----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Thomas" <[email protected]> ; > 2. what the occupation of Corvicer is. The father, DAVIDI , is depicted as a > "tayler". Both sons are listed as a Corvicer. From reference, it appear this > might be a clothing or hat maker; > Hello Sam Can't help with the rest of your (impressive) research but may I suggest the following for Corvicer from a site which a lister kindly posted some time ago. a.. CORDINER / CORDWAINER / CORVINER / CORVISOR - originally term used for one who worked with Cordovan (a special leather from Spain) but later term used for shoemaker. a.. The site is http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/terms.htl Hope it helps Hywyn Williams

Thank you so much .... Darned if I was not at my wits end on CORVISER! From it's application as an occupation, I knew it had something to do with clothing. So, this is a line was a cobblers or shoemakers. This could explain the number of children that their father, DAVID TAYLER, had. 2 September 1585 baptism: DORITHEE verch DAVID, daughter of Davidi Tayler, born before this date. “2° Sep / Dorithee David fil. davidi tayler./” (page 44) 13 October 1586 burial: THOMAS ap DAVID, son of David Tayler, born & died before this date. “13 octobr./ Thomas ap david fil. davidi tayler./” (page 46) 7 November 1586 baptism: ELLEN verch DAVID, daughter of Davidi Tayler, born before this date. “7° Novem./ Elen David fil. davidi. Tayler./” (page 48) 8 December 1587 baptism: THOMAS ap DAVID, son of Davidi Tayler, born before the date. “Thomas David fil davidi tayler./” (page 49) 25 December 1587 burial: ELENA verch DAVID, daughter of Davidi Tayler, born & died before this date. “25 decem./ Elena David filia davidi tayler./” (page 49) 13 June 1589 baptism: ROBERT ap DAVID, son of David Tayler, born before this date. [Children baptisms; all dead] 13 Junij / Rob' ap David fils. Davidi tayler./” (page 55) 24 October 1590 baptism: ELIZABETH verch DAVID, daughter of DD Tayler, born before this date. “24 oct. / Elizabeth ver. David fil dd tayler./” (page 58) 27 February 1591 baptism: WILLIEMUS ap DAVID, son of David Tayler, born before this date. [No children baptized nor buried nor married.] “27 febr./ Williemus filius davidi tayler.” (page 62) 2 March 1596 burial: JOHNES ap DAVID, son of David Taylor, born & died before this date. [No surviving son baptized.] “2g mar / Johnes ap dd filis davidi Taylor./” (page 78) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mymailbox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] List Census > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Thomas" <[email protected]> > ; > > 2. what the occupation of Corvicer is. The father, DAVIDI , is depicted as > a > > "tayler". Both sons are listed as a Corvicer. From reference, it appear > this > > might be a clothing or hat maker; > > > > > Hello Sam > > Can't help with the rest of your (impressive) research but may I suggest the > following for Corvicer from a site which a lister kindly posted some time > ago. > > a.. CORDINER / CORDWAINER / CORVINER / CORVISOR - originally term used for > one who worked with Cordovan (a special leather from Spain) but later term > used for shoemaker. > a.. > The site is > http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/terms.htl > > Hope it helps > > Hywyn Williams > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello, My name is Leanne Baulch (nee WILLIAMS) of Cairns Qld Australia. I am looking for my ancestors who owned a mill in Llangefni. William WILLIAMS 's father was Richard WILLIAMS and his mother was Grace GRIFFITHS. William was born around 1856 and emigrated to Australia around 1880. He married Janet DUNLOP here in Australia. I really do not have much more information about this side of the family. Regards Leanne

