <markparryjones@hotmail.com> An: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [CAE] RE: House sales and purchases > Hi Ian, > > Thanks for the reply. I'm still pretty green to all this researching lark > and have mostly been looking in census returns and the BMD indexes. > I've briefly been on the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of Wales > but found them not very 'search friendly'. I'm not sure where I should be > looking or what I should expect TBH. > My immediate problem lies with a certain 'John PARRY' father and 'John > PARRY' son both mariners and both missing of the census returns I have looked > at. I've got a lead in the 1901 census and have the son's marriage cert in > 1894 and Hugh Street, Bangor as his abode. There seems to be a page or > pages missing or something for Hugh Street in the 1891 census which I was > hoping was the JP family home as JP senior was deceased on the 1894 marriage > cert and I don't have a spouse name. I hoped that finding who bought/sold > during these times might shed some light on things, but I'm pretty stuck really > :( > > Thanks again, > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: I Thompson > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:07 AM > Subject: [CAE] RE: House sales and purchases > > Dear Mark, > I assume you have tried the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of > Wales websites which are very helpful? Denbighshire RO also has an online > search engine. > Yours, > Ian > London SW9 > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

Hi Mark, Don't ignore "Lloyd George's Domesday", the survey of all dwellings about 1910. It's not on-line, but it's a fabulous resource - at Kew. Regards Bill G-J In a message dated 24/08/2006 10:37:34 GMT Standard Time, markparryjones@hotmail.com writes: Hi Ian, Thanks for the reply. I'm still pretty green to all this researching lark and have mostly been looking in census returns and the BMD indexes. I've briefly been on the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of Wales but found them not very 'search friendly'. I'm not sure where I should be looking or what I should expect TBH. My immediate problem lies with a certain 'John PARRY' father and 'John PARRY' son both mariners and both missing of the census returns I have looked at. I've got a lead in the 1901 census and have the son's marriage cert in 1894 and Hugh Street, Bangor as his abode. There seems to be a page or pages missing or something for Hugh Street in the 1891 census which I was hoping was the JP family home as JP senior was deceased on the 1894 marriage cert and I don't have a spouse name. I hoped that finding who bought/sold during these times might shed some light on things, but I'm pretty stuck really :( Thanks again, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: I Thompson To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [CAE] RE: House sales and purchases Dear Mark, I assume you have tried the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of Wales websites which are very helpful? Denbighshire RO also has an online search engine. Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911f b2b2e6d ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml Bangor University Archives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks to everyone for the info on cemeteries in Dolwyddelan. I failed to mention the family that I am looking for because I posted a few messages about them some months ago. It is a family that lived at Coetmor for several generations. Their surname changed often, with the basic ancestry of the family going back in time as follows: David Owen was born at Coetmor and christened 16 July 1797. He married Jane Roberts 21 April 1823. They left Wales in 1848 and settled in Cambria, Wisconsin, USA. David Owen's parents were Owen Maurice (buried 10 Nov 1809) and Margaret Jones (buried 11 May 1827). Owen Maurice was born at Coetmor. Owen Maurice's parents were Maurice ap Robert (buried 24 Nov 1787) and Jane (buried 29 June 1787). Maurice ap Robert's parents were Robert Cadwalader (buried 9 Jan 1739) and Margery (buried 14 Dec 1747). Robert Cadwalader was also, I believe, born at Coetmor. One of Robert Cadwalader's other sons, Cadwalader Roberts, married Ann Griffith, and they have a descendency that is well covered on the LDS church website and various other places online. My goal is to find as many of these gravestones as possible to check for additional genealogical information as well as to take photos for personal and family interest. I would be most interested to find someone whose lines link into this family or home to share information. Thanks for the continued help, Michelle Missouri, USA > > ______________________________> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:57:28 EDT > From: WTJ831509@aol.com > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CAE] Dolwyddelan cemeteries > > Hello Michelle > There are two cemeteries in Dolwyddelan. > Gennasaret Chapel is still > standing but has no cemetery attached to it. > Gennasaret opened about 1824 but > was replaced after about 80 years by Bethel chapel. > Many of the gravestones in > the old church have come from local slate quarries, > and being that the slate > was not very good they have deteriorated in the > last few years, but they > have all been recorded. Who are the people you are > trying to find? If you let me > know i may be able to help. > > Bill Jones. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

My immediate problem lies with a certain 'John PARRY' father and 'John PARRY' son both mariners and both missing of the census returns I have looked at. Mark which census returns have you looked at? SUSAN

Hi Ian, Thanks for the reply. I'm still pretty green to all this researching lark and have mostly been looking in census returns and the BMD indexes. I've briefly been on the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of Wales but found them not very 'search friendly'. I'm not sure where I should be looking or what I should expect TBH. My immediate problem lies with a certain 'John PARRY' father and 'John PARRY' son both mariners and both missing of the census returns I have looked at. I've got a lead in the 1901 census and have the son's marriage cert in 1894 and Hugh Street, Bangor as his abode. There seems to be a page or pages missing or something for Hugh Street in the 1891 census which I was hoping was the JP family home as JP senior was deceased on the 1894 marriage cert and I don't have a spouse name. I hoped that finding who bought/sold during these times might shed some light on things, but I'm pretty stuck really :( Thanks again, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: I Thompson To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [CAE] RE: House sales and purchases Dear Mark, I assume you have tried the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of Wales websites which are very helpful? Denbighshire RO also has an online search engine. Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml Bangor University Archives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I have recently completed a f amily history scrap book for my family and I know my husband would love one of his family. His father lived in Llangystennin and I wondered if anyone has picutures of this area that they could share please. Any photos of the local church etc His father lived in Brickfield cottages and if I could obtain a photo of those it would be great. I'd get them myself but it's a long way from New Zealand!! Thank you Joan

