Hi Peter & Joan, Glad you got the pictures of Llangwstennin. My Dad used to work at the Aluminium works at Dolgarrog in the late 50s and early 60s. I'm going up to see him again in October, so I'll ask him then. It's always worth the million to one shot!! All the very best, Les Williams Dover ----- Original Message ----- From: "P & J Williams" <p-jwilliams@xtra.co.nz> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [CAE] WILLIAMS - DOLGARROG > Hi to anyone who lived in Dolgarrog many years ago. > We are looking for a family member who had a small holding near the > Llanrwst Road. near Dolgarrog. My husband used to visit as a child and > he is now 70 so anyone around that age might remember, if they were living > near at that time. > > There were 3 children a boy PETER WILLIAMS he would be about 70 now. and > twin girls one we think called Rose. The mother and father were JACK > WILLIAMS and POLLY WILLIAMS. They had a few cattle and poultry and he > worked in the Aluminium works. > > I know this is a one in a million chance but stranger things have happened > in my geealogy research. If you can help at all we should love to har > from you, > > Peter and Joan Williams > New Zealand > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

David JONES, my great great grandfather, was born at Llandwrog in 1832. He lived most of his life at Ffriddnewydd, Ynyscynhiairn with my great great grandmother, Jane Mattew. David and Jane had children, Robert, my great grandfather and Ellinor. Ellinor was born in 1859 and married John JONES. Ellinor and John had children, David, Jane and John, all born at Ynyscynhiairn, between 1892 and 1898. I am looking for descendents who may know something about the family history. David

Hi, The final two surviving burgess rolls have now been transcribed and are online. These are for the Town of Carnarvon, and were compiled for the Michaelmas Dinner of 1828, and the Election of 1831. These can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Thanks Meirion and Jude for the help and info – am spending quite at bit of time at the records office so will look up some info there. Thanks for the web site Jude – will post a few queries on there!!! Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 01/09/2006

Paul Have you tried posting on _www.nantlle.com_ (http://www.nantlle.com) at all?? May be worth a try. A growing Messageboard it has now with interests of the valley and villages. Jude

Hi I am currently involved in researching the history of our house in Talysarn – and have hit a brick wall in tracing back a family that lived here in the 1900’s. On the 1901 census, the following is recorded; No 18 Bryn Derwen Terrace, Talysarn. John Williams. Age 29. Head. Born talysarn. Slate quarry man Catherine Williams. Age 24. Born Talysarn. Arthur Williams. Age 2. Son.Born Talysarn. I cant seem to find the correct John Williams on the 1891 census – though he was no living at Bryn Derwen Terrace then. I believe that the houses at this time were owned by the Coed Madog Slate quarry. Any help would be appreciated. Diolch Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 01/09/2006

Joan, Just back from a few days in Glanwydden. I'll send you the pictures off list. Tan y Bryniau consists of three cottages, numbers 1 & 2 are on the left as you go down Gilfach Hill and No. 3 is on the right. In fact my godmother's daughter lives in number 2. Small world isn't it ! I could find no trace of Trawsdir. I can only assume it was a farm somewhere near Pabo Lane that either no longer exists or changed its name. Dad has no recollection of any "Trawsdir" in or near the Glanwydden / Pydew / Llangwstennin area in his lifetime and he's in his mid 80s. There appears to be only one Morfa Cottage. There has only been one there as far back as I can remember. There is a Pen y Ffordd on Pabo Lane, but it is no longer the end house in the lane as others have been built. Hope the pictures are OK. I'll send them individually in separate emails. All the very best, Les Williams Dover Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: "P & J Williams" <p-jwilliams@xtra.co.nz> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Photos Llangystennin > Hello Dick > Thank you for your help with locations, I can now give the full addresses > of the places I would love photos of. > > Pen-y-Ffordd Pabo Lane, Llandudno Junction > Morfa Cottages, Pen-y-Bont Road Glanwydden, Ll Junction > Tan-y-Bryniau Gilfach Road.,Llandudno Junction > > Perhaps someone knows if these Properties still exist? > Joan (NZ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Jones" <rcjones@rmplc.co.uk> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CAE] Photos Llangystennin > > >> At 9:21 am +1200 25/08/06, P & J Williams wrote: >> >Hi >> >I have just looked at my records and the following were places the >> >Williams and Hughes families lived. >> >If they are still around I would be very grateful for pictures >> >Tan-y-Bryniau , >> >Trawsdir >> >Morfa Cottages >> >Pen-y-Ffordd >> >all in Llangystennin or near. >> > >> >Thank you >> > >> >Joan (NZ) >> >> Possibilities are: >> >> Tan Y Bryniau, Glan Conwy, Colwyn Bay. LL28 5PE >> Tan Y Bryniau, Gilfach Rd, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JX >> Tan Y Bryniau, Mill Rd, Llanfairfechan. LL33 0TG >> Tan Y Bryniau, Old Mill Rd, Dwygyfylchi, Penmaenmawr. LL34 6TE >> >> Morfa, Glanwydden, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JL >> >> Penyffordd, Pabo Lane, Llandudno Junction. LL31 9JE >> >> For locations go to StreetMap at http://www.streetmap.co.uk >> Select 'Post Code' and enter the postcode. You can zoom out from the >> street-map format by clicking midway between the [+] and [-] buttons >> at the bottom right to get a 3 km x 3 km section of the local >> Ordnance Survey 1:50,000 Landranger map. >> >> -- >> Regards >> Dick Jones Leigh-on-Sea Essex UK >> rcjones@rmplc.co.uk >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive >> > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_a > rchive.pl >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Thank you So much all you who have helped me with Gaynor Roberts' family. She and her mother have become even more interesting!!! Eleri ----- Original Message ----- From: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-D Digest V06 #188

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1890 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi Eleri, In the 1841 census of Llanllyfni the following are listed living in Ty Newydd: Catherine Morris, 30, born in county Richard Morris, 14, quarryman, born in county Robert Morris, 12, born in county Catherine Morris, 9, born in county Gaynor Morris, 8, born in county It looks as if your Catherine was either widowed at a young age or was not married. To find this out you would need to see the Parish Records at Llanllyfni or copies at the Caernarfon Record Office. Regards, Arfor (Criccieth, North Wales)

Hello Eleri When women were widowed they sometimes reverted to their maiden name. Regards Maggi (Blythin)

Hello Maggi You know way back in my memory bank the tailor thing does ring a bell. I do remember my mother speaking of the tailor in the family. My Grandmother on my mothers side was the sister of his mother, the surname was Davies and the family was from around Llanaelhaern. My Grandmothers name was Jane Davies , she married John Roberts Griffiths. Richard Davies and Sarah Roberts were Jane's parents therefore the parents of Robert Henry Jones mother. In the 1851 census , Richard Davies , Sarah Davies Richard born Llanaelhaearn,Sarah Tydweiliog, Richard 33, Sarah 36, Children , Elizabeth 13, Richard 11, William 9, Anne 8, Mary, 5, Sarah 3 Cadwalader 1. Perhaps this info will be helpful. Best Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: <Blythin1@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Family > Hello Trevor > According to the GRO there are 4 Robert Henry JONES registered in the last > Q > of 1869. Only one of them is in Wales-registered in Caernarfon. There > is > one registered in Llanrwst but he's Robert Henry W. > On the 1871 census there are 2 matches in Caernarfonshire-one in Bangor > the > son of Edward and Elin, father's occupation Stevedore and second in > Llandwrog > is the son of Henry and Ann, occupation tailor and draper. Any clues in > that information? > Regards > Maggi (Blythin) > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwefan Cymdeithas Hanes Teuluoedd Gwynedd > Gwynedd Family History Society's Website > http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Rev Robert H Jones appears on the 1930 US Census aged 60 both his parents were born in Wales and his work is described as a preacher. He emigrated to the US in 1890 He is with his wife Margaret 53 years old born Wisconsin, both of her parents were born in Wales.Robert was aged 29 and Margaret 22 when they were first married. They have four children living with them Elmer L ab (23), R Everett (21), Emlyn (19)and Elizabeth (16) I have sent you a link to the original census image off list. All the best Alwyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trevor Evans Sr > To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:18 AM > Subject: [CAE] Family > > > Hello > > Trying to get information concerning a cousin. > > The name is Robert Henry Jones born 11/17/1869. in Wales > > Died 01/24/1945 , Los Angeles California. 75 years old at time of death. > > My mother spoke of him often , they referred to him as Robert Henry. > > He was a Minister, Dr. of theology, do not know where he was schooled. > > I have tried many sources and have not been able to confirm the information > I have. I did get this information from a State of California source , could > not go any further at that location. > > He might have been the minister for the Los Angeles Welsh church I do not > know. > > I would greatly appreciate any help offered, perhaps someone in California > would know of him. > > Best > Trevor >

Susan His name appears in the 1930 census. Now that I see that he had two sons I will try to trace them. Thank you so very much Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: <WELSH53@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] Family > Trevor > In 1871 there are two Robert Henry Jones born 1864 and 1868 both in > Denbighshire....there are about 17 Robert H Jones - all born around > 1864 - 1870.... > Obviously no way of knowing which one is he. > > Do you know when he emigrated to the USA? A ship's passenger list would > show > maybe his home address at that time...and his naturalization (if any) > papers > here in the USA would show much more including I believe parents' names > etc. > > SUSAN > Connecticut > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Diolch Susan His mother would be a Davies , the family would be around Llanaelhaern ,that is the mothers family, the men in the family are mostly blacksmiths. Best Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: <WELSH53@aol.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] Family > Trevor > In 1871 there are two Robert Henry Jones born 1864 and 1868 both in > Denbighshire....there are about 17 Robert H Jones - all born around > 1864 - 1870.... > Obviously no way of knowing which one is he. > > Do you know when he emigrated to the USA? A ship's passenger list would > show > maybe his home address at that time...and his naturalization (if any) > papers > here in the USA would show much more including I believe parents' names > etc. > > SUSAN > Connecticut > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello Hywyn Diolch , I will write more later have not gone to the site as yet. Thanks much Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hywyn" <nywyh@172rd.fsnet.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Family > Hello Trevor > > See this site and it's link to the Welsh Presbyterian Church in LA. He's > mentioned in the first link. They have a guest book, e mail etc. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vtwags/ChurchRestoration.html > > Hywyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trevor Evans Sr" <tevanssr@woh.rr.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:18 AM > Subject: [CAE] Family > > >> Hello >> >> Trying to get information concerning a cousin. >> >> The name is Robert Henry Jones born 11/17/1869. in Wales >> >> Died 01/24/1945 , Los Angeles California. 75 years old at time of death. >> >> My mother spoke of him often , they referred to him as Robert Henry. >> >> He was a Minister, Dr. of theology, do not know where he was schooled. >> >> I have tried many sources and have not been able to confirm the >> information I have. I did get this information from a State of California >> source , could not go any further at that location. >> >> He might have been the minister for the Los Angeles Welsh church I do not >> know. >> >> I would greatly appreciate any help offered, perhaps someone in >> California would know of him. >> >> Best >> >> Trevor >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > holi@llgc.org.uk > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Searching for Gaynor Roberts born 1835 in Llanllyfni parish on the 1841 census. I would like to know who her father was. On the 1851 census her mother, a widow, is called Catherine Morris!! Thanks Eleri

Hello Trevor See this site and it's link to the Welsh Presbyterian Church in LA. He's mentioned in the first link. They have a guest book, e mail etc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vtwags/ChurchRestoration.html Hywyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Evans Sr" <tevanssr@woh.rr.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: [CAE] Family > Hello > > Trying to get information concerning a cousin. > > The name is Robert Henry Jones born 11/17/1869. in Wales > > Died 01/24/1945 , Los Angeles California. 75 years old at time of death. > > My mother spoke of him often , they referred to him as Robert Henry. > > He was a Minister, Dr. of theology, do not know where he was schooled. > > I have tried many sources and have not been able to confirm the > information I have. I did get this information from a State of California > source , could not go any further at that location. > > He might have been the minister for the Los Angeles Welsh church I do not > know. > > I would greatly appreciate any help offered, perhaps someone in California > would know of him. > > Best > > Trevor > >

If I had an enquiry regarding a specific person at a relatively specific date in a location, I would email or visit Gwynedd Archives in Caernarfon and Bangor Archives in the University College of Wales, Bangor, Library to ask if they had any information in their card indexes. These supplement to some extent what is available on line on the Gwynedd Archives website and the Melville Richards Archive (the only searchable *general* database of Bangor's archives that I know apart from its catalgoue class descriptions on archiveshub - rather like the introductions to volumes of an encyclopaedia... not incredibly useful in themselves). Directories might be incredibly useful, listing other addresses or family members. Equally, they may not be useful at all! Census and BMD registration remain the mainstay of research around this time but are not made easy in N Wales owing to the profusion of Jones &c. (and the number of properties called Ty Ucha, &c). Bangor Archives particularly has a lot of information relating to different trades and groups. Caernarfon has too and it is worth looking through their website and Archiveshub. We forget how mobile people were in 1890+. The number of Welsh people in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle and London is large. As well as this, people were mobile around their own locales, staying with relatives or friends, not to mention sailors and early pioneers of travelling abroad for pleasure. Hope that is useful. Ian London SW9 _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d

Trevor I was looking for a Robert Jones previously - no relation though :( England & Wales, Birth Index: 1837-1983 > 1869 > Q4-Oct-Nov-Dec > J [page254] Name, District, Volume, Page. Robert Henry JONES, W.Derby, 8b, 451 Robert Henry JONES, W.Derby, 8b, 418 Robert Henry JONES, Caernarvon, 8b, 473 There's a few more (25) plain old 'Robert JONES' Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Evans Sr To: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: [CAE] Family Hello Trying to get information concerning a cousin. The name is Robert Henry Jones born 11/17/1869. in Wales Died 01/24/1945 , Los Angeles California. 75 years old at time of death. My mother spoke of him often , they referred to him as Robert Henry. He was a Minister, Dr. of theology, do not know where he was schooled. I have tried many sources and have not been able to confirm the information I have. I did get this information from a State of California source , could not go any further at that location. He might have been the minister for the Los Angeles Welsh church I do not know. I would greatly appreciate any help offered, perhaps someone in California would know of him. Best Trevor