Hello Pam My name is Trevor Evans and my father was a stonecutter from Red Granite Wisconsin ,where I grew up. I knew everyone in Red Granite during the years I was in school there, graduated High School in 1939. We often visited Welsh families in Wild Rose during those years. There were no quarries around Wild Rose those Welsh people were farmers. I am planning on attending a class reunion around Labor Day Sept. 1st. I will be visiting the cemeteries where my relatives are interred and if you believe that there is anything I can do to help locate your family members please advise and give me all the information you have concerning those people. My father cut the stone for many of the dormitories in Madison (U. Of W.) as well as the stone in the Unitarian Church at the end of Lake Mendota, Frank Lloyd Wrights church (another Welshman). There was quite a strong Welsh settlement around Wild Rose and in Red Granite most of the Welsh stonecutters from Trefor N. Wales. Best Trevor -- Trefor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: [CAE] MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS, orphan from Betws-y-Coed ? > Family tradition says Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS, my 2nd great-grandmother, was from Betws-y-Coed, Wales. She allegedly had an only sibling named Philip who was taken by the English and sent to India as part of the medical corps after they became orphans. She does not show up in the 1841 census or the local church records Betws-Y-Coed as far as I have I can tell. My research didn't seem to have any Williams families that had only two children. It maybe that she was near but not in Betws-y-Coed. I know that she came to the US but I can't find her on a passenger list. In 1850 she was living with Dr. & Mrs. Ebenezer Woodward in Quincy, Massachusetts. She was not listed as a servant although there was a boy listed as a laborer who was listed with the house. My great-aunt always said that the Woodward's paid for her wedding. I do have a picture of her with her husband William John Thomas where she is wearing a fancy dress that I would guess was either silk or satin in the ! > 1850's time period. Her husband came from Oneida County, NY but I found him a few blocks away in the 1850 census as a quarry worker. She spoke Welsh and used it so others on her partyline could understand what she was saying. The other story my great aunt told was that the Owen Owens family who also came from Betws-y-Coed could give us some information. I have seen work done on that family but they could not spell Betws-y-Coed and the early information is very sketchy with no mention on my family. Part of my problem is that I am not certain if Mary's father was a Williams or if his first name was William. > > > > I have not firm birth date but her tombstone says she was 54 when she died January 12, 1883 in Waushara County, Wisconsin. She is as bad as my Irish lines about avoiding records. I have a letter from a brother-in-law when her husband died in 1901 that says he could remember them coming to NY on their way to Wisconsin after they got married in the fall of 1851 in Quincy, Mass. I have searched a wide range of years and can't find a marriage record. Once they got to the Town of Rose in Waushara County, there is no obituary or death record. Family tradition says she died of a ruptured appendix. It also says that she received a letter telling her that her brother had died so he should have died before 1883. There was a Welsh Church ( Soar) near them in the Town of Rose but naturally those records are lost and the church disbanded about 1900. > > > > Pam from Madison, Wisconsin > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Thomas, Thank you. You have indeed been most helpful. I had wondered what Min y Don meant. Now to find the street!! :) Kind regards, Roger I have transcribed for FreeCen. http://www.freecen.org.uk From: Thomas Hughes [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 August 2004 12:03 Hi, Min y Don is a very popular name for a residence near the watefront in many towns and villages in Wales. Literally translated it is EDGE OF THE WAVE. Although I do not have much knowledge of the geography of the Llandudno Area. I would say that you are looking for a street of that name and would tend to ignore the Min y Don Cottage. Sorry that I can not be more helpful. T. Meirion Hughes

Hi, Min y Don is a very popular name for a residence near the watefront in many towns and villages in Wales. Literally translated it is EDGE OF THE WAVE. Although I do not have much knowledge of the geography of the Llandudno Area. I would say that you are looking for a street of that name and would tend to ignore the Min y Don Cottage. Sorry that I can not be more helpful. T. Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: [CAE] Min Y Don > Hello List, > My GGF's service records gave his mother as next-of-kin living at 3 Min > Y Don Terrace, Llandudno, N Wales about 1879-1888 but I have had no > success in finding the place. There is a Min Y Don Cottage on the 1881 > census but I do not believe this is correct for me. But there is a Min > Y Don in Penrhyn Bay and that leads to my requests. > > 1. Would Penrhyn Bay and Llandudno be described as separate places in > 1880 or part of one community? > 2. Would it be possible for someone familiar with Penrhyn Bay to confirm > the actual address of Min Y Don (St. Rd. Terr. etc.) and if there is (or > was) a number 3? > > Kind regards, > > Roger Jones > Holland > > I have transcribed for FreeCen. http://www.freecen.org.uk > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

