CHARLES WALKER was born 1814 in Lichfield, Stafford, England, died after 1881 British Census in Abererch, Caernarvon, Wales. He married CATHERINE HALL January 11, 1838 in Rugely, Stafford, Eng., daughter of ISAAC HALL and HANNAH PRICE. She was born 1821 in Denio, Caernarvon, Wales per 1881 census, and died after 1881 British Census in Abererch, Caernarvon, Wales. Notes for CHARLES WALKER: According to the 1881 Census, Charles and Catherine were living at (Dwelling) AberAberch Rd. Westfield, Aberech, Caernarvon, Wales. Most likely had boys who had already left home at time of census. Charles and Catherine both listed as Controller Post Office Superannuated. Charles was chistened on Sept. 4, 1814 at the Bethesda Chapel Albion Street-Methodist New Connexion, Shelton, Stafford, England, per the LDS. Children of CHARLES WALKER and CATHERINE HALL are: i. MATILDA3 WALKER, b. January 23, 1839, bapt. St. Mary's, Lichfield, Stafford, England. ii. CHARLOTTE HANNAH WALKER, b. June 1847, Liverpool ,Lancashire, England; d. In Liverpool at 1881 British Census. iii. MARY WALKER, b. 1857, Liverpool ,Lancashire, England; m. GEORGE JAMISON; b. 1843, Dundee, Scotland; d. 1891 census lists him as Admirally Surveyor First Class. 1891 they are living/staying with Mary's parents Charles and Catherine Walker. iv. CATHERINE WALKER, b. April 08, 1840, Litchfield, Stafford, Eng bapt St. Mary's. v. CHARLES J. WALKER, b. Lancaster, Everton. vi. ALFRED E. WALKER, b. Lancaster, Liverpool, Eng. This is from the 1851 Census Walker Alfred E. - Lan. Liverpool 240 2182/2 Walker Catheraine - CAE Pwllheli 240 2182/2 Walker Catheraine jnr Scholar Sts. Lichfield 240 2182/2 Walker Charles Post Office Clerk Sts. Litchfield 240 2182/2 Walker Charles J. scholar Lan. Everton 240 2182/2 Walker Charlotte H. scholar Ln. Toxteth Park 240 2182/2 Walker Matilda scholar Sts. Lichfield 2402182/2 87183 2182/2 Lancs 461/6 Liverpool Rodney Street 1 - 6 217 - 389

Enid many thanks for looking anyway, I must get up to Glan Adda myself soon, to check for John Williams. I think he'd be in the older part of the cemetery as his death would have been not long after the turn of the century I should think. I hope that you had some luck with your own searches while you were there. I'm still subscribed to the list but I did have to change my e-mail addres not long ago. Thanks again for looking. Yours Tudur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Enid Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: [CAE] Glan Adda Cemetery. > I sent a message to Tudur ((from Liverpool?) but it has bounced back. > > Tudur, if you are still subscribed to this list - no luck in finding John Williams, your great grandfather in Glan Adda, I'm afraid. We were there last Monday, but did not have time to cover the whole cemetery, unfortunately. > > We will be going again some time. But you may have found him yourself by now??? > > Hwyl, > Enid. > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >

Am sending this again as it would seem that this did not get through, either! It did not even bounce back! Enid. ----- Original Message ----- From: Enid Williams To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: Glan Adda Cemetery. I sent a message to Tudur ((from Liverpool?) but it has bounced back. Tudur, if you are still subscribed to this list - no luck in finding John Williams, your great grandfather in Glan Adda, I'm afraid. We were there last Monday, but did not have time to cover the whole cemetery, unfortunately. We will be going again some time. But you may have found him yourself by now??? Hwyl, Enid.

