Hello Trevor According to the GRO there are 4 Robert Henry JONES registered in the last Q of 1869. Only one of them is in Wales-registered in Caernarfon. There is one registered in Llanrwst but he's Robert Henry W. On the 1871 census there are 2 matches in Caernarfonshire-one in Bangor the son of Edward and Elin, father's occupation Stevedore and second in Llandwrog is the son of Henry and Ann, occupation tailor and draper. Any clues in that information? Regards Maggi (Blythin)

Trevor In 1871 there are two Robert Henry Jones born 1864 and 1868 both in Denbighshire....there are about 17 Robert H Jones - all born around 1864 - 1870.... Obviously no way of knowing which one is he. Do you know when he emigrated to the USA? A ship's passenger list would show maybe his home address at that time...and his naturalization (if any) papers here in the USA would show much more including I believe parents' names etc. SUSAN Connecticut

Hello Trying to get information concerning a cousin. The name is Robert Henry Jones born 11/17/1869. in Wales Died 01/24/1945 , Los Angeles California. 75 years old at time of death. My mother spoke of him often , they referred to him as Robert Henry. He was a Minister, Dr. of theology, do not know where he was schooled. I have tried many sources and have not been able to confirm the information I have. I did get this information from a State of California source , could not go any further at that location. He might have been the minister for the Los Angeles Welsh church I do not know. I would greatly appreciate any help offered, perhaps someone in California would know of him. Best Trevor

Excuse my dumbness, a search of what card indexes exactly? Yea I have the wife and kids in the 1901 census but the marriage was in 1894 and kids <1897 - 1908>. I was just hoping John PARRY son was living with John PARRY senior in the same house as mentioned on JP son's marriage certificate. I know don't know anything about JP senior, other kids, wife, nowt. :( ----- Original Message ----- From: I Thompson To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [CAE] RE: Parry, Bangor Have you emailed a request for a search of the card indexes to the Gwynedd Archives and to Bangor Archives? They may have other info than that online. E mail addresses are online for Caernarvon and are iss177@bangor.ac.uk or e.w.thomas@bangor.ac.uk for Bangor. Good luck! You still have more chance with the census than any other route. Have you looked for the wife and children together on 1901 and Ancestry.com? This is because the husbands may have always been off at sea or in British ports - Swansea, Liverpool, Bristol and London being firm favourites. There is somewhere a website for mariners in port. Is it referenced in Welshmariners? I think so. Any chance of luck with directories of the time? Ask in Caernarvon and Bangor. Ian London SW9

oops! Sorry should of replied to this one. Been away and trying to catch up. I think Hughes St and Hugh St may be one in the same but I may be wrong Page 32 of the 1891 census RG12/4666 Dist.8 is damaged and you can't see the street name or the numbers but I am guessing that it is the elusive Hugh Street and what do you know, there is a John PARRY there. I'm pretty sure he's not the right one though which is a shame :(. I can find some of the people on the 1901 census in Hugh St who on the 1891 in more or less the same order so safe to say my peeps aren't there in 1891 and arrive sometime before 1901 where I have the wife and very young sprogs. Roll on the 1911 census. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Price To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:11 PM Subject: [CAE] RE: Hugh Street, Bangor Or could it be Hughes Street (off Fountain Street and parallel to Ambrose Street)? David Price Bangor -----Original Message----- From: I Thompson [mailto:joscyn@hotmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2006 09:53 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Hugh Street, Bangor You're sure it's not HIGH Street, Bangor? Ian London SW9

Yup :( ----- Original Message ----- From: I Thompson To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: [CAE] RE: Hugh Street, Bangor You're sure it's not HIGH Street, Bangor? Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________

