I was photographing war graves in Kilkerran Burial Ground in Campbeltown tonight and noticed one small headstone against a wall in the old part of the burial ground. CATHERINE JONES IN MEMORY OF HER HUSBAND ROBERT JONES CAPTN. OF THE SMACK MAJOR NANNEY OF PWLLHELI WHO DIED 25TH JAN Unfortunately the year was buried so not visible but I would estimate that it was mid 19th Century. I have a photograph in anyone happened to have any connections to the family. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS

Roger, Please be careful with the word MYNYDDON which you state in indistinct. Although there is no such Welsh word, MYNYDD means MOUNTAIN plural MYNYDDAU and MYNYDDOG means Mountainous. This is a case where knowledge of the Welsh language is of help. With regard to Min y Don, sometimes it may be written Min-y-Don, but it would never be written MYN.... Best of luck, TMH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [CAE] Min Y Don > Hi Wendy, > > I have had a few problems getting onto Old-Maps. Yesterday I succeeded > and I found Llandudno 1895 and I think I have located Min y Don. It is > a little indistinct but looks like Mynyddon. > > Kind regards, > > Roger > > I have transcribed for FreeCen. http://www.freecen.org.uk > > > From: Wendy Jones [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 August 2004 22:14 > > There is a street/area in Llandudno called Min y Don. I know because I > used > to visit my Great Aunt Bettie there in the 60's with my father. Sorry I > can't give exact location but it would show up on a map. Best wishes, > Wendy > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Wendy, I have had a few problems getting onto Old-Maps. Yesterday I succeeded and I found Llandudno 1895 and I think I have located Min y Don. It is a little indistinct but looks like Mynyddon. Kind regards, Roger I have transcribed for FreeCen. http://www.freecen.org.uk From: Wendy Jones [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 09 August 2004 22:14 There is a street/area in Llandudno called Min y Don. I know because I used to visit my Great Aunt Bettie there in the 60's with my father. Sorry I can't give exact location but it would show up on a map. Best wishes, Wendy

Hi Pam My offering to help you was a little like carrying coals to Newcastle. I am sure that you know much more about the area than I do. You perhaps know something about my cousin Sidney Jones who moved back to the Wild Rose area after retiring from teaching in the Chicago area. His brother Henry was quite well known he was a minister and missionary. I was related through his father, his mothers family was from the Wild Rose farming community, sister to Milton Jones. Many years ago when we would visit on Sundays he would let me ride a horse around the farm, good memories. Best Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS, orphan from Betws-y-Coed ? > I appreciate your offer to help on my Williams problem. I was in Wild Rose > yesterday guiding at the Wild Rose Museum. Even though I live in Madison, I > was drafted to be President of the Wild Rose Historical Society. Besides > guiding, I have been trying to make our archives more accessible by doing > indexes and table of contents for documents, pictures or old news articles. > You can go to www.1wildrose.com to get see information on the museum. Clip > on attractions and then Pioneer Museum. If you would like to see the museum, > I am willing to be there to show you through. We have many pictures of the > Welsh settlers & some of their relatives from outside the immediate area. > > The reason they drafted me is because I have been working on a genealogical > history of Wild Rose ( including the Towns of Mt. Morris, Rose, Springwater > and part of the Town of Wautoma in Waushara Co. and part of Dayton in > Waupaca Co., and part of Belmont in Portage Co. I have 38 stackable file > drawers with information for old newspapers that I have read on microfilm, > copied then clipped, dated, and sorted by family or subject. I am behind on > my sorting and filing by at least two (10 ream size) boxes. I have > photographed most of the cemeteries in the area of my research. I have some > that I need to go back and take a trowel along so I can get the dates that > are either under ground or too close to the ground for me to photograph. > > I know that my Pritchard side of the Thomas family absolutely came from > Aberdaron from the Ty Howel farm. I believe the Thomas side also came from > Aberdaron but I can't find the farm in the census. The farm means polluted > water and is Pwll Llwrgr (the second part might be the wrong spelling). I > think the literal translation is more like pond corrupted. I have found > people buried in the Aberdaron cemetery with the farm name on the tombstone. > > The family came over in the 1818-19 time period. I do have an obituary in > Welsh for Jane Pritchard which I mostly translated and then sent to a lady > in Anglesey who has relatives that came to Wild Rose. > > If you run into anyone who knows about the Soar Church records that would be > the greatest help because I don't have a birthdate for Mary Elizabeth. > > I should also say that my mother graduated a year earlier than you did but > of course from Wild Rose. She was active in the band so she went to many of > the tournaments they had in those days. In those days she was Beverly > Murty. > > Thanks again for your offer of help. > > Pam Anderson > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