I would be grateful for any assistance. I am trying to gather more information about William JONES born about 1856 in Beaumaris, mother Mary JONES but I am unsure which Registration District this would come under, in Anglesey or Caernarfon. I have a possible father, Walter JONES married in Bangor Jun 1854, but before I order the marriage cert I am hoping to discover whether this town comes under the same Reg Dist as Beaumaris. Regards, Roger Jones Holland I have transcribed for FreeCen. www.freecen.or.uk

Hi Roger The following is from the Genuki Site at http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/cae.htm BANGOR Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Caernarvonshire, but included parts of Anglesey. Sub-districts : Bangor; Beaumaris; Llanllechid GRO volumes : XXVII (1837-51); 11b (1852-1930). Aber, Bangor, Llandegai, Llanfairfechan, Llanllechid. Regards David On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 13:51:49 +0200, Roger Jones wrote: >I would be grateful for any assistance. > >I am trying to gather more information about William JONES born about >1856 in Beaumaris, mother Mary JONES but I am unsure which Registration >District this would come under, in Anglesey or Caernarfon. > >I have a possible father, Walter JONES married in Bangor Jun 1854, but >before I order the marriage cert I am hoping to discover whether this >town comes under the same Reg Dist as Beaumaris. > >Regards, > >Roger Jones >Holland > > >I have transcribed for FreeCen. www.freecen.or.uk > > > > >==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Gwynedd Family History Society >36 Y Wern Y Felinheli, Gwynedd LL56 4TXX >[email protected] or [email protected] > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Bangor is in the CAE district. You would contact the Register Office in Bangor. You can email them, or phone. Have you had a look at the 1861 census for them? If you send for Williams Jones' birth cert from the Anglesey Records Office, if he were born in Anglesey, it will contain his mother's maiden name as well as address at time of his birth. You can then look for his parents marriage. Arlene Berta California > I would be grateful for any assistance. > > I am trying to gather more information about William JONES born about > 1856 in Beaumaris, mother Mary JONES but I am unsure which Registration > District this would come under, in Anglesey or Caernarfon. > > I have a possible father, Walter JONES married in Bangor Jun 1854, but > before I order the marriage cert I am hoping to discover whether this > town comes under the same Reg Dist as Beaumaris. > > Regards, > > Roger Jones > Holland > > > I have transcribed for FreeCen. www.freecen.or.uk > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > 36 Y Wern Y Felinheli, Gwynedd LL56 4TXX > [email protected] or [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

I believe Beaumaris was in the Amlwch district. But not totally sure. You will get lots of information from this site: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/ Anglesey Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Amlwch; Bryngwan; Holyhead; Llanddausaint; Llandyfrydog; Llanfechell; Llangefni. GRO volumes : XXVII (1837-51); 11b (1852-1930). Aberffraw (1837-84), Amlwch, Bodedern (1837-84), Bodewrydd (except 1881-85), Bodwrog (1837-84), Ceirchiog (1837-84), Cerrig-Ceinwen (1837-84), Coedana, Gwyredog, Heneglwys (1837-84), Holyhead (1837-84), Llanallgo, Llanbabo, Llanbadrig, Llanbedrgoch, Llanbeulan (1837-84), Llanddausaint (1837-84), Llanddyfnan, Llandrygan with Gwyndu (1837-84), Llandyfrydog, Llanellian, Llanengrad, Llanerchymedd, Llanfachreth (1837-84), Llanfaelog (1837-84), Llanfaethly (1837-84), Llanfair-Mathafarn-Elthaf, Llanfair-yn-Eubwil (1837-84), Llanfairynghornwy, Llanfechell, Llanfflewyn, Llanfigael (1837-84), Llanfihangel Tre-'r-Beirdd, Llanfihangel-yn-Howyn (1837-84), Llanfwrog (1837-84), Llangadwaladr (1837-52), Llangefni, Llangwyfan (1837-84), Llangwyllog, Llanrhwydrys, Llanhryddiad (1837-84), Llanllibio (1837-84), Llantrisaint (1837-84), Llanwenllwyfo, Llanynghenedl (1837-84), Llechgwenfarwydd, Llechylched (1837-84), Pentraeth (1837-52), Penrhoslligwy, Rhodogeidio, Rhosbeirio (except 1881-85), Rhoscolyn (1837-84), Trefdraeth (1837-52), Tregaian, Trewalchmai (1837-84). Anglesey Parish Registers This list of parish records now in the care of Anglesey Record Office appears online with the permission of the Archivist. Please note that there are, in a few cases, gaps in the dates given, and that some of the records are microfilm copies of original records held at The National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth. Anglesey Record Office is located at Shire Hall, Llangefni, Gwynedd, LL77 7TW. Ref Parish Baptisms Marriages Burials WPE/70 Beaumaris 1655-1947 1655-1971 1655-1957

I did a search on the Gwynedd Council Site and found a book on the deaths of quarrymen. I can't remember who was questioning how to find out about them, but thought I'd send this. Arlene Berta "The North Wales Quarry Hospitals and the Health and Welfare of the Quarrymen" Dr Edward Davies

I sent a message to Tudur ((from Liverpool?) but it has bounced back. Tudur, if you are still subscribed to this list - no luck in finding John Williams, your great grandfather in Glan Adda, I'm afraid. We were there last Monday, but did not have time to cover the whole cemetery, unfortunately. We will be going again some time. But you may have found him yourself by now??? Hwyl, Enid.

Dear list, I am writing on behalf of someone who recently wrote to me asking about Evan Ellis, a founder of the Methodist cause in Garn Dolbenmaen in the late 18th century. He had a great grandson Robert Evan Ellis who was a blacksmith of Criccieth in the 1940s. I suggested the writer join the list, but while they do, does anyone have any recollections or thoughts? Yours, Ian SW9 _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

I can't seem to find any references to a book called "Some Old Characters of Penmachno". Owen Gethin Jones' book "Gweithau Gethin", was published in 1884, Owen Roberts published "Chwedleuon Machno" in 1888 and O.T. Davies published "Telyn Machno" in 1923. Unfortunately is almost impossible to find copies of these books for sale any more and when copies do turn up in second hand book shops they are extremely expensive. A new local history book which has used the above extensively as research material was published in 1996 by Gwasg Carreg Gwalch in Llanrwst "Plwyf Penmachno" by Vivian Parry Williams ISBN 0-86381-427-1. Copies are still available in the shops at nine pounds fifty. Most Welsh books that are in print can be purchased worldwide through Amazon and other internet bookshops. Or you can order a copy direct from the publisher's web site http://www.carreg-gwalch.co.uk/englsih/englishversion.htm All the best Alwyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: [CAE] Penmachno > > I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: > > If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated > > Pat Williams :-) > Toronto, Canada > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

The book by Owen Gethin Jones is called 'Gweithiau Gethin: sef casgliad o holl weithiau barddonol a llenyddol y diweddar O Gethin Jones, Ysw, Tyddyn Cethin, Penmachno, 1884. The book is over 400 pages long though about half is poetry. The most valuable part is an essay within it entitled 'Hanes Penmachno' together with two others called 'Hanes Plwyf Dolwyddelan' and 'Ysbytty Ifan a'i hynafiaethau' plus some other interesting essays and letters. I've never heard of an English version of it. Vivian Parry Williams in 2000 published a book on Gethin Jones entitled 'Owen Gethin Jones: ei fywyd a'i feiau' Gwasg Carreg Gwalch, Llanrwst , ISBN: 0863816657 £6.00 (in print) and Vivian also has a book on the history of Penmachno, also in Welsh, entitled 'Plwyf Penmachno' 1996 0863814271 (it was privately published and is not listed on gwales www.gwales.com the website of titles of relevance to Wales but can be found in the web catalogue of the public libraries of Conwy, Gwynedd and Isle of Anglesey http://talisweb.talnet.gov.uk ). I'm not sure the latter is still in print but could find out from the author if required. He is extremely knowledgeable about the parish. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 10:10 PM Subject: [CAE] Penmachno > Hi > > My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church Cemetery. His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. > > About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. > > I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: > > "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today 17 have suffered the same fate." > > On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. > > Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 > > I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records? > > If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated > > Pat Williams :-) > Toronto, Canada > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I concur 100% with what Ian Thompson says, and researchers shoud be most careful when dealing what is commonly called patronymics. Some instances appear to have been quoted already, and here is another just for good measure: A man called Robert Jones, a Blacksmith in Caernarfon had three sons, the first two adopted the name Jones after their father, BUT the third decided to call himself John Roberts by inverting his father's two names. Got it? ROBERT JONES - JOHN ROBERTS. This John Roberts became a Doctor and a well known botanist in the Gwynedd area. What do make of that eh? T. Meirion Hughes. Editor, www.Cofis-dre-ar-y-we.co.uk (Bilingual Welsh/English) www.Cofis.co.uk (All inWelsh) ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: RE: [Cae] Penmachno > Dear Pat, > > Confusing surname changes like these often crop up in the early 19th century > just when civil registration gives out!! These two things often make > progress beyond this barrier difficult if not impossible. That makes you > knowledge of the *place* your ancestors liced all the more important. > > It would be unusual for the children of a marriage to take a maternal > surname. If siblings exist with different surnames, they are much more > likely to have been half-brothers and sisters. > > In a family of mixed surnames, if all were full brothers and sisters, it > would be much more likely in your case that they would be either William(s) > or (P)Richard(s). > > Of course, clerics sometimes made mistakes! > > Ian > London SW9 > > "On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. > Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while > others > switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I > believe > that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel > booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. > > Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 > > I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What > records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find > these records?" > > _________________________________________________________________ > It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Pat: from my copy of "Some Old Characters of Penmachno" - Pages 96-97 Ellis Williams "On our visit to the old locality in 1903, Ellis Williams was yet a pillar in the big pew, though his hearing had been completely impaired for years; but for a long time now, he has been confined from his work, and his presence in the church below was missed. He was the last of the old leaders, but his sun also set close to last Christmas (1914) aged in years, to live in the dawn's clear luster of the spiritual world. As long as my days shall last upon the earth, shall I remember his earnest prayers, and his precious admonitions. He was the mightiest I ever heard in prayer. When he lost two of his children after they had grown up, grief nearly brought him down, and with his heart in two he began to pay in his tears, taking that verse for a prayer subject: "There is, therefore, now, no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" and he muttered, "Though the children's health hath given way - no condemnation! and though having lost them - no condemnation!" That evening was one ever to be remembered, the stoniest heart melted, everybody shedding copious tears, while the old saints were praising, shouting, "Glory to God! The condemnation hath been removed!" At other times, he would portray "the difficulty that the shepherd experienced in his effort to lead that stubborn sheep into the fold; and the last thing the shepherd would do would be to lay hold of her lamb, and carry it in his arms into the fold. As soon as she caught sight of her lamb in the shepherd's arms in the fold, nothing could prevent her from entering." Then he added: "The Good Shepherd has taken some of my lambs in His arms into the heavenly fold, and neither fire nor water can stop me from going there after them." There was another Ellis Williams chronicled in this book, at length, but he died in 1895. If you need another name looked for, just let me know. Holly

Dear Pat, Confusing surname changes like these often crop up in the early 19th century just when civil registration gives out!! These two things often make progress beyond this barrier difficult if not impossible. That makes you knowledge of the *place* your ancestors liced all the more important. It would be unusual for the children of a marriage to take a maternal surname. If siblings exist with different surnames, they are much more likely to have been half-brothers and sisters. In a family of mixed surnames, if all were full brothers and sisters, it would be much more likely in your case that they would be either William(s) or (P)Richard(s). Of course, clerics sometimes made mistakes! Ian London SW9 "On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records?" _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hello Pat Most of your query re Parish Register and possibly the full title of book you seek may be found on the GENUKI for Caernarfonshire under Penmachno parish.Re the quarry accident it may that the quarry records from that early stage do not exist but, you never know. Possibly the best place for that is Gwynedd Archives at Caernarfon whose site you will find via Google. Hope it helps Hywyn Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> > Hi > > My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church Cemetery. His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. > > About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. > > I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: > > "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today 17 have suffered the same fate." > > On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. > > Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 > > I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records? > > If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated > > Pat Williams :-) > Toronto, Canada > > >

Hi My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church Cemetery. His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno in the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the following: "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today 17 have suffered the same fate." On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at St. Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. I believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed 21 I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. What records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I find these records? If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old Characters of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. Any help will be greatly appreciated Pat Williams :-) Toronto, Canada

Hi, There are few records for quarrymen. I've seen some records of pay and meetings, and have spent hours searching for my great grandfather's quarry death, to no avail. He worked the Penrhyn Quarry in Bethesda, as did my grandfather and uncles. In fact, I still have a cousin working the quarry as a driver. Let me know if you find any records. I'd love to know where you found them. Oh, the National Library has every record. It's a great place as everything is there. So many records, so little time! :o) Good luck, Arlene Berta > Hello Pat > Most of your query re Parish Register and possibly the full title of book > you seek may be found on the GENUKI for Caernarfonshire under Penmachno > parish.Re the quarry accident it may that the quarry records from that > early > stage do not exist but, you never know. Possibly the best place for that > is > Gwynedd Archives at Caernarfon whose site you will find via Google. > Hope it helps > Hywyn Williams > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Williams" <[email protected]> > >> Hi >> >> My great grandfather, Ellis Lloyd Williams, was born Aug 7, 1828 in > Penmachno. He died Dec 18, 1914 & was buried in St. Tudclud Church > Cemetery. > His abode for most of his life was "Four Crosses" in Penmachno. His > occupation was draper & master tailor. New information received from a > cousin, has prompted me to order in the BTs of the Penmachno parish church > (St. Tudclud) from Salt Lake. >> >> About 10 years ago, I visited The National Library of Wales & looked at > original Penmachno parish records. Much of the info that I found on the > records at The Library is not included on the Mormon film. I will be > visiting Wales next year. Can someone tell me what Penmachno records > (particularly PRs or BTs) are currently held by The Library. >> >> I've also been told that Owen Gethin Jones wrote a history of Penmachno >> in > the late 1860's and it appeared in a book of his work published after his > death. In one part he lists notable events in the parish and includes the > following: >> >> "1833 The first person to die in the slate quarries was John Jones, > brother of Bleddyn Jones and Ellis Williams, Tailor and Draper. By today > 17 have suffered the same fate." >> >> On July 25 1813, John son of William and Gwen Richard was baptised at >> St. > Tudclud. Some of the children used the mother's surname of Jones; while > others switched to Williams after their father - William Richard/Prichard. > I > believe that I found John Jones' in The Memorial Inscriptions of The Tabor > Chapel booklet published by the Gwynedd FHS. >> >> Er cof am / JOHN mab Wm a GWEN JONES / a gladdwyd Chwefror 10 1834 / oed > 21 >> >> I'm interested in learning more about the accident that killed John. >> What > records would be available about slate quarries & deaths? Where would I > find > these records? >> >> If anyone comes across a book entitled something like "Some Old >> Characters > of Penmachno", I'm interested in buying a copy. I would prefer the English > version; but I would settle for the Welsh version. >> >> Any help will be greatly appreciated >> >> Pat Williams :-) >> Toronto, Canada >> >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi, A new gallery has been added to the Images Section, entitled "Clockmakers & Their Wares". So far there are six clocks and one watch included. Any other examples would be greatly appreciated. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi List, I have finally put a brick into my wall:-)) Has any body got a JANE HUGHES ROBERTS b 1/01/1876 in Nevin daughter of DAVID ROBERTS b 1854 Llanfihangel Bachellaeth Joiner ANN HUGHES b 1854 Nevin In their family tree? Kind regards Kathy ROBERTS,HUGHES, WILLIAMS,RICHARDS,EVANS