Dear list, I have just found another root from a cousin of mine in Pwllheli and wonder if anyone knows anything about the family of Ystum or Rystum, Aberdaron? Thomas Jones 1800-1880 was my gt gt gt gt grandfather and I am literally just finding out about him. Yours, IanLondon SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Ian, I think that the John Dilwyn Williams referred to in T. Ceiri Griffiths' book lives in Penygroes and is a member and past secretary of The Historical Society in Penygroes and a native of Llyn. He is a part time lecturer at Bangor and works on Thursdays and Fridays at the Caernarfon Record Office. He has researched many well known families in Llyn and is an authority on the families of some of the estates there. Both he and I took the members of the Caernarfonshire Historical Society on a tour of the town of Caernarfon in May of this year. I would suggest that you contact him at the R.O. 01286 679095 either by phone on a Thursday or Friday or write to him there. Cofion, Meirion ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" <joscyn@hotmail.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: [CAE] John Jones, "gwas" (lad) of Nanhoron - Tan y Bryn, Llanengan > > > > > > > Dear list, > I am hoping someone might be able to help with a conundrum I have relating > to an Evan Jones of Pantgwyn (alias Tan y Bryn), Llanengan who witnessed > the will of my ancestor Griffith Jones, Siop, Penycaerau, in 1844. The > other witnesses I have ruled out as direct relations of Griffith but Evan > I am still interested in as a possible brother. > I am waiting for the relevant wills of Jonesiaid of Tan y Bryn/ Pant Gwyn > but wonder if the whole lot of them relate to the John Jones, "lad" (ie > servant) of Nanhoron who was given the tenancy of Tan Y Bryn at the turn > of the 19th century - around 1800? > Does anyone know any articles or books that may help or is any list member > interested in the same family? TC Griffith - that notablen of Lleyn - has > John Jones in his chart no. 171 and says "teulu John Dilwyn Williams". > Does that mean anything to a member of the list? > Wd appreciate any help as have had to do a lot of detective work in trying > to find out Griffith's earlier connections! I think I may be on to > something BUT... ! > Yours, > Ian > London SW9 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Dear list, I am hoping someone might be able to help with a conundrum I have relating to an Evan Jones of Pantgwyn (alias Tan y Bryn), Llanengan who witnessed the will of my ancestor Griffith Jones, Siop, Penycaerau, in 1844. The other witnesses I have ruled out as direct relations of Griffith but Evan I am still interested in as a possible brother. I am waiting for the relevant wills of Jonesiaid of Tan y Bryn/ Pant Gwyn but wonder if the whole lot of them relate to the John Jones, "lad" (ie servant) of Nanhoron who was given the tenancy of Tan Y Bryn at the turn of the 19th century - around 1800? Does anyone know any articles or books that may help or is any list member interested in the same family? TC Griffith - that notablen of Lleyn - has John Jones in his chart no. 171 and says "teulu John Dilwyn Williams". Does that mean anything to a member of the list? Wd appreciate any help as have had to do a lot of detective work in trying to find out Griffith's earlier connections! I think I may be on to something BUT... ! Yours, Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Or could it be Hughes Street (off Fountain Street and parallel to Ambrose Street)? David Price Bangor -----Original Message----- From: I Thompson [mailto:joscyn@hotmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2006 09:53 To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Hugh Street, Bangor You're sure it's not HIGH Street, Bangor? Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-491 1fb2b2e6d ______________________________

Hello Dick Thank you for your help with locations, I can now give the full addresses of the places I would love photos of. Pen-y-Ffordd Pabo Lane, Llandudno Junction Morfa Cottages, Pen-y-Bont Road Glanwydden, Ll Junction Tan-y-Bryniau Gilfach Road.,Llandudno Junction Perhaps someone knows if these Properties still exist? Joan (NZ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Jones" <rcjones@rmplc.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Photos Llangystennin > At 9:21 am +1200 25/08/06, P & J Williams wrote: > >Hi > >I have just looked at my records and the following were places the > >Williams and Hughes families lived. > >If they are still around I would be very grateful for pictures > >Tan-y-Bryniau , > >Trawsdir > >Morfa Cottages > >Pen-y-Ffordd > >all in Llangystennin or near. > > > >Thank you > > > >Joan (NZ) > > Possibilities are: > > Tan Y Bryniau, Glan Conwy, Colwyn Bay. LL28 5PE > Tan Y Bryniau, Gilfach Rd, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JX > Tan Y Bryniau, Mill Rd, Llanfairfechan. LL33 0TG > Tan Y Bryniau, Old Mill Rd, Dwygyfylchi, Penmaenmawr. LL34 6TE > > Morfa, Glanwydden, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JL > > Penyffordd, Pabo Lane, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JE > > For locations go to StreetMap at http://www.streetmap.co.uk > Select 'Post Code' and enter the postcode. You can zoom out from the > street-map format by clicking midway between the [+] and [-] buttons > at the bottom right to get a 3 km x 3 km section of the local > Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map. > > -- > Regards > Dick Jones Leigh-on-Sea Essex UK > rcjones@rmplc.co.uk > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_a rchive.pl > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Anybody out there researching the Mobley family? Samuel Mobley, born Kent, came to N Wales as a coatguard in the 19th Century (oops, that should have been coastguard!) - initially at Holyhead, later lived in Caernarfon and Bangor. Ended up as a verger at Bangor Cathedral. A daughter was my grandfather's first wife - so I'm not directly related. (I descend from the second wife). There was a lady (Gaynor Hiscocks or similar?) enquiring about the family on another wedsite, but the e-mail given was obsolete. Gwyn Crewe UK