There is a street/area in Llandudno called Min y Don. I know because I used to visit my Great Aunt Bettie there in the 60's with my father. Sorry I can't give exact location but it would show up on a map. Best wishes, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] Min Y Don > Hello Thomas, > > Thank you. You have indeed been most helpful. I had wondered what Min > y Don meant. Now to find the street!! :) > > Kind regards, > > Roger > > I have transcribed for FreeCen. http://www.freecen.org.uk > > > From: Thomas Hughes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 07 August 2004 12:03 > > Hi, > > Min y Don is a very popular name for a residence near the watefront in > many > towns and villages in Wales. Literally translated it is EDGE OF THE > WAVE. > Although I do not have much knowledge of the geography of the Llandudno > Area. I would say that you are looking for a street of that name and > would > tend to ignore the Min y Don Cottage. > > Sorry that I can not be more helpful. > > T. Meirion Hughes > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks very much indeed. It's amazing how many things you realise have been left unsearched for when you bring details together like this, isn't it? I'll have to talk to Bill again about Ty'n y Bryn. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Powell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Owen(s) of Ty'n Bryn, Dolwyddelan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rhian Williams" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CAE] Owen(s) of Ty'n Bryn, Dolwyddelan > > ...........The letter is about the Lloyd line but mentions that Gwen Owen, one of the daughters of Owen Owens and Elizabeth, married William Hughes, Gartherys (or similar) Betws y Coed. > I think this should be 'Gartheryr'. Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Betws-y-Coed; Gartheryr is south west of St Mary's Church and west of the Waterloo Hotel. Access (by foot) from behind the church > The surrounding area was acquired by the Forestry Commission in the mid 1920s and Gartheryr was converted to a smallholding. The last tenant I remember, c. 1928/30 was an Idwal Hughes - a real character ! > > .........and also anything about Ty'n y Bryn itself, which later had a quarry on the land. > For Ty'n Bryn search 'Old maps' for Dolwyddelan. The quarry was called 'Penllyn'; I don't know where this comes from as, so far as I know, there is no 'llyn' anywhere near the area. I expect Bill Jones can tell us ! > All the best, > Allen (Criccieth). > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru The National Library of Wales. Aberystwyth. > www.llgc.org.uk/ > [email protected] > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Census List reply from: Gwyneth nee Evans, Conwy 1. ROBERTS of Glanadda Bangor. My grandfather on my mother's side was John JONES (b. Llangwstennin 1863-1933), baker of Llandudno Junction, later Colwyn Bay, I know much about him and his family but of his first wife, my grandmother, Jane ROBERTS, who came from Bangor I know nothing except from the marriage certificate. They were married in 1884. Jane's abode is given as Glanadda, Bangor and her father Owen ROBERTS (dec) farmer. Witness at this wedding was Margaret HUGHES. Born about 1863 Jane ROBERTS had 9 children that I know of. She may have had a daughter previous to this marriage. She died in 1901, when my mother, Eleanor JONES, was an infant. If anyone recognises this Jane ROBERTS I would be pleased to have more information. 2. ROBERTS of Llanbedr y Cennin, Conwy My g.g.g. Grandfather William ROBERTS born abt. 1755, place unknown Farmer. Onen Ebryd, Llanbedr y Cennin Buried January 30th 1829, Llanbedr-y-cennin 1. Married Elizabeth OWEN - Buried December 1793 Son Owen ROBERTS bapt May 19th 1793. Buried 1793 2. Married February 10th 1797 Sian WILLIAMS, Werngo, Nant y Benglog, born 1775. Died July 24th 1862. Llanbedr-y-Cennin CHILDREN Jane ROBERTS bapt 1797 My g.g. grandfather Owen ROBERTS bapt August 10 1800 Llanbedr-y-Cennin Griffydd ROBERTS bapt 1806 died 1847 USA Gaynor ROBERTS bapt 1810 died Mary ROBERTS bapt 1813 died January 19th 1846 Anne ROBERTS bapt 1814 died February 15th 1856 William ROBERTS bapt 1815 died October 27th 1832 Robert ROBERTS bapt 1817 died 1819 Owen ROBERTS married Mary (1801-1881) abt 1826 they had at least 6 children. One being my g.g. grandmother, Jane (1836-1913) who married David JONES. in 1855 and had 13 children, one being my grandfather John JONES (1863 -1933) Jane's brother Thomas (1838-1916) became a Congregational Minister in Mold and also wrote about Llanbedr y Cennin and some of its characters, incuding his Nain, Sian. I know he visited relations in Bangor in about 1910 with some relations from America. Does anyone recognise family? I would also like more information on Sian (nee Williams) Werngo, Nant y Benglog, parents and any siblings. Gwyn Oatley

