Thank you so much both for helping me. I did have them on the 1881 but the 1871 and 1891 had eluded me. Anyone have the 1871? I'm being greedy now !!! Thank you again Eleri ----- Original Message ----- From: <wls-caernarfonshire-request@rootsweb.com> To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1891 census (Eleri Rowlands) > 2. Re: 1891 census (Mark Parry-Jones) > 3. Re: 1891 census (Mark Parry-Jones) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:59:45 +0100 > From: "Eleri Rowlands" <eleri.rowlands@ntlworld.com> > Subject: [CAE] 1891 census > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000e01c6f2c6$0e1bb0e0$57c20e52@gwyn4a706be217> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Please can anyone help me find ROBERT THOMAS and his wife GAYNOR on the > 1891 census. > > I have the family on the 1901 census in Abergwyngregin. But Robert had > died by then. > The family lived for years in Glanmorfa, Llanbeblig, under Pont Seiont, > Caernarfon. So I'm not sure where they lived in 1891 nor whether Robert > was alive. It may be easier to find Gaynor who was born in Llanbeblig. She > could have the children, Catherine A, Richard, Thomas H, John and Gaynor > with her. > Thanks > Eleri > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:01:07 +0100 > From: "Mark Parry-Jones" <markparryjones@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CAE] 1891 census > To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV57D495304F8E4DFB21A98CF0F0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Do you have them is the 1881 Census? > > Found these in the 1881 > > Name: Gaynor Thomas > Age: 46 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's name: Robert > Gender: Female > Where born: Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales > Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales > Street address: Glan Morfa > Condition as to marriage: Married > > Name: Robert Thomas Age: 46 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 > Relation: Head > Spouse's name: Gaynor > Gender: Male > Where born: Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales > Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales > Street address: Glan Morfa > Condition as to marriage: Married > > Household Members: > > Catherine A Thomas 5 > Evan Thomas 18 > Griffith Thomas 7 > John Thomas 9 > Richard Thomas 20 > Thomas H Thomas 1 > > but could only find an Gaynor Thomas 'Inmate' in 1891 :( > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eleri Rowlands" <eleri.rowlands@ntlworld.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [CAE] 1891 census > > >> Please can anyone help me find ROBERT THOMAS and his wife GAYNOR on the >> 1891 census. >> >> I have the family on the 1901 census in Abergwyngregin. But Robert had >> died by then. >> The family lived for years in Glanmorfa, Llanbeblig, under Pont Seiont, >> Caernarfon. So I'm not sure where they lived in 1891 nor whether Robert >> was alive. It may be easier to find Gaynor who was born in Llanbeblig. >> She >> could have the children, Catherine A, Richard, Thomas H, John and Gaynor >> with her. >> Thanks >> Eleri >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:19 +0100 > From: "Mark Parry-Jones" <markparryjones@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CAE] 1891 census > To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV24E02FBE681A1E63385C9DCF0F0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Eleri, > > Success, still in Aber, it was the spouse name of Gregor that got me ha > ha. > > Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4667; Folio 119; Page 5; GSU roll: > 6099777. > UK Census Collection >1891 Wales Census > Caernarvonshire > Aber > > District > 16 > > Name: Robert Thomas > Age: 50 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 > Relation: Head > Spouse's name: Gregor > Gender: Male > Where born: Llanllyfni, Caernarvonshire, Wales > Civil Parish: Aber > Ecclesiastical parish: Aber > Town: Aber > County/Island: Caernarvonshire > Country: Wales > > Name: Gregor Thomas > Age: 56 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's name: Robert > Gender: Female > Where born: Llanllyfni, > Caernarvonshire, Wales > > Other household members > > Catherine Ann Thomas 15 > Gregor Thomas 56 > Griffith Thomas 17 > John Thomas 19 > Morris Thomas 26 > Richard Thomas 30 > Robert Thomas 50 > Thomas H Thomas 12 > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Parry-Jones" <markparryjones@hotmail.com> > To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [CAE] 1891 census > > >> Do you have them is the 1881 Census? >> >> Found these in the 1881 >> >> Name: Gaynor Thomas >> Age: 46 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 >> Relation: Wife >> Spouse's name: Robert >> Gender: Female >> Where born: Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales >> Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales >> Street address: Glan Morfa >> Condition as to marriage: Married >> >> Name: Robert Thomas Age: 46 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 >> Relation: Head >> Spouse's name: Gaynor >> Gender: Male >> Where born: Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales >> Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales >> Street address: Glan Morfa >> Condition as to marriage: Married >> >> Household Members: >> >> Catherine A Thomas 5 >> Evan Thomas 18 >> Griffith Thomas 7 >> John Thomas 9 >> Richard Thomas 20 >> Thomas H Thomas 1 >> >> but could only find an Gaynor Thomas 'Inmate' in 1891 :( >> >> Mark >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eleri Rowlands" <eleri.rowlands@ntlworld.com> >> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:59 PM >> Subject: [CAE] 1891 census >> >> >>> Please can anyone help me find ROBERT THOMAS and his wife GAYNOR on the >>> 1891 census. >>> >>> I have the family on the 1901 census in Abergwyngregin. But Robert had >>> died by then. >>> The family lived for years in Glanmorfa, Llanbeblig, under Pont Seiont, >>> Caernarfon. So I'm not sure where they lived in 1891 nor whether Robert >>> was alive. It may be easier to find Gaynor who was born in Llanbeblig. >>> She >>> could have the children, Catherine A, Richard, Thomas H, John and Gaynor >>> with her. >>> Thanks >>> Eleri >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE mailing list, send an email > to WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Digest, Vol 1, Issue 11 > ************************************************** >

Thanks, yes that looks like their footprints. There was a pipe from Caernarfon to there apparently. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Arfor Jones Sent: 19 October 2006 11:18 To: Caernarfonshire List Subject: Re: [CAE] Griffith's Crossing. Hi Martin, Try http://local.live.com/ and navigate with the + sign and aerial photos to North Wales, Caernarfon and follow the Bangor road and you will see the old Ferrodo factory quite clearly and next to that towards Bangor is the Griffith's Crossing Industrial Estate. If you zoom in close enough you will see circular grassy areas within the estate. Could these have been your wartime underground storage tanks? Arfor (Criccieth, North Wales)

Hi Martin, Try http://local.live.com/ and navigate with the + sign and aerial photos to North Wales, Caernarfon and follow the Bangor road and you will see the old Ferrodo factory quite clearly and next to that towards Bangor is the Griffith's Crossing Industrial Estate. If you zoom in close enough you will see circular grassy areas within the estate. Could these have been your wartime underground storage tanks? Arfor (Criccieth, North Wales)

Or alternatively go to www.old-maps.co.uk Then enter 250412,365735 into the search box and click on 'co-ordinates then 'search' and you'll see it named! You might need to zoom in to see it a bit more clearly. Ian J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Jolly" <EnlliFH@uax.org.uk> To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Griffith's Crossing > Hi > > Go to > www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.161&lon=-4.245&scale=25000&icon=x > > and it is the area marked 'Works' just to the south of Plas Menai outdoor > centre. > > Ian Jolly > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> > To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:43 AM > Subject: [CAE] Griffith's Crossing > > >>I wonder if I tap into some local knowledge please. >> >> Can someone tell me where is Griffith's Crossing near Caernarfon. I think >> it must be around Plas Menai / Ferodo but can't find on the map. I was >> reading that there were underground fuel tanks there during WWII and >> wondering where they might have been. >> >> >> Martin Briscoe >> Fort William >> M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS >

Hi Go to www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=53.161&lon=-4.245&scale=25000&icon=x and it is the area marked 'Works' just to the south of Plas Menai outdoor centre. Ian Jolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Briscoe" <mbriscoe@zetnet.co.uk> To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: [CAE] Griffith's Crossing >I wonder if I tap into some local knowledge please. > > Can someone tell me where is Griffith's Crossing near Caernarfon. I think > it must be around Plas Menai / Ferodo but can't find on the map. I was > reading that there were underground fuel tanks there during WWII and > wondering where they might have been. > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- > This email has been verified as Virus free > Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/484 - Release Date: 19/10/2006 > >

I wonder if I tap into some local knowledge please. Can someone tell me where is Griffith's Crossing near Caernarfon. I think it must be around Plas Menai / Ferodo but can't find on the map. I was reading that there were underground fuel tanks there during WWII and wondering where they might have been. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Eleri, Success, still in Aber, it was the spouse name of Gregor that got me ha ha. Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4667; Folio 119; Page 5; GSU roll: 6099777. UK Census Collection >1891 Wales Census > Caernarvonshire > Aber > District 16 Name: Robert Thomas Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Gregor Gender: Male Where born: Llanllyfni, Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Aber Ecclesiastical parish: Aber Town: Aber County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Name: Gregor Thomas Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Llanllyfni, Caernarvonshire, Wales Other household members Catherine Ann Thomas 15 Gregor Thomas 56 Griffith Thomas 17 John Thomas 19 Morris Thomas 26 Richard Thomas 30 Robert Thomas 50 Thomas H Thomas 12 Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Parry-Jones" <markparryjones@hotmail.com> To: <wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] 1891 census > Do you have them is the 1881 Census? > > Found these in the 1881 > > Name: Gaynor Thomas > Age: 46 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's name: Robert > Gender: Female > Where born: Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales > Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales > Street address: Glan Morfa > Condition as to marriage: Married > > Name: Robert Thomas Age: 46 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 > Relation: Head > Spouse's name: Gaynor > Gender: Male > Where born: Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales > Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales > Street address: Glan Morfa > Condition as to marriage: Married > > Household Members: > > Catherine A Thomas 5 > Evan Thomas 18 > Griffith Thomas 7 > John Thomas 9 > Richard Thomas 20 > Thomas H Thomas 1 > > but could only find an Gaynor Thomas 'Inmate' in 1891 :( > > Mark > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eleri Rowlands" <eleri.rowlands@ntlworld.com> > To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:59 PM > Subject: [CAE] 1891 census > > >> Please can anyone help me find ROBERT THOMAS and his wife GAYNOR on the >> 1891 census. >> >> I have the family on the 1901 census in Abergwyngregin. But Robert had >> died by then. >> The family lived for years in Glanmorfa, Llanbeblig, under Pont Seiont, >> Caernarfon. So I'm not sure where they lived in 1891 nor whether Robert >> was alive. It may be easier to find Gaynor who was born in Llanbeblig. >> She >> could have the children, Catherine A, Richard, Thomas H, John and Gaynor >> with her. >> Thanks >> Eleri >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do you have them is the 1881 Census? Found these in the 1881 Name: Gaynor Thomas Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Robert Gender: Female Where born: Llanbeblig, Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Street address: Glan Morfa Condition as to marriage: Married Name: Robert Thomas Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Gaynor Gender: Male Where born: Llangybi, Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanbeblig County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Street address: Glan Morfa Condition as to marriage: Married Household Members: Catherine A Thomas 5 Evan Thomas 18 Griffith Thomas 7 John Thomas 9 Richard Thomas 20 Thomas H Thomas 1 but could only find an Gaynor Thomas 'Inmate' in 1891 :( Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleri Rowlands" <eleri.rowlands@ntlworld.com> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:59 PM Subject: [CAE] 1891 census > Please can anyone help me find ROBERT THOMAS and his wife GAYNOR on the > 1891 census. > > I have the family on the 1901 census in Abergwyngregin. But Robert had > died by then. > The family lived for years in Glanmorfa, Llanbeblig, under Pont Seiont, > Caernarfon. So I'm not sure where they lived in 1891 nor whether Robert > was alive. It may be easier to find Gaynor who was born in Llanbeblig. She > could have the children, Catherine A, Richard, Thomas H, John and Gaynor > with her. > Thanks > Eleri > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please can anyone help me find ROBERT THOMAS and his wife GAYNOR on the 1891 census. I have the family on the 1901 census in Abergwyngregin. But Robert had died by then. The family lived for years in Glanmorfa, Llanbeblig, under Pont Seiont, Caernarfon. So I'm not sure where they lived in 1891 nor whether Robert was alive. It may be easier to find Gaynor who was born in Llanbeblig. She could have the children, Catherine A, Richard, Thomas H, John and Gaynor with her. Thanks Eleri

Many thanks for the information, Martin Pat -----Original Message----- From: wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Briscoe Sent: 15 October 2006 20:04 To: wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] 1841 census Is this them 1841 Wales Census Record about Hugh Griffith Name: Hugh Griffith Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llan llechid Hundred: Uchaf County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Source information: HO107/1396/8 Registration district: Bangor and Beaumaris Sub-registration district: Llanllechid ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 51 Page: 15 Line number: 13 GSU Number: 464317 Hugh Griffith 30 Farmer Y Jane 25 - Y Giffith 4 - Y Henry 3 - Y John 1 - Y Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Is this them 1841 Wales Census Record about Hugh Griffith Name: Hugh Griffith Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Caernarvonshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llan llechid Hundred: Uchaf County/Island: Caernarvonshire Country: Wales Source information: HO107/1396/8 Registration district: Bangor and Beaumaris Sub-registration district: Llanllechid ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 51 Page: 15 Line number: 13 GSU Number: 464317 Hugh Griffith 30 Farmer Y Jane 25 - Y Giffith 4 - Y Henry 3 - Y John 1 - Y Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS -----Original Message----- From: wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat & Bill Chapman Sent: 15 October 2006 14:20 To: wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] 1841 census Hi Maggi Thanks for the offer. I am looking for Huw and Jane Griffith (and family) at Llwynpenddu isaf and also Dafydd Griffith and his wife, also Jane, I think at Llwynpenddu Uchaf. Both farms are in Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire. Do you need any more information than that? Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Blythin1@aol.com Sent: 15 October 2006 08:03 To: wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] 1841 census Hello Pat What do you need? Regards Maggi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Pat Will send off list Regards Maggi

Hi Maggi Thanks for the offer. I am looking for Huw and Jane Griffith (and family) at Llwynpenddu isaf and also Dafydd Griffith and his wife, also Jane, I think at Llwynpenddu Uchaf. Both farms are in Llanllechid, Caernarvonshire. Do you need any more information than that? Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:wls-caernarfonshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Blythin1@aol.com Sent: 15 October 2006 08:03 To: wls-caernarfonshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CAE] 1841 census Hello Pat What do you need? Regards Maggi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will do a look up for you Pat. What do you want? Pat Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Bill Chapman" <pat@pat24.freeserve.co.uk> To: <WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: [CAE] 1841 census > Does anyone out there have access to the 1841 census and would be willing > to > do a look up. Please. > > > > Pat Chapman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone out there have access to the 1841 census and would be willing to do a look up. Please. Pat Chapman

Hello Pat What do you need? Regards Maggi

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1897 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi, Cope's Directory for 1935 has been completed and is now available at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1895 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi, News snippets from the Carnarvon & Denbigh Herald for 1891 have now been added to the "News Room" & "Traders' Obituaries," which can be found in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.