I'm off to Glanwydden next week. I'll take some shots of the church and if Dad knows where Brickfield Cottages are / were, I'll take a few more shots for you. I'll send them off list later next week. All the very best, Les Williams Dover Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "P & J Williams" <p-jwilliams@xtra.co.nz> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: [CAE] Images of Llangystennin >I have recently completed a f amily history scrap book for my family and I >know my husband would love one of his family. His father lived in >Llangystennin and I wondered if anyone has picutures of this area that they >could share please. Any photos of the local church etc > His father lived in Brickfield cottages and if I could obtain a photo of > those it would be great. > I'd get them myself but it's a long way from New Zealand!! > > Thank you > > Joan > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dear Mark, I assume you have tried the Gwynedd Archives and National Library of Wales websites which are very helpful? Denbighshire RO also has an online search engine. Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Hello Ron and Joyce There's a marriage registered in Wrexham between a David WHITE and possibly Sarah DAVIES in 1854. Have you looked at Clocaenog baptisms? Regards Maggi (Blythin)

Hello Michelle There are two cemeteries in Dolwyddelan. Gennasaret Chapel is still standing but has no cemetery attached to it. Gennasaret opened about 1824 but was replaced after about 80 years by Bethel chapel. Many of the gravestones in the old church have come from local slate quarries, and being that the slate was not very good they have deteriorated in the last few years, but they have all been recorded. Who are the people you are trying to find? If you let me know i may be able to help. Bill Jones.

Hi Michele, I noticed you've never said(or I've just not seen it) who your famil's name was from Dolwyddelan. How lucky you are to be going there. Jane Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Price" <pricefamily2424@yahoo.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: [CAE] Dolwyddelan cemeteries > Could anyone tell me how many cemeteries there are in > Dolwyddelan? I will be on vacation there next month > and would like to do some searching for gravestones. > I have family members' burial records from the > Dolwyddelan parish church from about 1720-1820, so > would assume that they were buried at the parish > church (I can only hope that the stones from that time > period are still there and readable!). > > After 1820, some of the family became Independents and > attended Gennasaret Chapel. Does that chapel still > exist and have a cemetery? > > Thanks in advance, > Michelle Price > Missouri, USA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Am drafod yr ach trwy'r Gymraeg? Ymunwch a GWREIDDIAU > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GWREIDDIAU.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

St. Gwyddelan's churchyard in Dolwyddelan has been recorded by the Gwynedd Family History Society. Contacts are:- Membership Secretary Ieuwyn@aol.com: Sales gwyndaf@uwclub.net. Regards, Ieuan Williams.

Could anyone tell me how many cemeteries there are in Dolwyddelan? I will be on vacation there next month and would like to do some searching for gravestones. I have family members' burial records from the Dolwyddelan parish church from about 1720-1820, so would assume that they were buried at the parish church (I can only hope that the stones from that time period are still there and readable!). After 1820, some of the family became Independents and attended Gennasaret Chapel. Does that chapel still exist and have a cemetery? Thanks in advance, Michelle Price Missouri, USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I take it that would be a no then :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Parry-Jones" <markparryjones@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [CAE] House sales and purchases! > Hi, > Is there anywhere that I can look online that will tell me who bought,sold > or owned houses around ~1850 - ~1910 ish? > > Thanks > Mark > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

David White managed Bangor's gas works 1878 to 1883. His son, Price Foulkes White (1874-1952) installed Bangor's electricity generating plant in 1900 which he managed until his retirement in 1940. He was also in charge of the gas works from 1906. He was a keen sportsman and played soccer for Tottenham Hotspur, Sheffield United and Leicester City and was selected to play for Wales. His son, [David?] Price White was a Bangor solicitor and for a brief period was an MP, but I think he left Parliament under a bit of a cloud. Regards David Price Bangor. -----Original Message----- From: Ronald Bernard Dodd [mailto:rojoy@orchard52.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 21 August 2006 10:11 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: David White family Hullo We are new to this list and we are looking for rellies or any information on the following David White born 1826 Clocaenog - Denbighshire had known sisters Maria, Harriet, Elizabeth and Frances need to know did he also have a brother Robert born about 1812. David appears on several census,s namely 61,71,81 in Bangor listed as Secretary to the Water and Gas board on all three. He Married Sarah say between 1850/60 who died between 1860/70, he then married Jane Foulkes - Dec quarter 1870 Bangor ref 11b 879 children were Jane.W?, Price F,David Wynne, Ellis F, Would love to hear from any one who might be able to shed some more light on this family - the main connection would be Robert who was my GGGGGrandfather David,s father was Robert and mum was Gwen TIA Ron & Joyce Dodd ______________________________

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1900 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hullo We are new to this list and we are looking for rellies or any information on the following David White born 1826 Clocaenog - Denbighshire had known sisters Maria, Harriet, Elizabeth and Frances need to know did he also have a brother Robert born about 1812. David appears on several census,s namely 61,71,81 in Bangor listed as Secretary to the Water and Gas board on all three. He Married Sarah say between 1850/60 who died between 1860/70, he then married Jane Foulkes - Dec quarter 1870 Bangor ref 11b 879 children were Jane.W?, Price F,David Wynne, Ellis F, Would love to hear from any one who might be able to shed some more light on this family - the main connection would be Robert who was my GGGGGrandfather David,s father was Robert and mum was Gwen TIA Ron & Joyce Dodd

Hi, The transcription of Enumeration District No. 17 (R.G. 12/4661. Folios 94 - 106) of the 1891 census for the Parish of Llanbeblig has now been completed, and can be found in the Census Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi, Is there anywhere that I can look online that will tell me who bought,sold or owned houses around ~1850 - ~1910 ish? Thanks Mark

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