In response to Alwyn's request ... 1. Sam Thomas, THOMAS list Administrator at ROOTWEB, Atlanta, Georgia, USA 2. Principally, my interests are in the THOMAS family of Caernarfon, Wales before 1656 and the THOMAS family of Merioneth, Wales before 1683. These two families connected in the Maryland, Virginia and again in South Carolina colonies. Below is the research conducted thus far. The Vicar of Conway Parish, at the time of DORITHEE, DAIUDUS & HUGH THOMAS’ christening, was William Evans, 1607 to 1642. The Vicar was "presented by probably the Bishop of Bangor (?), under authority of Institutions at Bangor, Diocesan Registry, and tombstone in chancel, M.S. of institution very faded and illegible, following the Reformation." This Vicar succeeded John Brickdale, who died in 1607, following the 1597-1607 plague that nearly depopulated Conway. 8 December 1587 Baptized: “Thomas David fil davidi tayler./” (page 49) 9 December 1611 Baptized: “Dorithee Thomas filia Thomas David, Corvicer, 9 decem./” (page 95) 14 April 1614 Baptized: “Daiudus ap Thomas filius Thomas David Corvicer decimo quarto die Aprilis./” (page 98) 10 December 1615 Baptized: “Hugh Daiuds filius Thomas Daiud Corvicer undecimo die decembris./ 1615” (page 100) 22 October 1644: Thomas david 22° 8tlris sepult (page 137) NOTE: Would have been 56 years old or older. Reference: “The First Volume of the Parish Registers of Conway in the Rural Deanery of Arllechwedd, Diocese of Bangor, Caernarvonshire 1541-1793,” Rodney K. P. Neep, 2002 Archive CD Books. Subsequent extensive research failed to yield a marriage, child christening or burial record for either HUGH or DAIUIDUS ap THOMAS. However, a ship passenger list at Barbados depicts two (2) entries for a DAVIES THOMAS in 1635. Then, in 1656, both appear in the Charles Count Court Records in the Virginia colony to secure land for the person responsible for their transport to the colony. From this point forward, both are well documented in acquisition of land grants on the Northern Neck of the Virginia colony and in Charles County of the Maryland colony. The International Genealogy Index proved highly useful in locating all possible variants of names for DAVID and HUGH. The use of a “V” in lieu of the Welsh “U” probably results from recording by Latin or Italian-trained clerics and scribes. Another JOHN, HUGH & CADWALADER THOMAS line of Bala, Merioneth migrated to the Pennsylvania colony in 1683 with William Penn. This Welsh Quaker line accounts for many of the THOMASes in southeastern, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, northern Maryland and the 96th District of colonial South Carolina. Now some 300 plus years later, these THOMASes scattered from the original colonists to the every point on the compass, both inside and outside of the Americas. Other interests, would be: 1. what was the name of their mother, which is not listed on the record; 2. what the occupation of Corvicer is. The father, DAVIDI , is depicted as a "tayler". Both sons are listed as a Corvicer. From reference, it appear this might be a clothing or hat maker; 3. where did they live in the Conway parish; 4. who DORITHEE verch DAVIDI TAYLER married; and 5. what relation, if any, exists between the MERIONETH and CAERNAFON lines of the THOMAS families. Sam Thomas THOMAS list Administrator at ROOTWEB Atlanta, Georgia, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alwyn ap Huw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:12 PM Subject: [CAE] List Census > It has been nearly two years since we last had a “list census”. > > In a list census ALL members of the list send a message to the list telling > us: > 1) Who you are and where you live (in general terms – Tony in London, > England; rather than Mr A. W. Blair, 10 Downing Street, London SW1 1OA – for > safety sake!) > 2) What you already know about your Gwynedd family in as much detail as > possible – if you have many family branches in the area please feel free to > send more than one reply to this request. Put some “meat” on your details. > “I’m looking for Jones in Caernarfon” won’t help other list members connect > with your family but full details of which John Jones, born where, when, > appeared in the census in which family etc – may help make a brake-through. > > 3) What you would most like to find out next about this family / these > families. > > 4)1 Please send to the list address > > [email protected] > > and not me personally! > > 4. Adapt the subject line a from "List census" to, say "William Jones of Ty > Mawr Llanbethma" > > Looking forward to a FULL, 196 member, response, > > Regards > > Alwyn > List Administrator > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

