Hi, Apologies for the delay in updating the site, but I have had a couple of weeks off to recharge the batteries, plus I have been contributing the odd item for a new bottle collecting website/forum that's recently come online. For anyone with an interest in old bottles the link is at the end of this message, although you do have to register to participate. Anyway, the Carnarvon Alehouse Recognizances for 1798, 1799, & 1800 have been completed and can be seen in the Miscellaneous Section at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlsccaer/ Regards, Keith. Bottledigging.co.uk: http://www.bottledigging.co.uk/phpBB2/portal.php

1. My name is Doris A. Smith, and I live very near Houston, Texas, US. I'm searching for two JONES families and two WILLIAMS families and an OWEN family. Here is what I already know: 2. JONES and OWEN Hugh O. JONES - in 1871 Wales Census he was 24 years of age. His birthplace is listed at Llanfaelog, Anglesey, Wales. He is listed as the Head of the household and is a widower, and his occupation is listed as a laborer. I know that he came to the US in 1884 and landed in NY. I don't know how long he stayed there, but he moved to Chicago, ILL. He filled out his papers for naturalization 11 October 1884 at the Superior Cout of Cook Co., IL.. I do not know when he was actually naturalized Ann (Owens) JONES - in 1871 Census she was 3 years old. Her birthplace is given as Llanberis, Caernarvonshire, Wales, and she is listed as the daughter of Hugh O. JONES. She and her father, Hugh O. JONES came to America in 1884, landing in NY. I don't know how long she and her father stayed in NY, but they wind up in Chicago, ILL.. Ann and John H (below) were my great grandparents. My mother remembered Ann saying that the house they lived in in Wales was made of rock, and there was a lot of brass to be polished. There was a maid named Hannah whose job it was to polish the brass. Ann said that the house had been in the family for over 200 years (this was told in the 1940s). She said a lot of her family went to Australia, but didn't mention any family other than herself and her father coming to to US. John H(ugh) JONES and his brother Evan JONES came to the US in 1880 or 1881. They landed in NY and evidently remained there for a few years before moving to Chicago, ILL According to his Bible, John H. JONES was born 17 August 1860 in Llansanan, Denbighshire, Wales (although his tombstone gives his birth year as 1861). I do not know when Evan was born, nor do I know anything at all about him other than he worked with John. John H. JONES and Annie (as she was called then) JONES married in Chicago, IL 5 February 1887, and then moved to Omaha, NE. In Omaha, John and his brother Evan worked as contractors and had their own business, Omaha Slate and Roofing Co., Jones Bros. & Humphry, located at 604 Paxton Building, Omaha. John H. and Annie O. Jones were naturalized in 1887. According to Ann JONES' death certificate, (she died 15 June 1953), her mother's maiden name was Grace WILLIAMS. I know nothing else about her. Now, back to the 1871 Census of Wales. The members of the household were the above named Hugh JONES, head; Ann JONES, daughter; Mary OWENS, mother-in-law; Mary OWENS, daughter of (looks like "d") although I imagine it refers to the mother-in-law. THIS is perplexing to me - as the death certificate of Ann JONES says her mother's maiden name was WILLIAMS.. The person who provided information for the death certificate was the oldest daughter of John H. and Ann JONES, Catherine. This would certainly explain Ann's middle name of OWENS. Grace WILLIAMS remains a mystery to me. The 1871 Wales Census shows Mary OWENS as aged 48 and her birthplace as Llanddyfnan, Anglesey, Wales, and the other Mary OWENS aged 13, born in Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales. The entire household was living in the town of Coed y Ddal in the Civil Parish of Llanberis and the Registration District in the County of Caernarvonshire, at the time the 1871 Census was taken. The Census also shows that the Sub-registraton district was Llanrug, the ED, Institution or vessel of 11. The Census Page was 17 and the Folio was 81. The Household schedule number was 92. The address is Pen Y Graig, but I cannot decipher the number, as it looks to me like "h". WILLIAMS The first WILLIAMS I'd like to know about is the one mentioned above. My knowdedge of the other WILLIAMS family is as follows: Timothy WILLIAMS was born 5 February 1721 somewhere in Wales. I've seen Ruthin and Llangower or Llangow given as his origin before coming to US around 1740. This is basically all I know of him, and since he was the first of our WILLIAMS to come to America, I truly want to know more about him. 3. What I would like most about the families above is who their parents were, where they lived, what they did for a living, and anything that might give me a clue for further research. Thank you, Doris A. (Williams) Smith [email protected] ==== WLS-GWYNEDD Mailing List ==== Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi: This is it. No more coming. You now know as much as I do. EDWARD OWEN FAMILY 1792 , Aug. 19. Edward,S/O Robert Owen and Mary Holland Owen baptized in Llan Rhos. (Ed I) PR entry. 1813. April 30. Edward OWEN married Mary WILLIAMS , both o.t.p., in Llandrillo yn Rhos by banns withh consent of parents. Witnesses: Thomas Jones, John Hughes. Children of Edward (Ed 1) and Mary Owen: 1814 William - Jan. 16 (see separate section below ) (Wm 1) Troed y Bwlch,Llanrhos. 1816 John - March 3, Troed y Bwlch, Llanrhos - no information. 1818 Robert - May 17 , bapt. Pant-y-Ffynnon. Edward shown as Labourer - no information on Robert; 1821 Mary - July 1, parish of Llangwstenin - no information. 1826 Thomas - December 11 - Morfa, Llangwstenin - no information 1829 Mary Anna Nov. 29, (see below for future), Morfa, Llangwystennin . 1835 Jane (see below) (No record has been found of Jane’s baptism . (Possibly in chapel?) 1841 Census Nant-y-Gamar Edward Owen, Head ,45 (Ed 1) Mary Owen, 45 Mariana Owen, 11 (m. Joseph Hughes, builder - see below) Jane Owen, 6 (m. Elias Hughes and continued to live at Nant y Gamar Farm - see below) (Jane 1) Edward’s daughter Jane married Elias Hughes about 1855 but they did not take over the tenancy till after the death of Edward Owen. Elias Hughes was from Llangwstenin and was an agricultural worker/farmer. Jane died shortly after 1871 and Elias remarried Martha who was from the Bettws-y-Coed area. 1851 census: Nant y Gamar Farm Edward Owen, H, 56,Ag. Lab., Llandudno (Ed 1) Mary Owen, 60, Llandudno Jane Owen, Dtr. 13, Dressmaker, Llandudno (Jane 1) 1855 Mary Owen died at Nant-y-Gamar on April 3 of Dropsy. Age 63, wife of Edward Owen, AgLab. Present at death: Ellin Hobson, Nant y Gamar. Have cert. 1860 Maria Anna Owen, 29, d/o Edward Owen, gardener, m. Joseph HUGHES, 38, builder s/o Joseph Hughes, Builder by license in the Parish Church of Llandudno on April 17, 1860. Her address was GloddaethTerrace, his was Church Walks. Witnesses: Richard Jones, Anne Roberts. I have marriage certificate. She signs as Maria Anna Owen and is d/o Edward Owen, Gardener. 1861 census: Joseph Hughes, 38, stonemason, Ocean View 09, CAE 32 Mariana Hughes, 30, Ocean View 09, CAE55 ( d/o Edward (Ed 1) and Mary Owen) Anne Jones, 28, Servant,U,LIV/LAN 1861 census: Nant y Gamar Farm (Mary Williams Owen has died and dtr. Jane has married Elias Hughes.) Edward Owen, H, 66, Wid., Ag.Lab, Llandudno (Ed 1) Elias Hughes, S/law, 27, Ag.Lab, Llangwstenin Jane Hughes, Dtr, 26 , Llandudno (Jane 1) Mary Hughes, Granddaughter, 5, Llandudno Hugh Hughes, Grandson, 1, Llandudno Rebecca Williams, Servant, 16, Gen. Servant, Llandudno 1871 census: Nant y Gamar Farm Elias Hughes, labourer, 38, Llangwstenin Jane Hughes, 36, Llandudno (Jane 1) Mary Hughes, 15 “ Mary Hughes married John Edwards in 1880 at age 23. Children of Mary and John Edwards 1885 Helena Alice Helena married Harold Banks in Liverpool in 1911 and shortly emigrated to Melbourne, Australia Helena had a son who married and they had a son, John Banks, who now lives in Australia (Victoria) 1890 Albert John. Albert John is said to have died in the First World War Mary Hughes Edwards d.Dec. 30, 1891, age 36 Hugh Hughes, 11 “ Margaret Hughes, 9 1881 census: Nant y Gamar Farm (Jane Owen Hughes has died and Elias has remarried Martha) Elias Hughes, 47,farmer, Llangwstenin, d. 1915, Feb.11, 80 - Dean of Bethania Chapel Martha Hughes, 40,Penmachno, d. June 18, 1905 age 66 Hugh Hughes, 21, Gen.. Servant,Llandudno William Hughes, 6 Llandudno - moved to Castell y Gwyfryn Robert Hughes, 5 “ = died May 11, 1930, age 54 Owen Hughes, son, 3 “, died Feb. 11, 1955 age 77 (grandson is Ken Kyffin, Harrow) Elizabeth Hughes, dtr. 2, Llandudno Ellen Hughes, dtr. 1, Llandudno John Jones, Servant,, 29, Indoor serv. Abergerle BORN AFTER CENSUS: Annie, b. 1886, m. William Howard Thomas, d. 1970, 84 John , killed in 1914-18 war, age 26 1881, February 5. Mariana Owen Hughes (dtr. of Ed 1) died at the age of 51 and was buried in the churchyard of Capel Einion chapel, Glanwydden, Llangystennin, plot A 033. 