I think Alwyns suggestion is a good idea. What did surprise me was how few people actually do subscribe to the list. Anyway here goes with my Caernarfonshire lot. I’m posting Anglesey separately and then both together on Gwynedd, so if you read the same info 3 times – sorry, but I wasn’t respon-sible for organising the counties – blame Edward I. My name is Dewi and I live not far from the Black Forest in Germany. I’m originally from near Llandudno though. My CAE interests are focussed on Llanllyfni, with the name of WILLIAMS of all things. I have given the names of the farms. Some of them are not entirely correct, but I’ve not got round to pursuing those lines as yet. William Williams, (1759 – 1834), Tal Eithin Uchaf married Margaret (Morsley?) Roberts (1756-1832) They had 5 Children: 1. Robert Williams 1781-1828, Tal Eithin, married Ellen Jones (1785 – 1847) 2. Griffith Williams (1786 – 1827) married Ann Roberts 3. Hugh Williams 1790-1800 4. Owen Williams 1794 – ?, married Jane Hughes 5. Anna Williams 1796 - ?, married William Jones Robert and Elens children: 1.1. Ellis (1813-1892), Tal Eithin, married E. Williams (1831-?) – 7 children 1.2. John Robert Williams (1810-1870) emigrated to USA 1845, married Mary R. Williams, 6 children 1.3. Marjorie 1812-1812; 1.4. Ellen 1813 - ?; 1.5. Ellis 1817-?; 1.6. Marjorie 1820-?; 1.7. Evan (1821-?); 1.8. Jane 1824-? Ellis and E. Williams (Elizabeth)s children : 1.1.1 Richard (1850-1922), Dolau, Llangernyw, married Grace, 7 children 1.1.2 Ellen, 1853 Ty Gwyn Uchaf ----- Esyllt / Phyllis (assumed children) 1.1.3 Robert, 1859, Dol Ifan 1.1.4 Margaret, 1862, Tal Diwot ------John Gwilym (not sure if husband or child, assume child) 1.1.5 Griffith 1867, Rhosgoch 1.1.6 Elis 1869, Cesarea, later Nel y Fron 1.1.7 Laura, 1875-1953 Tal Eithin, married Robert (surname ?) of Hafod Wen, 5 children Richard moved to Dolau Farm in Llangernyw, Denbs. (my gggrandfather) Children of Laura and Robert: Nel, Elizabeth, Gwilym, Robert, Ellis Richard (1.1.1) son then moved back into CAE to farm Pyllau on the Great Orme, Llandudno. Dewi _______________________________________________________ WEB.DE Video-Mail - Sagen Sie mehr mit bewegten Bildern Informationen unter: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021199

Hello All, One of my emigrant families is Jane Owens b. 1826 CaeAwr, Capel Curig and found living at Tynycwm in Dolwyddeln in 1848 just prior to her marriage to Robert R. Jones b. 1826 of BwlchBach Dolwyddelan. Jane is daughter of David Roberts Owens and Jane Williams. Robert is son of Robert Jones and Ann (maiden name unknown). By 1851, the young couple are listed at # 3 Penllyn in Dolwyddelan with their two young sons and by 1853 they have left Wales for the US (a fact surmised by studying subsequent children's births). If anyone is connected to either of these families, I would like to share with you. Mary Medford, New Jersey USA

Hi Diane Excellent - a bit more for the chart (it's a bit more than a 'tree' !). I'm interested in your comments re "Ann Williams of Bardsey had an elder sister who married ...EVANS, they had a son, Robert who I found on a census living with Rees & Ann at one point." I have Ann's two older sisters as - Eleanor (b1818) married Evan John Williams Jan/Mar 1842 - The 1851 census has them living at Cristin (on Enlli). They lived their until their deaths - Evan in 1875 & Eleanor in 1903 - they are both buried on Enlli. Evan was born on Enlli but I have not established which family as he does not appear on the island in the 1841 census. Jane (b1825) married Morris Williams (of Nant on Enlli - the other half of the 'semi-detached house that Rees Griffiths & family lived in!). She lived in Nant until her death in 1901 and she is buried on Enlli. Can't find where Morris is buried. Neither of the above have a son Robert directly referred to as such. "Robert Evans" - The 1851 census shows him as "living at Hendy on Enlli, aged 7, scholar, grandson of Rev Robert Williams" (also living at Hendy). The 1861 census shows him as "living at Hendy, a17, labourer, grandson of Robt Williams (also at Hendy). There is a slight change in the 1871 census as he is then show aged 27 but he is called 'Robert Williams' described as 'servant' under "relationship to head of household" ie Robert Williams. The 1881 census shows him as "aged 37 ag lab - nephew of Rees Griffiths" - both still living at Hendy. The 1891 census shows him aged 47, still at Hendy and unmarried called 'Robert Evans' again. This time however he is described as the cousin of Rees Griffiths. Without ordering his a copy birth entry/certificate - we may never know. I suspect that he is the eldest child of Evan John Williams and Eleanor Williams and that he was named using the patronymic system - the system survived on Enlli well into the 1800's. 'Surnames' as we know them changed from census to census on Enlli - and back again! Even now in the Aberdaron area they do not mean much - folk are known by their first name plus their housename! I have photos of the gravestone of Rees & Ann Griffiths on Bardsey/Enlli - if you would like a copy sent direct. The 'formal' graveyard on Enlli has 10 graves with memorial stones and another 15 marked by a long narrow mound with a small stone at either end. There are of course many other graves for the hundreds if not thousands that went there to be buried. ( I'm not attempting to list them! :-(( ) One early grave recently had become exposed in the middle of the main track along the island (near the graveyard) and had to be covered over. The booklets of memorial inscriptions produced by the Gwynedd Family History Society are very useful - if List members are not aware of them- see their website! http://www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ I've found odd transcription errors - only to be expected with such a task - but they have added a huge deal of information to my Enlli 'chart'. Trusting the above is of some use Ian Jolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] List Census - Bardsey Island & Aberdaron area Hallo Ian I too have Aberdaron & Bardsey connections. I have researched my gt grandfather (Richard Griffiths, Born 1820 at Bryn Mawr, Aberdaron) & his ancestors quite successfully back to the 1700s. He had a younger brother, Rees (born 1826) who married Ann Williams dau of Rev Robert Williams & Jane, of Bardsey. Their children, Ruth (b 1863/4), William ( 1865/6) & Jane (1869/70) were born there & I believe Rees was buried on Bardsey too. I am in contact with a descendant of this family who I won't name without her permission of course. I am also in contact with a descendant of Richard's eldest son, (my grandmother's eldest brother) Griffith Griffiths, (born 1853)who became a medical missionary in India, and with a descendant by marriage of her elder sister Ruth, (b 1862) who married a mariner, Capt Wm Evans. Ann Williams of Bardsey had an elder sister who married ...EVANS, they had a son, Robert who I found on a census living with Rees & Ann at one point. Both Richard & Rees were mariners, as was Richard's 2nd son, Robert. I have quite a bit of information on their voyages. My grandmother was Richard's youngest daughter Mary Griffiths born 1865 in Llanfaglan. Her mother died in 1870 & he remarried in 1873 to Ann DAVIES of Nevin. This is probably sufficient information for now - I don't know how much you or list members can digest! Am happy to provide more. When we visited the Lleyn peninsula in May 2003 we found a descendant living at Bryn Mawr but she was very elderly and has not maintained contact. The tenancy of house/farm had been passed to Richard's sister in law Ann who married a farmer, Thomas Jones. One of his sons later bought it & it passed down the family. Diana Wilkinson of Hertford, UK (20 miles north of London) ----- Original Message ----- From: Enlli FH <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] List Census - Bardsey Island & Aberdaron area > I'm Ian and I live near Yr Wyddgrug / Mold in North Wales. > > I'm researching not one family but all those who have lived on Ynys Enlli / > Bardsey Island! > > Also their families on the mainland as there was a fair 'flow' to & from the > island over the years mainly from the Aberdaron area. > > I have some 460+ people listed mostly in a number of 'trees'. They range > from one family still on the island (whose connection with the island I have > recently linked back to the early 1800's although it was only rumour in > their family!) to individuals that I know little about but I know they lived > on the island. See > http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/familyhistory/pages/bardsey.shtml > > I'm happy to share any information that I have researched - if your > ancestors came from the Aberdaron area - I may well have them in my lists. > Everything is searchable in my computer together with where the information > came from. > > When I get a bit more time (to many trips to the island at the moment - I > look after the telephones there as a volunteer!) I'll post a few queries. > I'm particularly interested in what happened to some Bardsey folk who went > to the USA such as the following - > Ellen Charles to Remsen, New York in 1818 > William Richards, wife & six children to New York in 1818 > John P Jones, wife & five children to Oneida, New York in 1819 > Robert Pritchard to Oneida, New York in 1826 > David Richard to USA in 1831 > > I have no other details of the above as yet. > > Cofion gorau > > Ian Jolly > > > > Ian Jolly > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alwyn ap Huw" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:12 AM > Subject: [CAE] List Census > > > It has been nearly two years since we last had a “list census”. > > In a list census ALL members of the list send a message to the list telling > us: > 1) Who you are and where you live (in general terms – Tony in London, > England; rather than Mr A. W. 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Lizzie from Brisbane, Australia researching ROWLANDS and JONES(Llanrug/Llandeiniolen area). ----------- I'm Jane Ellen ROWLANDS, Lizzie's gtgrandmother, and I was born about 1865 in Bangor. My parents were Owen Robert ROWLANDS/ROBERTS (b 1834 at Llanrug), a joiner, and Margaret HUGHES (b 1834 Penmon - see AGY List mail). They married at the Calvanist Tabernacle Chapel, Bangor in 1862 where I was an organist for many years. Dad was listed in the 1851 Llanddeiniolen census as Owen ROBERTS but from then on as Owen ROWLANDS and in 1887 he was listed as a Temperance Hotel keeper in Bangor. I was the only girl in the family and we were all born in Bangor: Eldest brother, Robert Evans ROWLANDS (b 1864) became a Church of England Clergyman and was at The Rectory, St Georges, Llandaff in 1901. Then Hugh ROWLANDS (b 1868) who became a confectioner at one stage, but was a draper in Carnarvon St, Bangor in 1901. He married Mary (b 1872) from Llangristiolus. I believe I had another brother, John Idris (b 1870) who became a Methodist Minister and was in Llancil in 1901. Haven't been able to confirm him yet. Owen Robert ROWLANDS (Jr) arrived in 1873. He was a confectioner/baker in Bangor in 1901. He married Annie. And finally, William (Willie) ROWLANDS arrived in 1875. He went to live across the Menai Straits in Beaumaris where he worked as a confectioner in 1901. There was talk that either John Idris or Owen Robert ran the Temperance Hotel in Bangor at some time, but this is unconfirmed. My uncles (dad's side) were: William ROWLANDS b 1838 at Llanrug. He was a slate quarryman, married Ann (b 1839) from Llanllechid and they appear in 1881 living in Pant y Buarth, Llanddeiniolen with their children John (12), Mary (10) and Henry (7). I think Ann may have died and William remarried Ellen (b 1847 Llandeiniolen) as William (63), Ellen (54) and Henry (27, another quarryman) appear at the same address in 1901. Rowland Evans ROWLAND was born in 1843 and in 1861 he was a joiner's apprentice in Tan y Buarth. He married Mary (b 1850 Llanberis) and their daughter, Sarah K was born there about 1875). Rowland and his family then moved to Venmore St, Everton, Lancs and were living there in 1881. Paternal grandfather, Robert ROWLANDS was born about 1809 in Llanddeiniolen and worked as a slate quarryman, living in Pant y Buarth in 1851. I think he married Catherine (JONES/ EVANS**) (b abt 1817 Llanrug) in 1833 in Llanrug. Catherine is listed as JONES in the LDS marriage record. Robert probably died (maybe a quarry accident?) before 1861 as Catherine appears as a widow living in Pant y Buarth in the 1861 census. But then comes a mystery - who did my grandmother Catherine remarry and when?? She pops up in the 1871 Bangor census as "mother in law" so was probably visiting us, (my dad, Owen Robert ROWLANDS wasn't at home in 1871), but her surname is now WILLIAMS and she is described as married (the census taker must have been either dead tired or dyslexic because he wrote her age back to front - she was 54 not 45!). Can anyone tell me who my step-grandfather was? **Because one of my uncle's was listed in the 1851 Llanddeiniolen census as Rowland EVANS (not ROWLANDS) its been suggested he was named after grandmother Catherine's family, and patrynomics being what they are ..........! As for me, I met and married John HUMPHREYS in 1887 and we had 7 children whilst we lived in Holyhead Road, Upper Bangor and ran a very successful grocery business. Our children were: Arthur Lewis HUMPHREYS (1887-abt 1967). Sadly Arthur disappeared one day whilst he was out and was never seen again, nor his body found. Richard Emyr HUMPHREYS (b 1888), Lizzie's grandfather. He went on to take over the family grocery business in Upper Bangor. He was a wonderful pianist and often used to play the organ for Bangor Cathedral. He and his wife, Gladys (nee BIRT) are buried at Llanfaes, Agy. Our only daughter, Gladys HUMPHREYS was born in 1891 but sadly only lived a few months. Gwyilym Roland HUMPHREYS was born in 1892 and became a bank manager in Wrexham. He married Morfydd and they had a daughter Davida. John Llewellyn HUMPHREYS (1893-1901), another one who died young. Gwynne Ivor HUMPHREYS (1896-1967) was also a grocer and helped in his father's business. He was a Lieutenant in the Welsh Fusiliers in 1914. Robert Hywel (Howie) HUMPHREYS (1897). He ran the Temperance Hotel in Liverpool for a while, but when business failed set up a chicken farm in Somerset. He married Lily VIVIAN. So if anyone can help gtgrand daughter Lizzie solve some of these mysteries or add to her knowledge, please let her know. ------------ Lizzie Brisbane, Australia FHS: Mont #965, Gwynedd #2991 outgoing mail scanned by PC-cillin 2004

Hi there My name is Elvery Chambers nee Nelmes & I live in Perth, Western Australia. My mother was Annie Myfanwy Morris born 24 Aug 1909 at Holyhead to David Wynne & Mary Owen (born 1880 Llanfechraeth Ang) who were married in 1906 in Holyhead. David Wynne Morris was born 26 April 1883 at Bangor to David Morris & Ann Roberts who were married in 1869 at Llandegai. Known siblings of David Wynne were David H (died 1882) Mary (1872 Bangor) Robert Griffith (1877 Bangor) Priscilla (1879 Bangor) Howell (1880 Bangor) Elizabeth Catherine (1886 Bangor) William Glynn (1889 Bangor) Hywell (1891 Bangor) Ann (1893 Bangor) David Morris was born 1847 at Bangor to David Morris (1805 Pentraeth Ang) & Elizabeth Williams (1807 Llandegai) Known siblings of David were Catherine (1835 Bangor) & Ann (1843 Bangor) Ann Roberts was born about 1849 at Bangor to Robert Roberts (1825 Llanddaniel Fab Ang) & Mary Jones (1822 Bangor). Known siblings of Ann were - Elizabeth (1842 Bangor) Henry (1852 Bangor) Mary (1854 Bangor) Robert (1857 Bangor) Priscilla 1859 Llandegai) William Owen (1861 Llandegai) Ellen (1863 Llandegai) That's about as far as I have been able to go back but would love to go further. Would also like to get in touch with any family. Elvery

Hallo Ian I too have Aberdaron & Bardsey connections. I have researched my gt grandfather (Richard Griffiths, Born 1820 at Bryn Mawr, Aberdaron) & his ancestors quite successfully back to the 1700s. He had a younger brother, Rees (born 1826) who married Ann Williams dau of Rev Robert Williams & Jane, of Bardsey. Their children, Ruth (b 1863/4), William ( 1865/6) & Jane (1869/70) were born there & I believe Rees was buried on Bardsey too. I am in contact with a descendant of this family who I won't name without her permission of course. I am also in contact with a descendant of Richard's eldest son, (my grandmother's eldest brother) Griffith Griffiths, (born 1853)who became a medical missionary in India, and with a descendant by marriage of her elder sister Ruth, (b 1862) who married a mariner, Capt Wm Evans. Ann Williams of Bardsey had an elder sister who married ...EVANS, they had a son, Robert who I found on a census living with Rees & Ann at one point. Both Richard & Rees were mariners, as was Richard's 2nd son, Robert. I have quite a bit of information on their voyages. My grandmother was Richard's youngest daughter Mary Griffiths born 1865 in Llanfaglan. Her mother died in 1870 & he remarried in 1873 to Ann DAVIES of Nevin. This is probably sufficient information