It has been nearly two years since we last had a “list census”. In a list census ALL members of the list send a message to the list telling us: 1) Who you are and where you live (in general terms – Tony in London, England; rather than Mr A. W. Blair, 10 Downing Street, London SW1 1OA – for safety sake!) 2) What you already know about your Gwynedd family in as much detail as possible – if you have many family branches in the area please feel free to send more than one reply to this request. Put some “meat” on your details. “I’m looking for Jones in Caernarfon” won’t help other list members connect with your family but full details of which John Jones, born where, when, appeared in the census in which family etc – may help make a brake-through. 3) What you would most like to find out next about this family / these families. 4)1 Please send to the list address [email protected] and not me personally! 4. Adapt the subject line a from "List census" to, say "William Jones of Ty Mawr Llanbethma" Looking forward to a FULL, 196 member, response, Regards Alwyn List Administrator --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004

Family tradition says Mary Elizabeth WILLIAMS, my 2nd great-grandmother, was from Betws-y-Coed, Wales. She allegedly had an only sibling named Philip who was taken by the English and sent to India as part of the medical corps after they became orphans. She does not show up in the 1841 census or the local church records Betws-Y-Coed as far as I have I can tell. My research didn't seem to have any Williams families that had only two children. It maybe that she was near but not in Betws-y-Coed. I know that she came to the US but I can't find her on a passenger list. In 1850 she was living with Dr. & Mrs. Ebenezer Woodward in Quincy, Massachusetts. She was not listed as a servant although there was a boy listed as a laborer who was listed with the house. My great-aunt always said that the Woodward's paid for her wedding. I do have a picture of her with her husband William John Thomas where she is wearing a fancy dress that I would guess was either silk or satin in the ! 1850's time period. Her husband came from Oneida County, NY but I found him a few blocks away in the 1850 census as a quarry worker. She spoke Welsh and used it so others on her partyline could understand what she was saying. The other story my great aunt told was that the Owen Owens family who also came from Betws-y-Coed could give us some information. I have seen work done on that family but they could not spell Betws-y-Coed and the early information is very sketchy with no mention on my family. Part of my problem is that I am not certain if Mary's father was a Williams or if his first name was William. I have not firm birth date but her tombstone says she was 54 when she died January 12, 1883 in Waushara County, Wisconsin. She is as bad as my Irish lines about avoiding records. I have a letter from a brother-in-law when her husband died in 1901 that says he could remember them coming to NY on their way to Wisconsin after they got married in the fall of 1851 in Quincy, Mass. I have searched a wide range of years and can't find a marriage record. Once they got to the Town of Rose in Waushara County, there is no obituary or death record. Family tradition says she died of a ruptured appendix. It also says that she received a letter telling her that her brother had died so he should have died before 1883. There was a Welsh Church ( Soar) near them in the Town of Rose but naturally those records are lost and the church disbanded about 1900. Pam from Madison, Wisconsin

Hello List, My GGF's service records gave his mother as next-of-kin living at 3 Min Y Don Terrace, Llandudno, N Wales about 1879-1888 but I have had no success in finding the place. There is a Min Y Don Cottage on the 1881 census but I do not believe this is correct for me. But there is a Min Y Don in Penrhyn Bay and that leads to my requests. 1. Would Penrhyn Bay and Llandudno be described as separate places in 1880 or part of one community? 2. Would it be possible for someone familiar with Penrhyn Bay to confirm the actual address of Min Y Don (St. Rd. Terr. etc.) and if there is (or was) a number 3? Kind regards, Roger Jones Holland I have transcribed for FreeCen. http://www.freecen.org.uk

Hello everyone, I am trying to track down a family from Llangefni who were owned a flour mill. The father was Richard WILLIAMS and he married a Grace GRIFFITHS. I do not know how many children they had but I know of one son William WILLIAMS who was born around 1856. They had a mill and in the late 1870's William sold some beautiful Draught Horses they owned to emigrate to Australia. William married a Janet DUNLOP in Victoria Australia in 1881. William is my great great grandfather. I have recieved some info thanks to many kind people from the WLS Anglesey mailing list. I did not know until a few days ago where they actually came from and now I hope I have it right. Hoping someone can enlighten me on this family. Thanking you in advance Regards Leanne CAIRNS QLD AUSTRALIA