1881: 1 East Parade Villa, Llandudno Jos. HUGHES, W, 58 M Llandudno, Head, Builder Contractor Farmer of 17 Acres Joseph B. Hughes, U, 19, Llandudno, Son, Joiner Mary Anne Hughes, U, 17, F, Llandudno, Dtr. House Keeper Edward R. Hughes, 15 M. Llandudno, Son, Painter John Hughes, 13, M, Llandudno, Son, Office Boy (Mess.) Samuel Gladstone Hughes, 12, Llandudno, Son, Scholar W. Alfred Hughes, 8, Llandudno, Son, Scholar 1904, Feb. 9, Joseph Hughes died at the age of 82 and was buried with his wife, Mariana at Capel Einion.. 1905, February 14, Mary Anne Hughes, dtr. of Mariana and Joseph Hughes, died at age 41 and was buried with her parents in Lot A033 at Capel Einion. WILLIAM OWEN - son of Edward and Mary (Williams) Owen (Wm. 1) 1839, November 2. William Owen, s/o Edward Owen of Nant y Gamar and Margaret Owen, d/o Edward Owen m. in the parish church of Landrilllo yn Rhos. Both were hired servants: He, Bwlch, Eglwys Rhos, She, Dinerth Isaf, Llandrillo parish.. Witnesses: John Owen and Sarah Davies. Both fathers were labourers. Have cert. (Margaret Owen was baptised August 28, 1814, d/o Edward and Margaret Owen of Fford. Parish of Llandrillo yn Rhos. Edward is a Labourer.) PR entry 1841 census Cae Ddiol , Eglwys Rhos William Owen, 25 (Wm. 1) Margaret, Edward, son, 1 (Ed 2) b. 22 April, 1840 1851 census shows: Pen-yr-Allt (or Nant y Gamar 3) William Owen ,39, Ag.Lab, CAE55 Margaret Owen, Wife , 34, DEN25 (Llandrillo yn Rhos) - d. Jan 24, 1867, age 61 Edward Owen, son, 10, CAE55 (Ed 2) Jane Owen, dtr.,8, CAE32 b. 1842-43 (Jane 2) (m. David Evans, below) Mary Owen, mother, Widow (Mary Owen d, 1855 at age 63). 1861 census shows: Pen yr Allt (Nant y Gamar 5) William Owen, 47, Ag.Lab, Llangwstenin (Wm 1) Margaret Owen,46, Llandrillo Edward Owen,21 Ag.Lab, Eglwysrhos(Ed 2) 1863, Sept. 2. Edward Owen (Ed 2), 23, Plasterer, Nant y Gamar, s/o William Owen, Labourer, m. Margaret Hughes, 21, domestic servant, Pen Mynydd, Llandudno, d/o John Hughes, Engineer, at Carmel Chapel, Conway, according to the rites and ceremonies of the Independents. Witnesses: Richard Roberts and Jane Thomas.. Had 12 children 1863, 5 December. Ed 2 and Margaret had son, Owen, who died 13 April, 1905 in Chicago. \ 1865. Ed 2 and Margaret had son, William, who died age 4 in 1869. Between 1861 and 1871 William and Margaret’s dtr. Jane Owen (Jane 2) married David Evans. Second cottage built at Pen yr Allt for them.. 1871 census shows: Pen yr Allt William Owens, 57, Labourer, Llanrhos Margaret Owens, 56, Llandrillo 1871 census shows a second cottage at Pen yr Allt occupied by : David Evans, 33, Stonemason , Llangernyw Jane Evans, 28, Llandudno (Jane Owen, Wm. & Margaret’s dtr., Jane 2) Hugh Thomas Evans, 6,Llandudno, Margaret E. Evans, 3, “ William O. Evans, 1, “ Edward Evans, 10 mos. “ 1871 census also shows: Nant y Gamar Cottage EDWARD OWENS, H. 30 PLASTERER, LLANDUDNO (SON OF WILLIAM, BRO. OF JANE EVANS,GRANDSON OF EDWARD 1 (ED 2) Margaret Owens, 29, Llandudno Owen Owens, son, 7 (see below) Edward Owens, son, 3 “ (Ed 3) b. 27 Dec. 1867, died at sea San Francisco Bay, 25 May,1901 William Owens, son, 1 “ b. 16 Sept. 1865, drowned in garden water tank, 22 June, 1869, age 3 (Wm 2) Edward Owens, Cousin, 24, M, Hse/Carpenter, Liverpool (now who’s this one?) 1876 - January 24, Margaret Owen, w/o William Owen died at age 61 of valvular disease of the heart, many years. Apoplexy - 4 days. certified by James Nicol. M.D.. Edward Owens, son, present at the death. Nant y Gamar, Llandudno] 1877 - December 13, William Owen, Wid. 63, of Pen rallt, Nant y Gamar, m. Bridget Carriey, 35, domestic servant, Parade Hotel, Church Walks, Llandudno, d/o Bryan Carriey, farmer at the Tabernacle Chapel, Conway. Present: Joseph Hughes, Sarah Anne Reeves. Have cert. 1881 census: William Owen, 67, car prop., Llandudno Bridget Owen, 37, Dublin 1881 census: Pen yr Allt David Evans, 44, Stonemason,Llandudno Jane Evans, 39, Llandudno (JANE 2) Huw Thomas Evans,16, Mason “ Margaret E. Evans, 14 William Owen Evans, 12 EdwardEvans, 11 Mary Jane Evans, 7 (m. Owen Evans) Suzannah Evans, 2 Sarah Anne Evans, 3 months . The Evans Family continued to live at Pen yr Allt. Tenancy passed to Owen Evans who married Mary Jane Evans, dtr. of David and Jane Owen Evans. 1881 census: Nant y Gamar Cottage Edward Owens, H, 40, Plasterer, Llandudno (ED 2) SON OF WM., GRANDSON OF EDWARD & MARY Margaret Owens, 39, Llandudno Owen Owens, 18 Labourer, (m.Dorothy Davies Dec. 24, 1884. They lived at 1 Craig-y-Don Cottages and had 3 children: Margaret, 17th Oct. 1886 (m.. Fred Bunby, Manchester. Aug. 1912) Children of Margaret and Frederick Bunby Robert Dorothy ) Frederick ) Mona (m. John Francis Hawes, had children: Brenda and Alan & a granddaughter, Karen, who lives in Australia ) Mabel (m. James McAinsh, 2 dtrs. Barbara and had daughter, Lynda, who m.. Christopher Couch) Gladys Edward, b . 2 Sept. 1888 (Ed 4) m. Elizabeth Jones, and had: Robert Stephen (m. Ivy Knibbs, had dtr. Doreen) Gordon (m. Phyllis May Edmunds and had: Norman Edward (m. Pamela Buckland, 2 sons: Roland Huw Edward and Tudor Matthew Rees) Vivienne Owen (m. Philip Vivian Carter 3 children: Alison, Judith, Jonathan) Edward (4) Killed in France in 1915 Stephen, b. 26 Dec. 1889 (possibly adopted) Edward Owens, 13 (Ed 3) William Owens, 11, b. 27 Dec. 1869. His mother was pregnant with him when his brother drowned. (Wm 2) Hu (gh) Owens, 9, b. 25 Dec. 1871, d. 4 April, 1892 age 20/21 Margaret Owens, 7 , b. 23 Nov. 1873, d. 19 May 1927, age 53 (m. T. H. Roberts, had son Thomas Charles, b. 1898-99) Jane Owens, 6 b. 25 Oct. 1875, d. 14 Mar.. 1962, age 86 (M. Hugh Hughes) (Jane 3) Mary Ellen Owens, 3 b. 3 Nov. 1877, d. 6 April 1901 age 23 Thomas, son, 1 b. 16 Oct. 1879 BORN AFTER CENSUS: Sarah Ann, around 1882 1883, 26 March Cordelia, who died July 18, 1893 age 10 from eating poisonous berries. 1886-1887, Marie 1891 census: Fern Cottage, Craig-y-Don William Owen, Head, 76, carriage proprietor, Llandudno Curry (sp?), Wife, 45 Ireland, Dublin Edward A. Hughes, Lodger, H., 25, House Painter, Llandudno Clara Hughes, Wife, 27, Llandudno Joseph Hughes, son, 6, Llandudno Clara A. Hughes, dtr, 4, Llandudno Clara (could be wrong), dtr., 5, Llandudno 1891 census: Nant-y-Gamar Edward Owen (Ed 2), Head, 50, Plasterer Margaret Owens, Wife, 47 Owen Owen, son25, Plasterer Hugh Owens, son, , age unreadable Thomas Owens, son, 10 Mary Ellen , dtr. 14 Sarah Ann, dtr. , 8 (death reg. found at age 9) Marie Owen, dtr. 4 (Jane and Cordelia gone) 1896 January 8. William Owen,78 (he lied he was 84), cab driver, Woodland House, Victoria Street, Llandudno, m. Ellen Williams, 52, widow, of Deganway, Llanrhos, d/o Thomas Thomas, dec., farmer and inn Keeper at the Register Office, Deganway. Witnesses: GW Post, T. Williams. (could be J. W. Post.) Have cert. 1901 census: Nant y Gamar Edward Owen, Head, 60, Plasterer Margaret Owens, 59, Wife Jane Owen, 25, dtr. Thomas Owen, son, 21 1901 census - William does not appear, but he should. He was living at 6 Council Street at the time of his death in 1902. 1902, Dec. 25 William Owen (Wm 1) died at age 88 of heart disease at 6 Council Street, Eglwys Rhos, a lodging house. Buried in Llanrhos cemetary according to MI, which gives death at age 78. His son, Edward (Ed 2) is said to be the informant. He is described as a cab driver and his residence is Nant y Gamar. Have cert. 1904 Margaret Owen died Feb. 9, age 63 (wife of Ed 2) 1910 Mary Jane Evans died, buried in Llanrhos 1913 Oct. 15. Edward Owen died (Ed 2) age 73 at Nant y Gamar cottage, Llandudno, of pulmonary congestion, senility and heart failure. Certified by T. V. Lockhart. Present at death, Hugh Hughes, son-in-law. Edward described as master plasterer. Have cert . Ed 2’s and Margaret’s daughter, Jane, continued living at the Cottage after her marriage to Hugh Hughes from Anglesey. .Hugh and Jane Owens Hughes had 3 daughters: Dorothy Hughes (m. John Roberts from Llandudno, who was employed by the District Council and had a dtr. named Cynthia. Margaret Hughes (m. Joseph Hobson of Bryn Goleu and moved there with her sister Mary Alice) Mary Alice Hughes There was a son, Edward Hughes, who died in 1917 AT AGE 7 1953 Hugh Hughes died, buried in Llanrhos 1962 Jane Hughes died, buried in Llanrhos Dottie Lutz, Philadelphia, USA

MARGARET ROBERTS/WILLIAM HUGHES LINE Somewhere around 1863 William Hughes, s/o William and Grace Hughes of Letty y Gath, Llangwysenin, married Margaret Roberts, d/o William and Mariana Roberts of Pant y Ffynnon, Nant y Gamar, Eglwys Rhos. 1863, Dec. 9, Mariana Hughes was born, baptised Jan 10, 1864,at Pant y Ffynnon. Have certificate 1865, Oct. 29, Margaret baptised at Letty y Gath. Llan Rhos PR trans. 1867, Aug. 18, Grace baptised at Letty y Gath. 1870 ?? William Hughes born 1871 Census: Letty y Gath William Hughes, Head, 23, Wheelwright, Llangwstenin Margaret Hughes, Wife, 22, b. Llandudno Mariana, dtr, 8, scholar, b. Llandudno Margaret, dtr. , 5, b. Letty y Gath, Llangwstenin Grace, dtr, 2, b. Letty y Gath William, 1, b. Letty y Gath Grace, mother, Widow, 70, Copper Miner’s wife 1872, Oct. 26, Jane Hughes bapt. Letty y Gath. (shows as Ann Jane on 1881 census) 1875, Elizabeth, born March 21 Letty y gath, bapt. April 25. Have cert. 1881 census shows: Letty y Gath, Llangwstenin William Hughes, 44, M. Llangwstenin, Head, Wheelwright Margaret Hughes 45, M, Llandudno, Wife William Hughes, 11, M. Son, Scholar, b. Llangwstenin Ann Jane Hughes, 8, tr., scholar Elizabeth Hughes, 8, dtr. scholar Sarah I. Hughes, 3, Llangwstenin David Hughes, 7, M. Llangystenin, son Grace Hughes, W, 80, F, Conway, Cae.,, Mother, Ag Lab W 1889, June 9. Merianna Hughes, 25, Domestic Servant, Maelgwyn View, Llangystenin, d/o William Hughes, Wheelwright (and margaret Roberts) married William Hughes, 26 years, Wheelwright, Cilmytyn Bach, Eglwys Rhos, s/o Robert Hughes, deceased, Joiner at the Register Office in Conway by Certificate. Witnesses: David Williams, Margaret Hughes. Cannot find Merianna/Mariana and William Hughes in 1891 census. 1891 census: William Hughes, H., 54, Wheelwright, Carnarfon, Llangwstenin Margaret Hughes, W, 56, b. Llangwstenin Grace, dtr., 23, waitress, Elizabeth, dtr, 16, general domestic Sarah, 13, scholar David, 10, son, scholar 1901 census: Maelgwyn View, Postal district Bryn Pydew William Hughes, H. 63, Carpenter, employment: own account, b. Llangystynen. Margaret Hughes, Wife, 65, b. Llangystenyn David Hughes, son, 20, Milk Seller, worker working at home, Llangystenyn Lizzie Daives (sp?), niece, 1901 census shows: Gloddaeth View: William Hughes, H. 38, b. Llangwstenin Marianna Hughes, W, 37, b. Llangwstenin Robert, b. Llanrhos, 9 Maggie, b. Llanrhos, 4 Gwilym b. Llanrhos, 6mos. Thomas Davies, boarder, 29, b. Llangwstenin. (This Marianna is the daughter of Margaret Roberts and William Hughes.): 1910 Robert Hughes, s/o William and Marianna Hughes, was buried at age 18 in St. Cwstennin Churchyard. MI 1912 William Hughes father of Robert Hughes and husband of Marianna Hughes, was buried in St. Cwstennin Churchyard. MI 1951 Marianna Hughes was buried in St. Cwstennin Churchyard at age 87. Her death notice says that she lived in the area all her life and that she had a daughter, M. Wright and a granddaughter. Cannot trace marriages for Maggie/Margaret and a man named Wright, nor any for Gwilym. Death certificate states date of death is fourth January, 1951 at Rosa House, Church Walks, Llandudno. Widow of William Hughes, a joiner. Cause of death: (a) Hypostatic Pneumonia (b) congestive cardiac failure, (c) senility. Certified by C. Conyngham. W.M. Jones, granddaughter present at death. Rosa House, Church Walks, Llandudno. MYSTERY HUGHSES: 1866 Richard Owen HUGHES, s/o Owen and Jane Hughes bapt. May 24 Margaret Ellen Hughes, s/o Owen and Jane bapt. May 24 Twins baptized from the abode of Pant-y-Ffynnon. I can’t connect these Hugheses with my family yet. In 1925 Long after my family was connected with Pant-y-Ffynnon it was tenanted for a time by an Arthur Hughes. Who is he and what is the connection? Only one family left to go! Dottie Lutz, Philadelphia, USA

Hi: Here's another branch of my family. Two more to go. CATHERINE ROBERTS/ROBERT SALISBURY LINE August, 2004 Catherine Roberts, d/o William Roberts, Labourer, b. 1832, m. David Edwards, widowed 1857, married Robert Salisbury, s/o David Salisbury, Gardener, April 13,1866 in Eglwys Rhos Parish Church. Witnesses Edwin Salisbury and Margaret Pritchard. Have cert. 1869 December 16. Mariana Susannah, d/o Robert Salisbury, gamekeeper and Catherine Salisbury late Edwards formerly Roberts, born. Address Pen-y-Parc, Eglwys Rhos. Have cert. 1871 census for Eglwys Rhos shows: Gloddaeth Cottage: Robert Salisbury, Head, Gamekeeper, Denbighshire, Llanfair(?) (Rob 1) Catherine Salisbury, Wife, 39 Llandudno Catherine Edwards, dtr.,14, Llandudno (Catherine’s dtr. from first marriage to D. Edwards) David Salisbury, 4,Llandudno Robert Salisbury, 3, Eglwys Rhos Rob 2 Marianna Susannah Salisbury, 1, Eglwys Rhos 1877 March 31. Catherine Edwards, 19, Domestic Servant, St.. George’s Crescent,d/o David Edwards( and Catherine Roberts Edwards Salisbury?), m. Owen Evans, 20, farm labourer, Fern Cottage, back of Bodafon Road, Eglwys Rhos, s/o Owen Evans, Quarryman, at The Tabernacle Chapel, Conway, according to the rights and ceremonies orf Wesleyan Methodists by License. Witnesses: Thomas Evans, Jane Williams. (I think she’s mine, the father is correct). Have cert. 1880 about - Robert Salisbury (senior) died. 1881 census for Eglwys Rhos shows: Fferm Bach Cottage: Catherine Salisbury, Widow, 49, Head, Laundress, Llandudno David, son, 15 Ag.Lab, Eglwys Rhos (went to Bodafon School) d.1883 Robert, son, 13, scholar, Eglwys Rhos Rob 2 Susannah, 12, dtr., Eglwys Rhos John, son, 9, Llandudno (went to Bodafon School, farm worker, worked at Carreg Llithrigg farm) 1883 David Salisbury, 18, labourer died of injuries accidentally received by his foot becoming entangled in steam threshing machine. Have cert. 1891 census for Eglwys Rhos shows: Lower Pant-y-Wennol: Catherine Salisbury, Head, Widow, Charwoman, Llandudno Robert, son, single, 25 Labourer, Llandudno, Rob.2 While at Lower Pant Catherine and her family would have known the Harris family, one of whom was Elizabeth Ann, who later married Robert Salisbury (Jr.). 1893 Robert Salisbury, 28, Quarryman, Labourer, Llandudno, s/o Robert Salisbury, Keeper, married Elizabeth Ann Harris (1867), 27, Llandudno, d/o Robert Harris, Painter. Witnesses: John Salisbury and Gaynor Roberts. 1894 March 29, Catherine Maria, d/o Mariana Susannah Salisbury. No father given. 3 Pant-y-Wenol Terrace, Llandudno. Address: 3 Pant y Wenol Terrace. Have cert. 1894 February 4, John Salisbury, 22, Baker, Pant-y-Wenol, s/o Robert Salisbury, Gamekeeper, married Elizabeth Williams, 22 Llandudno, d/o David Williams, labourer. Witnesses: Andrew Thomson, Susannah Salisbury. Have cert. 1895 April 3, Mary Elizabeth Salisbury, d/o John and Elizabeth Salisbury born. Address:Holland 1896 Catherine Salisbury, d/o John and Elizabeth born in Penrhynside. 1898 - Agnes Salisbury, d/o Mariana Susannah Salisbury, born August 28,1898 at Pant-y-Wennol. 1899 July 21. Catherine Mary Salisbury, d/o Elizabeth Ann Salisbury and Robert Salisbury, born at Pant. 1899 (about) Ellen, d/o John and Elizabetrh, b. Llandudno. 1900 - Agnes Salisbury died in March quarter, 1900 She was 1 yr. old. 1901 Census shows: Penrhynside, 3 Woodbine Ter. Robert Salisbury, Head, 33, stone mason, born Penrhyn. Rob 2 Elizabeth Ann, Wife, 34, born Llandudno David, son, 8,born Llandudno around 1894 had left and moved to Llandudno by 1907 Sarah E. ,5,born Penrhyn about 1891 (Sarah Ellen married Edgar B. Tench; they moved to live at No. 8 Mt. Pleasant and were in residence there by 1939. Edgar and Sarah Tench had 3 children: John Salisbury Tench who died in infancy Jean Tench, who was elected “Victory Queen” for the May Day and Victory celebrations at the end of the war - she later married and moved to Llandudno Junction Edgar Bryan Tench, who remained with his mother at Mt. Pleasant after the death of his father Margaret Elizabeth (1897)., b. Llandudno Catherine M. dtr., 1, born Llandudno (Catherine Mary (Kitty) (1899) married Evan Jones of Llandudno at Llanrhos in 1919, later emigrated to Canada) Dibble Catherine, Mother, Widow, 69, Charwoman, Llandudno, Dollie Salisbury, Relative, 3, Llandudno. WHO IS SHE? 1901, JUNE 26.. Mariana Salisbury, d/o Robert and Elizabeth Ann Salisbury born. (Mariana married Peter Cooke in 1927) Address: 3 Woodbine Terrace, Penrhynside. Have cert. 1901 Census for Eglwys Rhos also shows: 4 Council St. John Salisbury, Head, 29, Baker, Llandudno Elizabeth, Wife, 31, Port Dimornic Mary, dtr. 5, Llandudno Kity, dtr., 4, born Llandudno (Catherine) Ellen, dtr. 2, b. Llandudno David Edwards, Boarder, single, 40, stonemason, born Cardigan, Aberystwyth. 1901 January 28,Susannah Salisbury, 28, 22 Craven Place, d/o Robert Salisbury, gamekeeper, deceased, m. Thomas George, 28 Soldier, 22 Craven Place, s/o Thomas George, Foil Cutter in Parish Church of Birkenhead. Witnesses: William Pilling and Margaret George. This is Mariana Susannah Salisbury, d/o Robert and Elizabeth Salisbury. 1901 Census for Birkenhead shows: 18 Bannong St., Birkenhead, Parish: St. Peter. Thomas George, Head, Dock Board Labourer, 28, b. Cheshire, Birkenhead. Susannah George, Wife, 28 born Wales, Llandudno Catherine M. Salisbury, 7, Dtr. born Wales, Llandudno. Around 1903 Robert and Elizabeth Ann Salisbury had moved to No. 7 Mt. Pleasant . Briefly they shared the house with Robert George and Anne Harris, who then moved to #10. David (1894( by 1907 moved to Llandudno Sarah Ellen (1896) (m. Edgar Tench) Margaret Elizabeth (1897) Catherine Mary (1899) (married Evan Jones of Llandudno at Llanrhos in 1919, later emigrated to Canada) Mariana Susannah (1902) m. Peter Cooke Jane (1907) - married Leonard Shaw. Robert John - (Bob Soss) (1908) married Margaret Louise Evans (also b. 1908) (Maggie Evans) Children of Robert John and Maggie Salisbury: Merfyn, John, Billy, Robert 1910 Catherine Roberts Edwards Salisbury died January 16 age 81. She had been living with John and Hannah Roberts at Ty Cerrig (formerly Tyddyn-y-Bluan, Howard House, Windy Ridge). 1919 Sept. Catherine Mary (Kitty) Salisbury m. Evan Jones in Llanrhos. Later emigrated to Canada. 1927 Mariana Salisbury, 26, 4 Mt. Pleasant, Penrhynside, d/o Robert Salisbury, Bricklayer, m. Peter Cooke, 24 bricklayer, 8 Victor Road, Colwyn Bay, s/o Peter Cooke. Witnesses, Sarah E. Salisbury, Edgar Tench, Robert Salisbury. Have cert. At some point John and Elizabeth Salisbury’s daughter, Ellen (Nellie) married William Hudson and moved to Berwyn Cottages, Bryngwynt Lane. By the outbreak of WWII they took over one of the Berwyn Cottages and named it Hillbury. By 1946 they had left Penrhynside but returned later to live at No. 1 Mt. Pleasant. At some point they lived at No. 2 Mt. Pleasant for about 20 years from the early 1970s to mid-1990s. Peter and Mariana Cooke lived at Erw Coed farm with William Jones after the death of his wife, Elizabeth Jones in July of 1928. William Jones died in November 1937 age 83. Peter and Mariana remained at Erw Coed until 1945. 1935 - Elizabeth Ann Harris Salisbury died 1940 - Robert Salisbury died. Rob 2 After Robert Salisbury died the house was occupied by William Salisbury and Leonard and Jane Shaw. Jane Shaw died in January1959 and Leonard Shaw continued to live at No. 7 until after 1985. 1946 Edgar Tench died at age 46 1973 January, Sarah Ellen Salisbury Tench died age 77 Dottie Lutz, Philadelphia, USA

Hi: Here's the next branch of my family Margaret Williams was born Margaret Owen, d/o of Robert and Mary Owen in 1788. PARRY/OWEN/WILLIAMS/ROBERTS/HANSON FAMILIES I believe that the Parry family and the Pritchard families are related to the Owens, but I don’t know how yet.. Ty’n Rhewl: 1719 - Evan JONES 1737 - John EVANS 1761, Sept. 3. William PARRY m.Catherine ROBERTS at Llanrhos on 3 Sept. 1761. 2 sons, Enoch (b. 1766) and Richard - who cannot be found in parish register transcriptions. (There is also a William Parry who married a Magdelen Roberts on July 21, 1766 in Llandudno parish register booklet. Witnesses Thomas Roberts and William Mark. Connection?) 1785 - in August son, Owen was born to William PARRY and Margaret PRITCHARD, who was living at Ty’n Rhewl at the time. 1789, May 25. William Parry, Widower m. Margaret Williams, Widow. Llandudno. Owen Williams, Roger Williams, witnesses.. (connected?) 1808 - held in joint tenancy of William Parry and Richard PARRY. Since I cannot find a trace of son Richard Parry’s baptism could he be a brother ? Relatives & family living at Tyn’Rhewl during Parry tenancy were Magdalene ROBERTS, who died on January 5,1789 and William EVANS who died in August 1794. 1817, May 17, Wm. PARRY, Ty’n Rhewl, died and he was buried in Llanrhos. Tenancy passed to William and Margaret WILLIAMS. William WILLIAMS from Llangwstenin married Margaret OWEN, d/o Robert and Mary OWEN, of Llanrhos on March 20, 1813. (Llanrhos PR booklet) 1825, May 16. Llandudno PR shows burial of Margaret Williams alias PARRY, Ty’n Rhewl. Children of William and Margaret Williams: 1813, June 27 - Robert, from Llandudno parish register. Born at Pant y Ffynnon. He moved from home to live in Liverpool where he married and had a daughter, Margaret, born in 1846. In 1851 she was living with William and Margaret Williams and family at age 5. 1815, March 27 - Jane 1817 - Mary, started work on the farm, moved away and trained to be a school teacher. Returned home by 1881 and died there in October, 1899 and was buried at Llanrhos. 1824 - William, remained on the farm. Married Elizabeth HUGHES, d/o John Hughes of Penrhynside on March 16, 1850 but died 2 years later and was buried at Llanrhos. 1829 - Gabriel,March 22. Gabriel later took over tenancy of Ty’n Rhewl. 1830 - Margaret, stayed at home but died in 1855. Buried at Llanrhos1855. 1841 census: Ty’n Rhewl William Williams, 45, Farmer Margaret Williams, 51 Margaret Williams, 14 Gabriel Williams, 11 Rich? Thomas, 25, Ag.Lab ??? Mary Williams, 20, John Williams, 20 1851 Census - Ty’n Rhewl: William Williams, farmer Margaret, Wife Margaret Williams, Dtr., M, 31, born CAE 55. Gabriel, 20 (Gabriel 1) Margaret, granddaughter, 5, born LIV/LAN. She would be Robert Williams’ daughter. DAUGHTER, MARY, WAS AWAY AT SCHOOL STUDYING TO BE A TEACHER. 1852 - William , who died two years after marriage to Elizabeth HUGHES. 1855 - Margaret WILLIAMS died at age 25. (There are too many Margarets here and the ages don’t compute) 1855 - May 31, Gabriel WILLIAMS (Gabriel I) married Ellen EVANS, d/o John Evans from Llanrhaiadr at Llanrhos Children: 1855, July - Richard 1857 William 1860 - John, became a farm worker and worked for many years at Pen-y-Ffordd Farm, Bodafon. John died in 1931 1863 - Robert 1865 - Gabriel(Gabriel II) , once a shoemaker, also a farm worker for 20 years at Pen-y-Ffordd Farm,Bodafon. Married Jane Thomas in 1887. 1867 - Edward, became a cab driver and married Ellen Roberts, below 1870 - Isaac 1874 - George, later tenancy passed to him 1875 - Margaret Ellen 1860 - William WILLIAMS died at 70 in May. 1861 Census - Ty’n Rhewl: Margaret Williams, Head, Widow, farmer Mary, daughter, Single, teacher Gabriel, son, Married, Agl. Ellen Williams, DL, (born DEN 08 - Llanrhaiadrr) Richard Williams, grandson, 6 William, Williams, grandson, 4 John Williams, grandson, 7 mos. 1871 census: Ty’n Rhewl Margaret Williams, Head, W, 80, Llandudno Mary Williams, Dtr., 53 Gabriel, son, 41, Eleanor, Dtr.in law, 36 Richard, 15, grandson William, grandson, 14 John, grandson, 10 Robert, grandson, 8 Gabriel, grandson,6 Edward, grandson, 4 Isaac, grandson, 1 Margaret Jane Roberts, 9, niece, Llan Rhos All others said to be born in Llandudno 1875 - Robert WILLIAMS, first born son of Margaret Owen and William Williams, died. Age 62. 1877 - Margaret Owen WILLIAMS died at age 89. Eglwys Rhos Parish Register shows burial of Margaret Williams, Ty’n Rhewl, Llandudno, March 19, 1877. 1877 - November, Gabriel 1 took over tenancy.of Ty’n Rhewl 1880 - Gaynor ROBERTS, d/o.Edward Roberts and Mary Williams Roberts, born Feb. 8. She married William Hanson. They lived at 2 Pen-y-Parc Terrace and had one son, Edward Henry. ( (Gaynor belongs to another Roberts family (ancestors of a friend of mine) but is included here because there is a later connection with Williams family)) 1881 - Census - Ty’n Rhewl: Gabriel Williams, H. 51, farmer of 15 acres, Llandudno Ellen, wife Gabriel, 16 son (Gabriel II) Edward, 14 Isaac, 11 George, 7 Margaret Ellen, 6 Mary Williams, U, 63, school mistress, Llandudno Margaret Jane Roberts, U. 19, visitor , Dressmaker, Llandudno WHO IS SHE? 1887 - Gabriel Williams, 21, Farmer, Llandudno, s/o Gabriel Williams, Farmer m. Jane Thomas , Llandudno, d/o Thomas Thomas, shoemaker on October 19 at St. George’s Church. Witnesses: Thomas Hughes, Maggie Williams. 1891 - Census - Ty’n Rhewl: Gabriel Williams (1) Head Ellen Williams, wife Edward, son, cab driver Isaac, son, plasterer George, worked on the farm Margaret Ellen Mary Williams, sister 1891 - Gabriel (II) then at Carreg Llithrig Cottage and later obtained tenancy of this cottage. At age 24 he is living here with his wife, Jane, and their children: Children: 1888, Mary Jane (married a Jones, was widowed and in 1920 married William HANSON, below. 1889, Gabriel (III) 1892, Ellen (married Owen OWENS at LlanRhos December 1917) 1896, Ann (later married Evan Richard Jones) 1898, Margaret (married a Williams (?), children: Margaret, Tudno & Benjamin. 1900, Winifred 1895 - Edward WILLIAMS,26, cabdriver, Ty’n Rhewl, Llandudno,s/o Gabriel Williams, farmer, married Ellen ROBERTS, 25, Summer Bank, Llandudno,d/o Daniel Roberts, Labourer, at Parish Church of Llandudno, on May 18. Witnesses: Isaac Williams, Gaynor Roberts. 1899 - Edward and Ellen (Roberts ) WILLIAMS had moved to No. 2 Neville Place. Children: 1896 Margaret Ellen, April 26 1897 Gladys, April 6 1899 - William George (died at 14 months), b. January 1 1901 - Ada - May 26 Have cert. Alfred?? Could be the Alfred who was the last tenant of Ty’n Rhewl. See last page 1899 - Mary WILLIAMS, schoolteacher, died at 81 1899 - March. Gabriel WILLIAMS (1) died age 69 1901 - census - Carreg Llithrig: Gabriel Williams, 35, (Gabriel II), farm laborer, Ty’n Rhewl, b. Llangwstenin (?) Jane, wife, 30, b. Pen-y-Groes Mary, dtr., 13, b. Carreg Llithrig no information Gabriel, son, 11 no information John, son, 9 no information Ellen, daughter, no information Annie, dtr., 5 - married Evan Richard Jones, see below Margaret, dtr. 3 no information Winifred (??) 1, dtr. no information 1909 - Ellen Evans WILLIAMS died age 76 in April Tenancy of Ty’n Rhewl passed to George WILLIAMS Richard and Isaac remained at Ty’n Rhewl along with John’s widow, Winifred. Margaret Ellen m. Joseph PARRY and they lived here also. 1911 2 Pan-y-Parc Terrace occupied by William and Gaynor Hanson and son, Edward Henry. 1912 - Gaynor (Roberts) and William HANSON’S son, Edward Henry, died in December - 6 mos. old. 1916 - Anne WILLIAMS, d/o Gabriel Williams, Quarryman, Penn-y-ffordd Cottage, married Evan Richard JONES, 22, Quarryman, Haulfan, Llanrhos (s/o Hugh Richard Jones (deceased), Butcher, on October 26 at Llandudno Parish Church. Witnesses: Owen Owens, Ellen Williams. (copied from St. George’s Church marriages on microfilm when I was in Llandudno). They lived at Ty Newydd Villas. 1918 - Gaynor Roberts HANSON died February 8, 1918. Gaynor, William and Edward Henry are all buried in Plot B095 at Llanrhos. 1920 - June 23. William HANSON, 38,porter at the Hydropathic Hotel in Craigside, married Mary Jane JONES, 36,the widowed daughter of Gabriel and Jane WILLIAMS at Llanrhos. They lived at Bryn Hyfryd, At one point Evan Richard Jones lodged with them before his marriage to Gabriel’s daughter, Anne in 1916. Also living at Bryn Hyfryd at this time were Gabriel (2) and Jane. Gabriel obtained work at the Little Orme Quarry. Gabriel and Jane’s daughter Ellen and her husband, Owen OWENS (b. 1889), a quarryman, were also living at Bryn Hyfryd in this period. Owen was later employed by the Colwyn Bay and Llandudno tramway Company. They had 3 children: Dennis, John and Owen. Gabriel (2) and Jane WILLIAMS and Owen and Ellen OWENS lived at Bryn Hyfryd for many years. Somewhere in this time period Margaret WILLIAMS and her children, Margaret, Tudno H. Willaims and Benjamin Williams lived at the house for varying periods. 1925 - Jane, wife of Gabriel (2) died at 56 in January buried in Llanrhos. Owen and Ellen OWENS and their children, John and Owen stayed at Brynhyfryd and in the early 1960s shared the house with Ernest Caradoc and Margaret Evans and their family - David G., Mark, Peter and Karen Evans. 1925 - John WILLIAMS, brother of Gabriel (2) was occupying Carreg Lithrig Cottage (or Pen-y-Ffordd Cottage as it was also known) , with John ‘s wife, Winifred. John and Winifred had 6 children, all of whom died young. 1928 Evan Richard Jones died in August at the age of 33. Anne Williams Jones stayed at Ty Newydd with her family: Eyra Jones, Jessie Jones,Hugh Jones 1931 - John WILLIAMS died on 4 Dec. at 71 1936 - George and Isaac only ones left at Ty’n Rhewl.. 1937 - Ellen ROBERTS WILLIAMS died in December at 67, buried at Llanrhos 1944 - Gabriel (2) died age 78. He and Jane are buried in Llanrhos. 1946 - George WILLIAMS died at the age of 71 and was buried in Llanrhos. 1947 - May. Edward WILLIAMS died at Neville Place - buried at Llanrhos. During the last year or two before he died, Edward had shared the house with David Hugh JONES and his wife, Margaret, who had come from Pen-y-Parc Terrace and for a time, their daughters Ada Hanson and Nesta Vernon. 1948 - Winifred, wife of John WILLIAMS of Carreg Lithrig Cottage, died 4 Jan. age 79. She and John were buried in Llanrhos with 2 of their children, Evan, almost 3 who died in 1893 and John Richard, who died in February 1898 age 11. Tenancy of Ty’n Rhewl passed to Alfred E. WILLIAMS and his wife Marion, until farm was demolished in early 1970s to make way for housing development of Penrhyn Beach Estate. Dottie Lutz, Philadelphia, PA USA