for now - I don't know how much you or list members can digest! Am happy to provide more. When we visited the Lleyn peninsula in May 2003 we found a descendant living at Bryn Mawr but she was very elderly and has not maintained contact. The tenancy of house/farm had been passed to Richard's sister in law Ann who married a farmer, Thomas Jones. One of his sons later bought it & it passed down the family. Diana Wilkinson of Hertford, UK (20 miles north of London) ----- Original Message ----- From: Enlli FH <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] List Census - Bardsey Island & Aberdaron area > I'm Ian and I live near Yr Wyddgrug / Mold in North Wales. > > I'm researching not one family but all those who have lived on Ynys Enlli / > Bardsey Island! > > Also their families on the mainland as there was a fair 'flow' to & from the > island over the years mainly from the Aberdaron area. > > I have some 460+ people listed mostly in a number of 'trees'. They range > from one family still on the island (whose connection with the island I have > recently linked back to the early 1800's although it was only rumour in > their family!) to individuals that I know little about but I know they lived > on the island. See > http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/familyhistory/pages/bardsey.shtml > > I'm happy to share any information that I have researched - if your > ancestors came from the Aberdaron area - I may well have them in my lists. > Everything is searchable in my computer together with where the information > came from. > > When I get a bit more time (to many trips to the island at the moment - I > look after the telephones there as a volunteer!) I'll post a few queries. > I'm particularly interested in what happened to some Bardsey folk who went > to the USA such as the following - > Ellen Charles to Remsen, New York in 1818 > William Richards, wife & six children to New York in 1818 > John P Jones, wife & five children to Oneida, New York in 1819 > Robert Pritchard to Oneida, New York in 1826 > David Richard to USA in 1831 > > I have no other details of the above as yet. > > Cofion gorau > > Ian Jolly > > > > Ian Jolly > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alwyn ap Huw" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:12 AM > Subject: [CAE] List Census > > > It has been nearly two years since we last had a “list census”. > > In a list census ALL members of the list send a message to the list telling > us: > 1) Who you are and where you live (in general terms – Tony in London, > England; rather than Mr A. W. Blair, 10 Downing Street, London SW1 1OA – for > safety sake!) > 2) What you already know about your Gwynedd family in as much detail as > possible – if you have many family branches in the area please feel free to > send more than one reply to this request. Put some “meat” on your details. > “I’m looking for Jones in Caernarfon” won’t help other list members connect > with your family but full details of which John Jones, born where, when, > appeared in the census in which family etc – may help make a brake-through. > > 3) What you would most like to find out next about this family / these > families. > > 4)1 Please send to the list address > > [email protected] > > and not me personally! > > 4. Adapt the subject line a from "List census" to, say "William Jones of Ty > Mawr Llanbethma" > > Looking forward to a FULL, 196 member, response, > > Regards > > Alwyn > List Administrator > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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I'm Ian and I live near Yr Wyddgrug / Mold in North Wales. I'm researching not one family but all those who have lived on Ynys Enlli / Bardsey Island! Also their families on the mainland as there was a fair 'flow' to & from the island over the years mainly from the Aberdaron area. I have some 460+ people listed mostly in a number of 'trees'. They range from one family still on the island (whose connection with the island I have recently linked back to the early 1800's although it was only rumour in their family!) to individuals that I know little about but I know they lived on the island. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/familyhistory/pages/bardsey.shtml I'm happy to share any information that I have researched - if your ancestors came from the Aberdaron area - I may well have them in my lists. Everything is searchable in my computer together with where the information came from. When I get a bit more time (to many trips to the island at the moment - I look after the telephones there as a volunteer!) I'll post a few queries. I'm particularly interested in what happened to some Bardsey folk who went to the USA such as the following - Ellen Charles to Remsen, New York in 1818 William Richards, wife & six children to New York in 1818 John P Jones, wife & five children to Oneida, New York in 1819 Robert Pritchard to Oneida, New York in 1826 David Richard to USA in 1831 I have no other details of the above as yet. Cofion gorau Ian Jolly Ian Jolly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alwyn ap Huw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 3:12 AM Subject: [CAE] List Census It has been nearly two years since we last had a “list census”. In a list census ALL members of the list send a message to the list telling us: 1) Who you are and where you live (in general terms – Tony in London, England; rather than Mr A. W. Blair, 10 Downing Street, London SW1 1OA – for safety sake!) 2) What you already know about your Gwynedd family in as much detail as possible – if you have many family branches in the area please feel free to send more than one reply to this request. Put some “meat” on your details. “I’m looking for Jones in Caernarfon” won’t help other list members connect with your family but full details of which John Jones, born where, when, appeared in the census in which family etc – may help make a brake-through. 3) What you would most like to find out next about this family / these families. 4)1 Please send to the list address [email protected] and not me personally! 4. Adapt the subject line a from "List census" to, say "William Jones of Ty Mawr Llanbethma" Looking forward to a FULL, 196 member, response, Regards Alwyn List Administrator --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 06/08/2004 ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhian Williams" <[email protected]> Subject: [CAE] Owen(s) of Ty'n Bryn, Dolwyddelan ...........The letter is about the Lloyd line but mentions that Gwen Owen, one of the daughters of Owen Owens and Elizabeth, married William Hughes, Gartherys (or similar) Betws y Coed. I think this should be 'Gartheryr'. Go to www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Betws-y-Coed; Gartheryr is south west of St Mary's Church and west of the Waterloo Hotel. Access (by foot) from behind the church The surrounding area was acquired by the Forestry Commission in the mid 1920s and Gartheryr was converted to a smallholding. The last tenant I remember, c. 1928/30 was an Idwal Hughes - a real character ! .........and also anything about Ty'n y Bryn itself, which later had a quarry on the land. For Ty'n Bryn search 'Old maps' for Dolwyddelan. The quarry was called 'Penllyn'; I don't know where this comes from as, so far as I know, there is no 'llyn' anywhere near the area. I expect Bill Jones can tell us ! All the best, Allen (Criccieth).

From: Berwyn Lloyd Williams, Westhill, Aberdeenshire My Lloyd family moved down the Conway valley in the 19th C starting (in my records) with JOHN LLOYD (Eidda & Penmachno) and GWEN DAVIES(Ysbyty Ifan). Their son JOHN LLOYD married MARGARET OWEN ROBERTS in 1850 in Bettws y Coed. She was the daughter of Owen Roberts of Pen yr Allt Isaf. They moved to Llanrwst where they lived in Scotland Street and Back Watling street. Their son OWEN LLOYD married MARGARET EVANS in 1880 in Llanrwst. Her father WILLIAM EVANS was a sawyer born in Llanbedr (Llanbedr y Cenin?) in 1806 and her mother was ELIZABETH from Capel Garmon. OWEN and his family moved to Bangor in the 1890's living in Cae Llepo and Pen Chwintan Terrace. As far as I know his son Frederick is the only child that stayed in Bangor, living in Glanadda until 1968. Future research: 1. The parents of Gwen Davies and John Lloyd 2. More information about the parents of Margaret Owen Roberts 3. More information about William Evans and his wife Elizabeth. 4. There may still be members of the Lloyd family living in Bangor. Berwyn Westhill Aberdeenshire

Rhian of Blaenau Ffestiniog I am interested in the family of Owen Owen(s) (1759-1836) of Ty'n y Bryn Dolwyddelan, my great-great-great-great grandfather who married in 1793 Elizabeth Lloyd of Cefnfaes, parish of Maentwrog (1771-1848). They had 13 children - William (my ggg grandfather 1798-1879 and subsequently of Cae Iago, parish of Maentwrog), John, Edmund Lloyd, Elizabeth, Owen, David Lloyd (two of the same name), Gwen, Richard Lloyd, Margaret (two of the same name), Morris and Robert. Owen's parents were John Owens who died in 1800 and Gwen Williams (1737-1814) and I believe John's father to be Owen Jones. Owen Owens' siblings were Margaret (1763-?) and William (1766-69) and possibly Robert. In Elizabeth Lloyd's father's will it explains that he is not leaving anything to the eldest grandson, John, because he will inherit his father's estate (in Dolwyddelan) but I am not sure whether this happened or not. Gweithiau Gethin says that Owen Owens was the last heir to live at Ty'n y Bryn since his son sold the land after his death (Gethin describes this as one of only three farms independently owned in the period, the remainder being Gwydir estate). Gethin also says that Owen Owens gave /sold land to the Calvinistic Methodists and the Annibynwyr to build their early chapels. In 1841 Elizabeth, the widow of Owen Owens, and two of their younger children are living in Ty'n y Bryn, having in the years before divided their time between Dolwyddelan and Gellilydan (Maentwrog), I think (according to the baptism of the children anyway). By 1851 the family is no longer there, though another Owen(s) family is. I don't know what happened to John, though a recent message on the Meirionnydd list suggests (if the same person) that he may have died before 1835, ie before his father, though the Tithe Map of 1841 lists John Owen as landowner of Ty'n y Bryn and Mary Owen as occupier, so I'm not sure. It is described as 131 acres with a tithe value of 15 shillings (much less than the other farms). Neither do I know what happened to most of the other children. There is (or at least was) a letter written by Bob Owen Croesor earlier in the 20th century to a Miss Lloyd Williams of Trofarth, Nefyn, who I think was descended from one of the children of Owen Owens - it passed to the hands of someone more closely related to me but then seems to have disappeared after I transcribed it in the early 1980's. The letter is about the Lloyd line but mentions that Gwen Owen, one of the daughters of Owen Owens and Elizabeth, married William Hughes, Gartherys (or similar) Betws y Coed with their children being Gwen, David, Margaret, Catherine (who married Thomas Williams) and Josiah. Catherine and Thomas's children are Catherine and Elizabeth - I wonder if this is the line of the Miss Lloyd Williams? I'd like to know more about this line in Betws y Coed, about any of the other children and also anything about Ty'n y Bryn itself, which later had a quarry on the land. Also of course if anyone knows anything of the earlier history of the family. Unfortunately only some of my information is easily available in a database - the remainder could be searched for in my copious written notes if anyone responds to this. Rhian

Rhian of Blaenau Ffestiniog My ggg grandfather Griffith Jones (1806-?), known as Gruffydd Sion, was a shoemaker in Trawsfynydd. It is said he came from Harlech around 1828 and was a Baptist. There is also a tradition that he had a brother called Sion Gruffydd and that going back generations there were Gruffydd Sion and Sion Gruffydd, every other. I know quite a bit about his children (Anne - see below, Griffith (1832-1904), Jane Griffiths (1841-1904) and Lowri (Laura) Griffiths (1844-1914) and grandchildren although am not in touch with other lines since the death of Griffith Jones Feidiog, Trawsfynydd who provided me with a lot of information. I know there are or were connections in the Midlands (England) and Denbighshire (Llanfwrog, Rhewl). I am descended from his daughter Ann(e) Jones (1934-1908) who married Robert Owen of Cae Iago, parish of Maentwrog (see separate email). My interest is finding out more about the Harlech roots - even finding a starting point (among Baptists in the area? or a house name) would be good. I have sent a message to the Meirionnydd list but am also sending this to the Caernarfonshire list since Anne his wife came from Llanarmon, Caernarfonshire, though I know nothing more of her other than she was born around 1806. Does this ring any bells with anyone? She might have been a Baptist but I don't know her maiden name, though assume, maybe wrongly, that she was married before 1828. She maybe therefore went from Llanarmon to Harlech rather than direct to Trawsfynydd. The first child I know of was born in 1832. Unfortunately only some of my information is easily available in a database - the remainder could be searched for in my copious written notes if anyone responds to this. This is the first of several emails in response to the List Census, trying to keep different strands of the family separate. Rhian

I appreciate your offer to help on my Williams problem. I was in Wild Rose yesterday guiding at the Wild Rose Museum. Even though I live in Madison, I was drafted to be President of the Wild Rose Historical Society. Besides guiding, I have been trying to make our archives more accessible by doing indexes and table of contents for documents, pictures or old news articles. You can go to www.1wildrose.com to get see information on the museum. Clip on attractions and then Pioneer Museum. If you would like to see the museum, I am willing to be there to show you through. We have many pictures of the Welsh settlers & some of their relatives from outside the immediate area. The reason they drafted me is because I have been working on a genealogical history of Wild Rose ( including the Towns of Mt. Morris, Rose, Springwater and part of the Town of Wautoma in Waushara Co. and part of Dayton in Waupaca Co., and part of Belmont in Portage Co. I have 38 stackable file drawers with information for old newspapers that I have read on microfilm, copied then clipped, dated, and sorted by family or subject. I am behind on my sorting and filing by at least two (10 ream size) boxes. I have photographed most of the cemeteries in the area of my research. I have some that I need to go back and take a trowel along so I can get the dates that are either under ground or too close to the ground for me to photograph. I know that my Pritchard side of the Thomas family absolutely came from Aberdaron from the Ty Howel farm. I believe the Thomas side also came from Aberdaron but I can't find the farm in the census. The farm means polluted water and is Pwll Llwrgr (the second part might be the wrong spelling). I think the literal translation is more like pond corrupted. I have found people buried in the Aberdaron cemetery with the farm name on the tombstone. The family came over in the 1818-19 time period. I do have an obituary in Welsh for Jane Pritchard which I mostly translated and then sent to a lady in Anglesey who has relatives that came to Wild Rose. If you run into anyone who knows about the Soar Church records that would be the greatest help because I don't have a birthdate for Mary Elizabeth. I should also say that my mother graduated a year earlier than you did but of course from Wild Rose. She was active in the band so she went to many of the tournaments they had in those days. In those days she was Beverly Murty. Thanks again for your offer of help. Pam Anderson

Hi List. I'm researching John Robert JONES born about 1848 in Caernarfon. His father was Robert JONES, an Iron Founder. John Robert moved to Crewe, Cheshire sometime before 1877 and worked in the Crewe Loco Works as an Engine Fitter. I have his life story after he arrived in Crewe but I know nothing about his life before he left Wales. Any info would be much appreciated. Alan Fairhurst. All messages checked by AVG by Grisoft. E:mail [email protected]