Lizzie, Upper Bangor was a tight-knit community in those days, and many of the leading families inter-married. I remember that the Bayne & Dargie business was still going in the early 1960s. As 'Scotch drapers', they employed reps who would travel throughout the area (mostly rural Caernarvonshire and Anglesey) selling clothes and household linen etc. There are three copies of TFD's book at the University Library, Bangor, also one at Llangefni, and one at Caernarfon. I suspect that it was a limited print so there may be very few on the second-hand market. Regards, David. -----Original Message----- From: aspenlea [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 August 2004 23:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] DARGIE of Llechylched (AGY)/Bangor (CAE) Hello again David The DARGIE family were very close friends of my HUMPHREYS grandparents (and I now believe my grandparents named their son after Major Arnold DARGIE). As a child I remember we used to visit David Malcolm DARGIE (b1889 Bangor) and his wife, Maisie at their home in Upper Bangor. Even though they must have been quite old then, I recall "Auntie" Maisie was an outstandingly pretty woman with beautiful dark brown eyes and a delightful manner. "Uncle" David also mentioned that there was a "Lake Dargie" somewhere in the USA named after his brother William. Thanks for the dates of death, which I hadn't known. I too have a signed copy of the little book (obviously given to my grandparents), which must be every family historian's dream as it contains all sorts of information and is quite light reading. Do you have any idea of how many copies were produced or whether there is a copy lodged with a North Wales archive? I still hope that someone might know of/have contact with descendants of the DARGIE family, particularly Ian who farmed in Anglesey. Regards Lizzie Brisbane, Australia FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991 outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004 ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml Bangor University Archives ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello again David The DARGIE family were very close friends of my HUMPHREYS grandparents (and I now believe my grandparents named their son after Major Arnold DARGIE). As a child I remember we used to visit David Malcolm DARGIE (b1889 Bangor) and his wife, Maisie at their home in Upper Bangor. Even though they must have been quite old then, I recall "Auntie" Maisie was an outstandingly pretty woman with beautiful dark brown eyes and a delightful manner. "Uncle" David also mentioned that there was a "Lake Dargie" somewhere in the USA named after his brother William. Thanks for the dates of death, which I hadn't known. I too have a signed copy of the little book (obviously given to my grandparents), which must be every family historian's dream as it contains all sorts of information and is quite light reading. Do you have any idea of how many copies were produced or whether there is a copy lodged with a North Wales archive? I still hope that someone might know of/have contact with descendants of the DARGIE family, particularly Ian who farmed in Anglesey. Regards Lizzie Brisbane, Australia FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991 outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004

I have a (poor)picture of Major Dargie on my Website here: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~alwyn/C/Cofeb/AD.htm All the best Alwyn -----Original Message----- From: aspenlea [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 August 2004 23:35 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] DARGIE of Llechylched (AGY)/Bangor (CAE) Hello again David The DARGIE family were very close friends of my HUMPHREYS grandparents (and I now believe my grandparents named their son after Major Arnold DARGIE). As a child I remember we used to visit David Malcolm DARGIE (b1889 Bangor) and his wife, Maisie at their home in Upper Bangor. Even though they must have been quite old then, I recall "Auntie" Maisie was an outstandingly pretty woman with beautiful dark brown eyes and a delightful manner. "Uncle" David also mentioned that there was a "Lake Dargie" somewhere in the USA named after his brother William. Thanks for the dates of death, which I hadn't known. I too have a signed copy of the little book (obviously given to my grandparents), which must be every family historian's dream as it contains all sorts of information and is quite light reading. Do you have any idea of how many copies were produced or whether there is a copy lodged with a North Wales archive? I still hope that someone might know of/have contact with descendants of the DARGIE family, particularly Ian who farmed in Anglesey. Regards Lizzie Brisbane, Australia FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991 outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004 ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml Bangor University Archives ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 02/08/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 02/08/2004