ELIZABETH GRIFFITH/GEORGE EDWARDS LINE 1832 Owen GRIFFITHS and Elizabeth GWILYM m. in Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire 1835 March 31. Elizabeth Griffith born to 0wen and Elizabeth Griffiths, mother’s former name Elizabeth Gwilim or Gwilum. Llanfyllin. Father is shoemaker. Bapt. April 13, 1835 at Independent Chapel by Rev. W. Morris. 1855 Elizabeth Griffith, 20, d/o Owen Griffith, shoemaker, m. George Edwards, s/o William Edwards, Gardener, parish of Oswestry. 1856 George Edwards, s/o George Edwards and Elizabeth Edwards, formerly Griffith, born in Oswestry. George ,, Sr. was a barber. 1861 Elizabeth Edwards (nee Griffith), Widow, working at St. George’s Hotel, Llandudno, birthplace, MGY 25. (1861 Census.) 1863 Elizabeth Edwards and John Roberts marry in Llandudno. Have cert. Stepson, George H.. Edwards, 17, is living with them at Pant-y-Ffynnon, Llandudno, on the 1871 census. 1881 census shows: 4 Station View, Eglwys Rhos Robert Roberts, 46, contractor, b.. Caerhun Sarah Roberts, wife, b. Dremeirchion, Flint Sarah A. Roberts, 14, dtr. b. Llandudno George H. Edwards, 23, servant, cab driver (Man), b. Denbigh, Wales (??) Ann J. Roberts, 22, gen. servant, Eglwys Rhos 1882 George Henry Edwards, labourer, 27, Station View, Augusta St., Llandudno, s/o George Edwards, Barber, marries Mary Hughes, 21, No. 5 Madoc St., Llandudno, d/o William Hughes, Mariner, Congregational Church, Llandudno. Witnesses: John Emlyn Jones, Mary Elizabeth Mason. 1891 census shows: 141 Mostyn Street George H. Edwards, 38, Guard on Coach, born Oswestry Mary, wife, b. Llandudno William, 8, b. Llandudno Elizabeth,6, b. Llandudno John H. 3, b. Llandudno Gladys F., 11 months, b. Llandudno Fanny Pilkington, servant, 22, nursemaid, Birkenhead Thomas Buck, boarder, 54, cab driver, Norfolk George Hardy, boarder, single, 29, coach driver (groom), b. Shropshire Frederick Pinchers, boarder, single, 22, cab driver, b. Chester Richard Rogers, boarder, single, 35, ostler in livery yard, b. Caernarvon Herbert Pell, boarder, single, 25, manager in livery yard, b. Northampton 1893, July 27. Mary Lydia Edwards, d/o George Henry Edwards and Mary Edwards, formerly Hughes, born. George is journeyman plasterer. 18 Jubilee Street Eglwys Rhos. 1901 census shows: 21 Jubilee St. George H. Edwards, Head, Married, 49, Plasterer, Oswestry Mary E. Edwards, Wife, 48,Llandudno William G. Edwards, son, Llandudno No info Lizzie, dtr. 16, Llandudno Gladys F., dtr. 10 Llandudno no info Lily May, 9, Llandudno Mary L. Edwards, 7,Llandudno 1913 September 27. Elizabeth Jane Edwards, 28, 21 Jubilee St., d/o George Henry Edwards, Town Porter m. Frank Maginness, 29, Blouse Salesman, 128 Barmouth Street, Bradford, s/o Samuel Maginness, Warehouseman, at Zion Chapel Llandudno,, the Baptist Chapel according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Baptist Denomination by certificate. Witnesses: Percy Maginness and Gladys Edwards. 1915 October 23. Mary Lydia Edwards, 22, Ladies Tailor, 21 Jubilee Street, d/o George Henry Edwards, Plasterer m. Francis John Whitehouse, 29, Second Lieut. 17th Battalion R.W.F./Coal Merchant, Hazeley Down Camp, Winchester, s/o George Whitehouse, Coal Merchant at Zion Chapel Llandudno, Baptist Chapel according to the rites and ceremonies of the Baptist denomination by License. Witnesses: Kenneth Kerfoot Hughes, Gladys Edwards. 1917 August 17. Lilian May Edwards, 25, 21 Jubilee Street, d/o George Henry Edwards, Plasterer, m. Albert Lowe, 35, Cashier, 388 Manchester Road, Droylsden, Manchester, s/o William Thomas Lowe, Iron Miner at Zion Chapel Llandudno, Baptist Chapel according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Baptist Denomination by License. Witnesses: Norman Edward Willis and Caroline Lowe. That's it for now. Dottie, Philadelphia, USA

JOHN ROBERTS & ELIZABETH GRIFFITH EDWARDS FAMILY (my ggrandparents) In 1861 my soon-to-become ggrandmother, Elizabeth Edwards was working at the St. George Hotel as a servant. She was born Elizabeth Griffith in Llanfyllin and her family was chapel. Have PR entryJohn Roberts was living at Pant y Ffynnon. 1861 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, Head, 66, AGL, CAE 32 Mariana Roberts, Wife, 68, CAE 32 John Roberts, son, 25, PLA, CAE 32 Richard Roberts, son, 18, PLA, CAE 32 Dorothy Roberts, GD, 12, CAE 32 Cathrine Roberts, GD, 02, CAE 32 (Catherine Edwards, Catherine Roberts Edwards’ dtr.) 1862, Dec. 19. Mariana Roberts died at Pant-y-Ffynnon of Bronchitis, certified. Age 67. John Roberts present at death. Her name is spelled Miriana on death cert. 1863, March 6. John Roberts 28, plasterer of Llandudno, s/o William Roberts, Laborer, m. Elizabeth Edwards, 28, widow, Llandudno, d/o Owen Griffith, shoemaker at the parish church in Llandudno by banns. Witnesses Richard Roberts and Elizabeth Davies. Have cert. 1871 Census: Pant y ffynnon John Roberts, Head, 36, Plasterer, Llandudno Elizabeth Roberts, Wife, 36, Llandudno (not true) George H. Edwards, stepson, 17, Labourer, Llandudno (not true) John Roberts, son, 7, scholar Richard Roberts, son, 5, scholar William Roberts, son, 2, Llandudno William Roberts, father, 76, pauper, blind George H. Edwards subsequent family is on another page. 1872, Dec. 15. William Roberts died, 78, at Pant y Ffynnon. Occ: copper miner. died of old age and debility. Not certified. Elizabeth Roberts present at death. Have. cert. Children of John Roberts and Elizabeth Edwards (nee Griffith): 1864 John (m. Martha Brierly? If so, in 1901 he was 37, a plasterer, living in Altrincham with his wife, Martha, 27 or 29, born in Altrincham and with Martha’s father, George Brierley, in Altrincham) 1866 Richard 1892, July 4. Richard Roberts, 26, Bachelor, plasterer, Llandudno, s/o John Roberts, plasterer m. Jane Powell, 26, Llandudno, d/o Hugh Powell, miner in the parish church of Llandudno by banns. (Witnesses: Richard P. Hughes, Annie Powell.) 1901 Census: The Mount, Llandudno Hugh Powell, 72, Head, Widower, General Labourer, Anglesey, Amlwch Richard Roberts, 35, son-in-law, Plasterer, Llandudno Jennie Roberts, 35, daughter, seamstress, at home,, Llandudno Daisy Roberts, granddaughter, 8 Hugh Roberts, grandson, 6, Llandudno 1870 William 1890, Oct. 18. William Roberts, 22, Bachelor, Plasterer, Llandudno, c/o John Roberts,, Plasterer m. Anne Davies, 23, Spinster, Llandudno, d/o Thomas Davies, Labourer at the parish church of Llandudno. Witnesses: Thomas Davies, Cecilia Owen.. Banns. 1891 census: William and Anne lodging with Grace Evans at Maes y Faewell??.. He is 22 and she is 23. He is a plasterer. Both born Llandudno. Grace Evans had a brother William Roberts living there also, so it seems that she was a Roberts who married an Evans. Check for family earlier on with siblings Grace and William Roberts. 1901 census: 7 Cyll Terrace, Llandudno William Roberts, plasterer, 32, Llandudno Ann, Wife, 33, Charwoman, Llandudno John, son, 9 Elizabeth, dtr., 2 Ann, dtr., 1 Grace Davies, 12, general domestic servant, Llandudno. June 14, 1890 All children born Llandudno Annie Roberts, 20, 2 Bryn Eisteddford, Great Orme, Llandudno, d/o William Roberts, plasterer, married Thomas Atherton, 22, 33 North Road, Preston s/o Thomas Atherton , Iron Turner,on July 21, 1920. He was a Railway Goods Porter, abode 338 North Road, Preston. Witnesses, John Roberts, possibly Annie’s brother, and Elizabeth Nicholson. i have cert. Elizabeth Roberts, 20 (off a bit), 2 Bryn Eisteddfod, Llandudno, d/o William Roberts, plasterer, married Joseph Nicholson, s/o Joseph Jones Nicholson, Joiner, Private West Riding Regiment,Camp Gateshead on Tyne, on May 13, 1917. Witnesses, John Roberts and Sarah Davies. I have cert. 1872 Robert 1894, April 7. Robert Roberts, 22, Bach., labourer, Pant y ffynnon, s/o John Roberts, Plasterer, m. Annie Thomas, 21, Spinster, Pant y ffynnon, d/o Thomas Thomas, Shoemaker at the parish church of Llandudno. Witnesses: Richard Edwards, Marriana Roberts. 1894, June 27. John Roberts, Pant y Ffynnon, 3 mo., s/o Robert Roberts, general labourer, died of Choleraic diarrhea, 36 hour convulsions, certified by J.L.K. Davies, M.B.C.M.Ed, E. Roberts, grandmother, present at the death.. In 1901 Robert and family were living in Ormskirk as follows: 21 Glyn St., Civil Parish: Orrell & Ford, Village-Klondyke, Ecclesiastical Parish, St. Philips, Litherland, Admin., County, Lancs. Robert Roberts, 28, plasterer, b. Llandudno Annie Roberts, wife, 27 b. Caernarfon Elizabeth A., dtr, 6, b. Llandudno Jenny, 4, b. Llandudno (b. April 8, 1897 at Bron Rhaul, Penrhyn, Conway) Have cert. Robert, 3, b. Llandudno Robert may have been drowned in a work-related accident in 1906 at Rhos-on-Sea, Llandrillo yn Rhos, Colwyn Bay. I cannot tell from the death certificate if this is my Robert. 1875 Mariana/Marriana (who had a child Margaret Elizabeth Roberts on July 11, 1895, father shown as William Roberts, labourer, but no marriage has been found.) In 1901, Margaret Elizabeth, 5, was with her grandmother (my gggrandmother, Elizabeth Roberts) I FOUND MARIANA IN 1901 BELOW. She married John Wynne. 1879 Jane Elizabeth (my grandmother). Jane, my grandmother, married Arthur Newhall in Manchester in 1897, had my mother Olivia Dorothy in November of 1897 in Preston. They lived in Manchester and Llandudno both for a time, emigrated to Toronto, Canada, then to Baltimore and Wilmington, then to Philadelphia, where they settled for the rest of their lives and where I was born. In 1901 they were living in Harpurhey??, parish of St. Stephens, Borough of Manchester. Can’t read the name of the street on the census Xerox. Make separate page for this family. 1881 Census shows the following at Pant y Ffynnon John Roberts, H. Plasterer, 47, Llandudno Elizabeth Roberts, Wife, 48, Oswestry, Montgomery, Wales John Roberts, son, Plasterer, 17, Llandudno Richard Roberts, son, Labourer (Plasterer’s son), Llandudno William, son, 9, scholar, Llandudno Robert, son, schoolar, 6, Llandudno Marriana, dtr., scholar, 6, Llandudno Jane Elizabeth, dtr, infant, 2, Llandudno 1885, Jan. 25. John Roberts (ggrandfather) died at Pant y Ffynnon at age 54 of Pyamia (??) certified. John Roberts, son, present at the death. He was a plasterer. Buried Llanrhos. Have cert. 1891 Census shows the following living at Pant-y-Ffynnon, 1 Bodafon, Craig y Don: Elizabeth Roberts Widow 61, Mariana daughter 17, Jane E. daughter 13 1895, July 11. Pant y Ffynnon, Margaret Elizabeth, d/o William Roberts, general labourer, and Mariana Roberts formerly Roberts, baptised. I have cert. from Register Office, Conway. 1900 Mariana Roberts, 24, Tan-Rallt Garden Cottage, Eglwysrhos, d/o John Roberts (Deceased), Plasterer, married John Wynne, 23, Bricklayer, Brickfield Cottage, s/o David Wynne, Stonemason on July 14. At Register’s Office, Conway. Witnesses: William Davies, Elizabeth Wynne. I have cert. 1901 Census Shows John Wynne, H, 23, Bricklayer, born Denbigh, Llansantffraid and Marianne Wynne, Wife, 24, born Llandudno, living at 2 Pant-y-Wennol. I don’t think they stayed here long because in Ken Dibble’s book on Pant-y-Wennol there was someone of another name living there in 1903. BUT WHY WAS HER DAUGHTER LIVING WITH HER MOTHER? 1901 Census shows Elizabeth Roberts, Widow, 70, Laundress, living in Tanrallt Cottage with granddaughter, Margaret Elizabeth Roberts, age 5 and Thomas Roberts, Lodger, single 30, Gardener born Denbigh, Abergele. I don’t know who Thomas is. 1917 Possible marriage of Margaret Elizabeth Roberts: (But maybe not) Margaret Roberts, 22, Lucerne, St. Margaret’s Drive, Llandudno, d/o William Roberts, Slate Quarryman married William Jones, 23, Private No. 3135 Welsh Guards/Farmer, Gollt yr Rug, Capel Garmon, Bettws-y-Coed, s/o Griffith Jones, Farmer on March 17. At the Welsh Congregational Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Congregationalists by License. Witnesses: Robert Jones, Kate Ann Roberts, N. Roberts.

WILLIAM ROBERTS/MARIANA OWEN LINE Not sure of William Roberts’ origins yet. May be Thomas and Dorothy Roberts of Eglwys Rhos. If so he was bapt. at Llan Rhos July 26, 1795. Mariana OWEN and William ROBERTS (as of now of unprovable origin) had an illegitimate son in 1819 - William ROBERTS b/s/o Mariana Owen and William Roberts bapt. Feb. 5 . William and Mariana are shown as servants at Gloddaeth. l don’t know if young William went by the name of Owen or Roberts. 1820 Mariana OWEN, d/o Robert Owen and William ROBERTS married Dec. 9, 1820, Llandudno Besides William above they had the following children at Pant y Ffynnon, Nant y Gamar: 1821 Mary Roberts 1823 Jane Roberts 1825 Elizabeth (who, with Owen Lloyd in 1847 had an illegitimate daughter, Dorothy - no marriage between Elizabeth and Owen Lloyd found; in 1851 and 1861 Dorothy was living at Pant-y-Ffynnon with William and Mariana but Elizabeth was not. Dorothy does not appear after 1861 but she’d have been in her early 20s so would be gone. 1827 Robert no information 1829 Thomas no information 1832 Catherine (who married David Edwards in 1857, had son William. Both David and William died 2 years later of scarlet fever. Daughter Catherine Edwards was born around this time. Big Catherine went on to marry Robert Salisbury, this line is on a separate page) I have certs. 1834 John, who later married Elizabeth Griffith Edwards (my ggrandfather and ggrandmother). 1836 Margaret, who married William Hughes -family listed on separate page 1839 Dorothy, who died at age 6 on May 22, 1845 of influenza, at Pant-y-Ffynnon Have cert. 1841 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, 40 Mariana Roberts, 40 Elizabeth Roberts,20 Thomas Roberts, 12 Catherine Roberts, 9 John Roberts, 5 Margaret Roberts, 3 Dorothy Roberts, 2 (died of scarlet fever at age 6, 1845) 1842 Richard baptized- no information. 1851 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, Head, 54, AFL, CAE 32 Maried (sp) Roberts, Wife, 54, CAE 32 John Roberts, son, 16, AGL, CAE 32 Richard Roberts, son, 8, scr, CAE 32 Dorothy Roberts, NI, 04, SCR, CAE 32, (b/d/o Elizabeth Roberts & Owen Lloyd, b. 1847) 1861 Census: Pant y Ffynnon William Roberts, Head, 66, AGL, CAE 32 Mariana Roberts, Wife, 68, CAE 32 John Roberts, son, 25, PLA, CAE 32 Richard Roberts, son, 18, PLA, CAE 32 Dorothy Roberts, GD, 12, CAE 32 Cathrine Roberts, GD, 02, CAE 32 (Catherine Edwards, Catherine Roberts Edwards’ dtr.) 1862, Dec. 19. Mariana Roberts died at Pant-y-Ffynnon of Bronchitis, certified. Age 67. John Roberts present at death. Her name is spelled Miriana on death cert. 1872, Dec. 15. William Roberts died, 78, at Pant y Ffynnon. Occ: copper miner. died of old age and debility. Not certified. Elizabeth Roberts present at death. Have. cert. Living with John & Elizabeth Roberts at PYF Dottie Lutz,Philadelphia, PA USA

I'm working on 6 or 7 branches of the following family, and will send a few at a time to this list and the Caernarvon list. Apologies to those of you who are on both lists! HOLLAND/PREES/PRYCE/OWEN LINES 1754 William HOLLAND and Margaret PREES, married in Llandudno on 20 November. 1757 Jane HOLLAND d/o William and Margaret baptized in Llandudno May 11 1761 Mary HOLLAND, c/o William and Margaret baptized in Llan Rhos Feb. 22 1763 John HOLLAND , s/o William and Margaret baptized in Llan Rhos Mar 20 1769 Maria HOLLAND, d/o William and Margaret baptized in Llan Rhos June 10 1769 Mariana WILLIAM, d/o William and Margaret shown in IGI as baptized June 18 (I think this is the old patronymic naming pattern, since Mary and John above are shown in the IGI as Mary WILLIAM and John WILLIAM, with parents as William and Margaret Holland. The dates for them are exactly the same as shown under the names of HOLLAND in the Llan Rhos Parish Register. So, I believe that Mariana WILLIAM is really Maria HOLLAND and is also the Marianna HOLLAND who was buried April 10, 1785 in Llandudno. If so, she was 16 when she died. 1780 Margaret PRYCE, of Pant-y-Ffynnon, buried 27 September, Llandudno 1782 William Holland buried August 28, Llandudno 1785 Marianna Holland buried April 10, Llandudno (I THINK THIS IS MARIA, above) 1785 Mary HOLLAND married Robert OWEN of Llan Rhos in Llandudno December 10 A possible baptism for Robert Owen is in Eglwys Rhos - July 6, 1758 to Owen Williams and Gaynor. Age would be right. Patronymics again, possibly. 1819 Mary HOLLAND, alias Mary OWEN was buried April 12,1819,in Llandudno, age 56 1824 Robert OWEN buried Feb. 25 age 69, Llandudno Children of Robert and Mary Owen: 1786 Catherine- no information 1788 Margaret (Margaret OWEN married William WILLIAMS March 20, 1813. They had 2 children baptized at the family home, Pant-y-Ffynnon: 1813 Robert, 1815 Jane. Others born later somewhere else. There is a separate email for this line. 1790 William - no information 1792 Edward (Edward OWEN married Mary WILLIAMS Apr. 30,1813 in Llandrillo yn Rhos (we think), and their son, Robert OWENS was bapt. May 17,1818 at Pant-y-Ffynnon. Edward is shown as Labourer. There is a separate email for this line with other siblings of Robert. 1794 Jane - No information. 1797 Mariana (my gggrandmother) Mariana OWEN and William ROBERTS (as of now of unprovable origin) had an illegitimate son in 1819 - William ROBERTS b/s/o Mariana Owen and William Roberts bapt. Feb. 5 . Llanrhos. William and Mariana are shown as servants at Gloddaeth. l don’t know if this child went by the name of Owen or Roberts. 1820 Mariana OWEN and William ROBERTS married Dec. 9, 1820. Separate email for this line. Dottie Lutz, Philadelphia, PA USA

I'm using Acrobat 6 with Windows XP - Had no problems with the 1891 CD's or now the 1871 CD's. I doubt that it needs Acrobat 6 as it comes with a loadable Acrobat Reader - File name 'Acrobat95' and the file was created in 1999 - well before Acrobat Version 6..... was around! Ian Jolly, ger Yr Wyddgrug/near Mold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Price" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] Caernarfonshire Census on CD > Ian, can you tell us if the CD Rom works well with your PC - does it require > Adobe Acrobat Reader 6 ? I had problems with a 1841 CD, so I'm wary of > buying any more census CDs until I know the technology is OK. > > Thanks, > David Price, Bangor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Enlli FH [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 August 2004 20:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAE] Caernarfonshire Census on CD > > > Just for information - my copy of the Caernarfonshire census for 1871 > arrived today! > > Still covers only the Caernarfon, Bangor & Conway registration districts. > > Ian Jolly > >

To answer Ian Thompson of London, I am a member of both GFHS and CFHS ... and subscribe to numerous of the ROOTSWEB sites. And, I read every post that arrives, searching for that single THOMAS that might be related 300 years hence. To date, I have seen only one Welsh THOMAS post on any of these sites. [There must be a lot of "doubting" going on in Wales! pardon the pun] I happen also to be the THOMAS list administrator on ROOTSWEB; a rabid genealogist & family historial for over 30 years; and my paternal great grandmother's maiden name was MARTHA JANE THOMPSON. Sam Thomas Roswell, Georgia USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: [CAE] Joint Membership of GFHS / any FHS and mailing list > Dear list, > I wonder if anyone, Alwyn, Yvonne Edwards or anyone with an interest, knows > whether people on the list have joint membership of GFHS and vice-versa? > Perhaps on the next list census that would be interesting to find out? > I know that there is likely to be benefit from being in both (I'm not on > commission!). > The good thing about the mailing lists, though, is you can post a few > queries on far-flung lists and then unsubscribe if you don't want to keep > receiving messages. > It would be interesting to see what sort of cross-over there is. > Ian > London SW9 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > 36 Y Wern Y Felinheli, Gwynedd LL56 4TXX > [email protected] or [email protected] > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Ian, can you tell us if the CD Rom works well with your PC - does it require Adobe Acrobat Reader 6 ? I had problems with a 1841 CD, so I'm wary of buying any more census CDs until I know the technology is OK. Thanks, David Price, Bangor -----Original Message----- From: Enlli FH [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 August 2004 20:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAE] Caernarfonshire Census on CD Just for information - my copy of the Caernarfonshire census for 1871 arrived today! Still covers only the Caernarfon, Bangor & Conway registration districts. Ian Jolly ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

A good point, Ian. My interests are mainly local history, and I often find I need info about musicians or clergy who were born in (or moved to)places outside Gwynedd. Posting queries on other lists can be very productive, and it's a simple matter to unsubscribe when you've finished. Regards, David -----Original Message----- From: I Thompson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 August 2004 13:09 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Joint Membership of GFHS / any FHS and mailing list Dear list, I wonder if anyone, Alwyn, Yvonne Edwards or anyone with an interest, knows whether people on the list have joint membership of GFHS and vice-versa? Perhaps on the next list census that would be interesting to find out? I know that there is likely to be benefit from being in both (I'm not on commission!). The good thing about the mailing lists, though, is you can post a few queries on far-flung lists and then unsubscribe if you don't want to keep receiving messages. It would be interesting to see what sort of cross-over there is. Ian London SW9

Dear list, I wonder if anyone, Alwyn, Yvonne Edwards or anyone with an interest, knows whether people on the list have joint membership of GFHS and vice-versa? Perhaps on the next list census that would be interesting to find out? I know that there is likely to be benefit from being in both (I'm not on commission!). The good thing about the mailing lists, though, is you can post a few queries on far-flung lists and then unsubscribe if you don't want to keep receiving messages. It would be interesting to see what sort of cross-over there is. Ian London SW9

Hi All My name is Maureen Miles and I live in a suburb of Melbourne, Australia. I am researching the Hughes family from Pwllheli, mainly Guy Hughes, a photographer. He took many photographs during 1909 and onward and, I believe, covered events of local interest, such as May Queen Festivals, weddings, quarry openings etc, as well as doing personal portraits. When he died in 1972 all the negatives of his work were put in the Caernarvon County Archives. At the same time, three work books with names and account details were also deposited. The work books have been catalogued, but the negatives have not. The Chief Librarian at the time of the deposit was, apparently, very interested and indicated that they would eventually be digitised and reprinted. Unfortunately, that has not happened and my father, Nevil Hughes in London, is very anxious that they do not go to waste as he feels that they may be of great interest to many people who are researching their family history. I have copies of a couple of pages from the work books and they include such information as: June 13 1909 Mr Young, Lufton, Pwllheli 1. Gp of Golf Committee 2. " " skating carnival June 16 1909 Dr Shelton Jones, Lleyn St 2 carnival gps Feb 11 1909 Mr Galloway, 33 Major St, Manchester 1 1/1 pl of Mr Lloyd George at Links Nov 1922 Mrs Hughes, 5 Tal-y-bont, Chwilag Framed enlgmt of Hugh Hughes 3 8 1932 Superintendant Owen, Police Station 21 1/1 group of police I would be interested to hear from anybody who may have an interest in the subjects. I shall be visting the UK during September and hope to be able to get access to the negatives to assess what condition the are in and to investigate the possibility of getting at least some of them digitised and made available to list members. Regards Maureen Miles

Hi to the lists(s), In response to Alwyn's request........ I am Peter WILLIAMS, living in Lower Hutt, near Wellington, capital city of NZ (AKA Middle Earth!). My connection to Caernarfon is my very large brickwall. My ggfather was Walter WILLIAMS. Walter first surfaces in NZ when he married Susan FISHER in Timaru in January 1873. At that time, Walter stated in the Intention to Marry that he had been living in Timaru for 18 months (note - not necessarily the length of time he had been in NZ). NZ marriage records at that time did not record any parent details for the marriage parties. Walter and Susan had 10 children - for 9 of them, the parent's birth place were recorded as part of the birth registration. The majority show either Caernarfon or just North Wales! One however shows a birthplace, but I can't decipher it. Walter signed the record with his mark so it's probably only the registrar's guess at what he was saying. To further complicate matters, Walter's age is progressively older with each registration!. The range of ages given show he was born between 1840 and 1846. I have found a list of members of the Forester's Lodge in Timaru which states Walter's birth date as 20 April 1846 (list is dated 1886). The GRO Index doesn't show any likely entry, but I realise that these years are in the early stages of civil registration so it probably wasn't recorded. Walter died in 1914. but no parents details are recorded on his death entry. Currently he's on my backburner as I really need to find something here in NZ to direct me to where he was born in Wales. Best regards to all, PeterW

Dear Peter, can you scan in the birthplace? If it's in Welsh someone may be able to help you decipher it? Best wishes, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:27 PM Subject: [CAE] Walter WILLIAMS > Hi to the lists(s), > > In response to Alwyn's request........ > > I am Peter WILLIAMS, living in Lower Hutt, near Wellington, capital city of NZ (AKA Middle Earth!). > > My connection to Caernarfon is my very large brickwall. My ggfather was Walter WILLIAMS. Walter first surfaces in NZ when he married Susan FISHER in Timaru in January 1873. At that time, Walter stated in the Intention to Marry that he had been living in Timaru for 18 months (note - not necessarily the length of time he had been in NZ). NZ marriage records at that time did not record any parent details for the marriage parties. > > Walter and Susan had 10 children - for 9 of them, the parent's birth place were recorded as part of the birth registration. The majority show either Caernarfon or just North Wales! One however shows a birthplace, but I can't decipher it. Walter signed the record with his mark so it's probably only the registrar's guess at what he was saying. To further complicate matters, Walter's age is progressively older with each registration!. The range of ages given show he was born between 1840 and 1846. > > I have found a list of members of the Forester's Lodge in Timaru which states Walter's birth date as 20 April 1846 (list is dated 1886). The GRO Index doesn't show any likely entry, but I realise that these years are in the early stages of civil registration so it probably wasn't recorded. Walter died in 1914. but no parents details are recorded on his death entry. Currently he's on my backburner as I really need to find something here in NZ to direct me to where he was born in Wales. > > Best regards to all, > PeterW > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Pictures of the headstone here... http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mbriscoe/KILKERRAN.htm Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Briscoe > Sent: 10 August 2004 16:46 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAE] Captain Robert Jones of Smack Major Nanney > > I was photographing war graves in Kilkerran Burial Ground in > Campbeltown tonight and noticed one small headstone against a > wall in the old part of the burial ground. > > > CATHERINE JONES > IN MEMORY OF HER HUSBAND > ROBERT JONES > CAPTN. OF THE SMACK > MAJOR NANNEY > OF PWLLHELI > WHO DIED 25TH JAN > > Unfortunately the year was buried so not visible but I would > estimate that it was mid 19th Century. > > I have a photograph in anyone happened to have any > connections to the family.

Just for information - my copy of the Caernarfonshire census for 1871 arrived today! Still covers only the Caernarfon, Bangor & Conway registration districts. Ian Jolly