Have you emailed a request for a search of the card indexes to the Gwynedd Archives and to Bangor Archives? They may have other info than that online. E mail addresses are online for Caernarvon and are iss177@bangor.ac.uk or e.w.thomas@bangor.ac.uk for Bangor. Good luck! You still have more chance with the census than any other route. Have you looked for the wife and children together on 1901 and Ancestry.com? This is because the husbands may have always been off at sea or in British ports - Swansea, Liverpool, Bristol and London being firm favourites. There is somewhere a website for mariners in port. Is it referenced in Welshmariners? I think so. Any chance of luck with directories of the time? Ask in Caernarvon and Bangor. Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

You're sure it's not HIGH Street, Bangor? Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Hi I have just looked at my records and the following were places the Williams and Hughes families lived. If they are still around I would be very grateful for pictures Tan-y-Bryniau , Trawsdir Morfa Cottages Pen-y-Ffordd all in Llangystennin or near. Thank you Joan (NZ)

Hi Les Thank you very much - wish we were going. Regards Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "LES WILLIAMS" <les.williams8@btinternet.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] Images of Llangystennin > I'm off to Glanwydden next week. I'll take some shots of the church and if > Dad knows where Brickfield Cottages are / were, I'll take a few more shots > for you. I'll send them off list later next week. > All the very best, > Les Williams > Dover > Kent > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P & J Williams" <p-jwilliams@xtra.co.nz> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:15 PM > Subject: [CAE] Images of Llangystennin > > > >I have recently completed a f amily history scrap book for my family and I > >know my husband would love one of his family. His father lived in > >Llangystennin and I wondered if anyone has picutures of this area that they > >could share please. Any photos of the local church etc > > His father lived in Brickfield cottages and if I could obtain a photo of > > those it would be great. > > I'd get them myself but it's a long way from New Zealand!! > > > > Thank you > > > > Joan > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_a rchive.pl > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

At 9:21 am +1200 25/08/06, P & J Williams wrote: >Hi >I have just looked at my records and the following were places the >Williams and Hughes families lived. >If they are still around I would be very grateful for pictures >Tan-y-Bryniau , >Trawsdir >Morfa Cottages >Pen-y-Ffordd >all in Llangystennin or near. > >Thank you > >Joan (NZ) Possibilities are: Tan Y Bryniau, Glan Conwy, Colwyn Bay. LL28 5PE Tan Y Bryniau, Gilfach Rd, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JX Tan Y Bryniau, Mill Rd, Llanfairfechan. LL33 0TG Tan Y Bryniau, Old Mill Rd, Dwygyfylchi, Penmaenmawr. LL34 6TE Morfa, Glanwydden, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JL Penyffordd, Pabo Lane, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JE For locations go to StreetMap at http://www.streetmap.co.uk Select 'Post Code' and enter the postcode. You can zoom out from the street-map format by clicking midway between the [+] and [-] buttons at the bottom right to get a 3 km x 3 km section of the local Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map. -- Regards Dick Jones Leigh-on-Sea Essex UK rcjones@rmplc.co.uk

At 10:04 am +0100 24/08/06, LES WILLIAMS wrote: >I'm off to Glanwydden next week. I'll take some shots of the church >and if Dad knows where Brickfield Cottages are / were, I'll take a >few more shots for you. I'll send them off list later next week. >All the very best, >Les Williams >Dover >Kent Quite possibly in the vicinity of Brickfield Terrace, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9NG For location enter postcode into Streetmap. -- Regards Dick Jones Leigh-on-Sea Essex UK rcjones@rmplc.co.uk

Hi, The Burgess Roll for 1823 - 1835 has now been transcribed and is online, and can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi Dewi & Susan Thanks for the link Dewi, I've had a look on that site before and there are a couple of John PARRYs on it that could be my guys but finding the concrete links between them is prooving somewhat elusive. I can't even prove that they ARE Welsh or not yet. Family 'word of mouth' is almost impossible and what I have had has been vague to say the least. Susan, Ive tried to look at all the Wales & England available on the ancestry website. I did notice on the mariners site that there was a John PARRY on a boat up in Scotland though and I have never searchem them. I've just gone through the whole of the 1871 England and Wales cesus looking for a 'JP' born 1865 +/-5 with a father 'JP' who was a mariner in the same house and there were only a couple or so. I managed to disprove these as the elder was alive in 1901 census on these occasions. What is interesting is that there was a couple of 'JP's on a boat together in Devon and they hailed from Llandegfan. If they fail I will try to trace every 'JP' born ~1865 +/-5 whos father was not at home in the 1871 census. Back to my orginal idea of looking for house purchases I really don't know what I was expecting there, wills may be the way to go but I'm no wiser how to search for them either. Electoral registers, are these possible do you know? Most of my research is done on the net as it is difficult to get to Archives and alike. The only facts I have to date are (..and bare with me I've never tried to export data before so I'm not sure how this will turn out): John PARRY Name: John PARRY Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From son John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY marriage certificate. Died: Bef. 19 Dec 1894 Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From son John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY marriage certificate. Occupation: 19 Dec 1894, Mariner [DECEASED] Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From son John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY marriage certificate. John PARRY Name: John PARRY Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From son's birth certificate Henry Ivor PARRY. Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From own marriage certificate John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY . Date born: Abt. 1865 Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From own marriage certificate John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY . Died: Bef. 13 Jul 1932 Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From son's marriage certifacte - Henry Ivor PARRY + Sussanh ROBERTS - *father John PARRY [DECEASED]. Occupation 1: 14 Oct 1897, Mariner - Foreign Trade Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From son Ellis PARRY birth certificate. Occupation 2: 19 Dec 1894, Mariner Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From own marriage certificate - John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY . Occupation 3: 05 May 1900, Mariner - Merchant Service Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From daughter Ann PARRY birth certificate. Occupation 4: 01 Dec 1908, Mariner - Merchant Service Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From son Henry Ivor PARRY birth certificate. Occupation 5: 30 Jul 1932, Mariner [DECEASED] Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From son Henry Ivor PARRY + Sussanh ROBERTS marriage certifacte. Residence 1: 14 Oct 1897, 9 Mason Street, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From son Ellis PARRY birth certificate. Residence 2: 19 Dec 1894, Hugh Street, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth PARRY marriage certificate. Residence 3: 05 May 1900, 11 Hugh Street, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From daughter's birth certificate Ann PARRY (who was possibly nance). Residence 4: 31 Mar 1901, 11 Hugh Street, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales 1901 Wales Census, He's not at 11 Hugh Street, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales but his wife and children are. Residence 5: 01 Dec 1908, 13 Club Street, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Certificate of Birth [hard copy], From son's birth certificate Henry Ivor PARRY birth certificate. Marriage of John PARRY and Mary Elizabeth PARRY Marriage: 19 Dec 1894, Cathedral Church, Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales Certificate of Marriage [hard copy], From own marriage certificate - John PARRY + Mary Elizabeth. Hi Mark, if they were both Mariners, have you tried Reg Davies excellent Welsh Mariners web site? http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ Even if they are not there, the information given gives an excellent background. Dewi Mark which census returns have you looked at? SUSAN