Hi, Regarding your request to trace Robert Roberts on the 1841 Census. I should point out one is unable to trace the parish of birth of an individual as in succeeding Census Returns. There are rather two options under the heading WHERE BORN. The first is WHETHER BORN IN SAME COUNTY to which the initial Y for Yes or N for No is given in answer and the second WHETHER BORN IN SCOTLAND, IRELAND OR FOREIGN PARTS. You will, therefore, see how difficult it is to find the answer to your request. It would mean going through 3 Micro Fiche for Bangor, HO 107 138 (1) (2) and (3) which could take the best part of a day and even then there would be no guarantee that the person you seek is found. Under the circumstances it may be worth your while to order copies of the 3 Fiche in question. Regards, T Meirion Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elvery Chambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: [CAE] 1841 census lookup > Please could someone check the 1841 census of Bangor for me. I am looking for a Robert Roberts born in Llanddaniel Fab Anglesey about 1825/6. > Thank you > Elvery Chambers > Perth, Western Australia > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thomas Frederick Scrymgour Fotheringham DARGIE (b 1857 Tarbrax, Scotland, d 1940's Beaumaris) was the owner of Bayne & Dargie in Upper Bangor in the 1930's. He and his wife, Madge and their 6 children, lived at Bryn Deiniol, then finally Derwen Deg (Beaumaris). There is a family grave at Glan Adda, Bangor where a dau, Eva Marian (1896-1918), is buried. On the grave there is also a cross commemorating her brother, Major Arnold DARGIE (1891-1917), who was killed fighting in France. I believe the "Dargie Cup" for soccer is named after him. Another son was Ian Malcolm DARGIE (b 1905) who married Myfi THOMAS from Benllech. Ian farmed Glan Towyn, nr Rhosneigr (Llechylched), AGY and latterly Ty Mawr farm nearby. This farm was apparently well known for its wonderful Welsh Black cattle, in particular "Towyn Sue" who had an unbeaten show career. Ian and Myfi's children included: Thomas Frederick DARGIE, Margaret DARGIE and David DARGIE. If anyone has any information on this family, I would really appreciate hearing from them. Lizzie Brisbane, Australia FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991 outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004

Please could someone check the 1841 census of Bangor for me. I am looking for a Robert Roberts born in Llanddaniel Fab Anglesey about 1825/6. Thank you Elvery Chambers Perth, Western Australia

Phil, All are totally possible. Ages are often off by 5 years. When you research, you should always look 5 years either side of the age/year. Evan Roberts' birth may not have been registered as he was born prior to 1837, when it was mandatory to register. Have you tried looking for a baptism? Good luck. Arlene Berta Folsom, CA [email protected] wrote: >Hi Listers, > >Two of my ancestors THOMAS ROBERTS and his wife ELLIN are recorded in the >1841 Census for CAE as living in Penmachno, Registration sub-district 3 Yspytty >of Llanrwst CRD. They were ' 35' years of age and their address appeared to be >Tainewyddion. > >I am having difficulty tracing them in this difficult area between >Caernarfonshire, Denbighshire and Merionethshire. I think that i have managed to trace >three of the children. Robert '10' in the Census together with Catherine and >Jane (bracketed with a comment I can't decifer but no age given) appear to have >been christened on the Wesleyan Llanrwst Circuit, Denbigh in October 1830 and >June 1833. The girls were probably twins. My father was a Wesleyan Methodist >so I go along with this so far. > >I can find no trace of the birth details of my gg grandfather EVAN ROBERTS. >In 1841 he was five. In the 1881 Census he was living in 'Festiniog' where my >father comes from. He was 45. He was born in 1836 at Penmachno. > >I am uncertain that I have found the right THOMAS ROBERTS and ELLIN. A THOMAS >ROBERTS married an ELLINOR WILLIAMS in Penmachno on 7th April, 1827. >They were given the arbitrary age of ' 35' in 1841. Could he have been >christened on 15th February, 1807 in Capel Garmon, Denbighshire (parents William and >Catherine)? Could she have been christened at Llanrwst on 2nd August, 1807 >(parents William and Jane)? >It would be very convenient because then ' the twins' would be named after >their respective grandmothers. Help please. Am I right or is this an IGI mist >that I see rising before my eyes. > >Thought for today: there are no brickwalls in genealogy only log-jams. Once >those logs roll ....! Trouble is they rarely do. >Regards,Phil. > > >==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ >Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hi, Three more clocks have been added in the "Clockmakers & their Wares" gallery, two John Hughes examples, and a John Jones. Also a David Parry watch. These can all be found in the Images Section. http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith.

Hi Sue, On my certs from CAE, place of death, person in attendance, witness, cause of death. It usually lists the relationship of the witness and mine has their address. Which actually gave me ways to find other family members living in the area. Good luck, Arlene Berta Folsom, CA > Hello all, > > Could someone please tell me what information I could expect to find on an > 1852 death certificate? > > I was recently fortunate enough to visit the lovely area that is > Caernarfonshire all too briefly, just beautiful. Definately whetted my > appetite to return. > > Thank you, > Sue > Australia > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >