Thank you Martin, I'll have a look. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Briscoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] WW1 records > There was a series of books "The National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918" > but this is the only volume that I know of an online copy (Manchester). > > http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/bookbrowse.php?page=1&book=940.467+N1&size= > 297x400 > > > I believe the medal roll for WWI is now online and you can get details of > the medals issued to someone but I don't think it gives much information. > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/military/ > > > > Martin Briscoe > Fort William > M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sue adam [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 22 August 2004 06:26 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CAE] WW1 records > > > > Hi all, > > Can anyone tell me if there is an online address to look up > > WW1 veterans? Thought it might be worth a look for my Hughes > > line. After all, how many Thomas Hughes would there be!!! > > Sue > > Australia > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Sue, if he was killed in action the Commonwealth War Graves site would be what you want. http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx Lorna. Sydney -----Original Message----- From: sue adam [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 22 August 2004 4:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAE] WW1 records Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is an online address to look up WW1 veterans? Thought it might be worth a look for my Hughes line. After all, how many Thomas Hughes would there be!!! Sue Australia ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Apart from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, which Lorna mentioned, there is a fairly new site from the National Archive, which is not yet complete: The Medals Rolls Index: http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/medals.asp This was created by the Army Medal Office (AMO) towards the end of the First World War. "The index was created to enable the AMO to place on one card, all of the details about an individual's medal entitlement, their rank or ranks, the unit or units they served in, the first operational theatre they served in and most importantly, the original AMO medal roll references. These medal rolls (held in WO 329) show the entitlement to the medals and also provide all of the accounting references for the issuing of the medal or medals." As almost all those who saw service overseas were awarded a campaign medal, this is a good source to find out some details about those who survived the War the War Graves Commission only details those who died. The only draw back is that you have to pay to see the actual record, only the index is free. All the best Alwyn -----Original Message----- From: sue adam [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 August 2004 07:26 To: [email protected] Subject: [CAE] WW1 records Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is an online address to look up WW1 veterans? Thought it might be worth a look for my Hughes line. After all, how many Thomas Hughes would there be!!! Sue Australia ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004

Hi all, Can anyone tell me if there is an online address to look up WW1 veterans? Thought it might be worth a look for my Hughes line. After all, how many Thomas Hughes would there be!!! Sue Australia

Hi Listers The evidence I have comes from the back of a photograph; Ellis David JONES, Penrhyn, Caernarvon. *On his NSW Australia marriage certificate 1881 his parents names were stated as being David JONES, Contractor, and Eleanor ELLIS. *He was a slateworker age 41 in 1881. *In 1882 he stated on his daughter's birth certificate that he was 'about 40'. Can anyone help me find evidence of the birth of Ellis David JONES and/or the marriage of David JONES and Eleanor ELLIS? Also where is Penrhyn located? Thank you Lorna Sydney NSW

There was a series of books "The National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918" but this is the only volume that I know of an online copy (Manchester). http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/bookbrowse.php?page=1&book=940.467+N1&size= 297x400 I believe the medal roll for WWI is now online and you can get details of the medals issued to someone but I don't think it gives much information. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/military/ Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: sue adam [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 22 August 2004 06:26 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAE] WW1 records > > Hi all, > Can anyone tell me if there is an online address to look up > WW1 veterans? Thought it might be worth a look for my Hughes > line. After all, how many Thomas Hughes would there be!!! > Sue > Australia

Hi all, Is the 1901 census available at LDS or local libraries? I am new into getting back into this family history thing after doing nothing for 4 years, so I have a whole lot more to learn. I went to the government page on Thursday and again yesterday and I have never seen £5 disappear so fast!! I did find what I think is "my" Thomas John WILLIAMS at the end of yesterday's session but my money had run out by then and I already had two false ones :( I put all the information I had in the first few times but did not notice the Advanced Search until it was too late when I think I had found him. If possible could somebody please look up: RG13 PIECE 5285 FOLIO 61 PAGE 15 126 Should be above Thomas John living with his father Robert and mother Ellen. If this is not available locally I will have to wait until I have more people to look up as these fivers are disappearing pretty fast and I know this is the minimum charge. Thanks and Regards Barbara in Sydney via Liverpool

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I had a similar problem with my Taid, Thomas PARRY. I knew his approximate date of birth but I had no idea where so I could not distinguish from all the other Thomas Parry. I eventually paid a researcher to look up his World War I record and this gave me several crucial items of information including his place (Brynrefail) and date of birth. Martin Briscoe Fort William M&LFHS | Gwynedd FHS > -----Original Message----- > From: glenn [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 21 August 2004 16:08 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAE] ?How can I find out where he was born/My Brick Wall > > I wonder if any of you kind people could offer any > suggestions with my brick wall??? > I have been searching for my grandfather on my fathers side, > John Owen Jones for 4 years now & am no further forward now > than I was then. I am not a novice & have managed to go back > to 1700 on my mothers side & have done all the usual things, > like census, Free BMD & parish registers etc. I have found > my grandparents' marriage in 1902 in Festiniog, on which it > states that John was resident at Cefncoch Isaf as a farm > servant, & that his father was John Jones, Slate Quarryman (deceased).

I wonder if any of you kind people could offer any suggestions with my brick wall??? I have been searching for my grandfather on my fathers side, John Owen Jones for 4 years now & am no further forward now than I was then. I am not a novice & have managed to go back to 1700 on my mothers side & have done all the usual things, like census, Free BMD & parish registers etc. I have found my grandparents' marriage in 1902 in Festiniog, on which it states that John was resident at Cefncoch Isaf as a farm servant, & that his father was John Jones, Slate Quarryman (deceased). From John's age he was born circa 1880. I have managed ok on his wife's side Jane Ellen Owen who was born Dolbenmaen (incidentally Alwyn (saw your post to MER list) this family also connected to Hedd Wyn) I checked back to the 1901 census BUT he was not at Cefncoch isaf then (hoping to find out where he was born) Searched the 1891 & 1881 census but again there are SO MANY John Jones' with fathers also John Jones it's impossible to tell which is the right one. I have no idea when his father died or where to check for his death. Again I have done the usual things baptism registers & burials for local places, I think he came from the Clynnog/Llanllyfni areas, also I think the family were Methodists (John later became a Deacon at Beulah chapel in Caernarfon) & supposedly had a sister named Alice & brother Evan, which again I have been unable to find so don't know if they are older or younger than John. After their marriage in 1902 the went to Grianog Crossing Pant Glas to live, where my father, 1 of 13 children was born. They moved to Caernarfon to live about 1911. Can anyone offer any suggestions as a way forward, & further research??? I know sometimes a different perspective can help. Thanks Glenys --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004

Hi I am looking for assistance in tracking down the parents of JOHN DAVIES who married an ELLEN GRIFFITHS (resident at 10 Tudno St). The marriage was at Llandudno on 20/9/1902. John is described as a bricklayer born circa 1876, and resident at the Kings Head Inn Llangystenyn, which I understand is in the vicinity of Llandudno Junction. His father is given as WILLIAM (deceased) Tailor. Any information or advice most welcome Regards Tony Barratt.

-----Original Message----- From: Carolyn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2004 3:55 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: LIST CENSUS-WILLIAMS- LLANDUDNO Good morning Listers, As a new member of this list may I post my interest and say what a great idea a 'list census' is! I am Carolyn, married to Glyn Evan Williams, living in Auckland New Zealand. We have traced the Williams family back through London to Llandudno to Glyn's gt grandfather JOHN WILLIAMS born abt 1853. Fathers name from the marriage cert is given as DAVID WILLIAMS - occupation carpenter. But here we are stuck ! We have purchased two birth certs for John Williams both born in 1853 in Llandudno. One to Roger (occupation Joiner) and Jane (nee Jones) Williams. The other to William (occupation Farmer) and Mary (nee Williams!) Williams. We have also tracked John son of Roger thru the census and he is not our man! As there are so many births for John Williams in other years we are loath to order any more certificates and would welcome any help or local knowledge that may be available. We have looked at the films of the 1871 and 1861 census for Llandudno but no sign of a John with father David Williams. These are the known details of 'our' John Williams: JOHN WILLIAMS married HANNAH ISAACS at Marylebone London on the 18 May 1879 - his occupation given as Joiner. HANNAH ISAACS was born 10 Sept. 1854, Ilston. Her parents - HENRY and MARIA ISAACS occ. Master Cordwainer. From the 1881 census JOHN WILLIAMS gave his age as 27, occupation - House Carpenter, living in Marylebone. On the 1891 census he is age 37, occupation - Architect's Clerk, still living in Marylebone. 1901 census - age 48 occupation - Architects Clerk of Works, living in Hampstead. His date of death is unknown. John and Hannah had the following children all born in Marylebone: 1880 John Edgar 1882 Mary Olive 1885 William Henry 1888 PERCY ( EVAN?) Glyn's grandfather married FLORENCE EUNICE BOOME in 1910, London. 1891 Harold Howell 1892 Leonard David 1896 Stewart William 1900 Nellie Hannah We know nothing about the siblings of Percy born 1888, and again would welcome any help or information, both in Llandudno and London. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Carolyn in NZ.

I am called Bill, though I was never William. I live near Cambridge, England, and started my research a few years ago when I retired. I have a number of lines from North and SW Wales. Here are the difficult Jones and Williams families. Henry JONES was a tailor & draper in Bangor, CAE. He was born about 1799 in Llanfairpg in Anglesey and died 1866 in Bangor. Henry's first wife was Ann (possibly the Ann OWEN who married a Henry JONES in Llanfairpg on 30 Nov 1821). She died about 1830. Their eldest son was Cadwaladr JONES (1823-1900), in adult life schoolmaster, parish clerk and Sacrist at the Cathedral. Henry's second wife was Ann(e) WILLIAMS, born about 1813 in Llangaffo or Aberffraw, Anglesey, depending which census you look at. She died in 1891. They married in 1833 at Bangor Cathedral. Ann may well have been the daughter of Edward and Mary, baptised 9 Oct 1814 at Aberffraw, Talar Rodio CM Chapel. Henry & Ann had 7 children at least. I know only the fate of their eldest son John (1838-1883), my ancestor. I am interested in anything anyone knows about the family of the above. Regards Bill G-J

I am a new subscriber to the list ,my name is John Maddocks living in New Zealand .but originally from Liverpool UK,My welsh roots are from my Grandfather John Edward Maddocks born 1873 Denbigh Grace Tope born Bangor1868. Grace,s mother was Jane Ed munds or Edmonds born 1836 +at Bangor or surrounding village ,her parent,s Richard and Alice Griiffith where at Ffrdd Carwfarm near the village of Glasinfryn at the 1851 census. Jane my Great Grandmother was married to a Richard Tope from Totnes Devon in Bangor . There is however some confusion about Jane,s father ie on aBirth Cert he is listed as Richard Edmunds labourer but on the marriage cert for Jane 1863 the father is listed as Edmund Edmund,s Coachman Jane had an elder brotherEdmund , Caernarfon Record office are suggestingthat for some reason Edmund substituted as Jane,s father,the father Richard was still alive ,the marriage was in the Bangor Registry office is this possible ?.One thougt is that there where more thanone Jane Edmund,s born around the 1836 period can any kind person throw any light on this riddle ? as yet I have been unable to check the 1861 census for Bangor There is a JaneEdmund on the1851 census in Bangor who married a Evan Evans in 1858 who could be our Jane . John Maddocks N Z

Allen Powell of Criccieth Born Efail Isaf, Pontypridd. To the best of my knowledge I have no relatives in North Wales and therefore no interests as such. However, as I have spent most of my days in Dolwyddeian, Capel Curig or Criccieth I thought I might be able to help with any queries re these places; the last few years have been interesting to say the least ! Thanks for letting me in ! Allen

I realised that in my haste to send off my research interests, I forgot to tell you who I am, where I am and what I am most looking for. So here goes my attempt to remedy that. I am Megan Roberts, and live mainly in London, and sometimes in Lancashire. My father and one of my brothers live on Anglesey. I started looking at the family’s history, when my father had to clear his parents home and we found various documents. Before then I knew very little, except that his father’s parents had died when he was small and that he had been brought up by his grandmother. So I found 1. My Taid’s birth certificate – William Henry Roberts 18 April 1899, Brynderwen, Talysarn. Father John Evan Roberts, mother Elizabeth Catherine Roberts formerly Evans. This was a certificate issued in December 1911 for the Factory and Workshop Act 1901. This was the first time we knew his parents names. 2. An "In Memorium Card" for Evan Roberts who died aged 58 3 October 1899 at 3 Baptist Street, Penygroes. The card mentions his wife Jane, who my father knew to be his great grandmother. So now we knew his great grandfathers name. We knew my Taid had a older brother, Thomas Llewellyn (Jimmy tailor), who was about 10 years older, so we looked at the 1891 Census, and found both John Evan’s family and Evan’s family. This gave John Evan’s age as 24, and his place of birth as Llanbeblig, and Elizabeth’s age as 22 and her place of birth as Llanllyfni. Evan was said to be 53 and born in Caernarfon, and Jane 49 born in Llanllyfni (the 1881 and 1901 censuses say Clynnog). Living with Evan were his children Griffith aged 17 and Maggie aged 15 and his nephew William Roberts aged 6. In 1901 Jane describes William as her son aged 16. I then worked back looking for birth, marriage and death certificates. I have only found 1 birth and 1 marriage certificate which seem to fit Evan. Unfortunately they have contradictory information, so I am stuck. Birth – Evan 7 March 1842 New Street Caernarfon. Father Robert Roberts, quarryman. Mother Mary Roberts formerly Evans. Marriage – 8 August 1865, Llanbeblig Church – Evan Roberts 24, shoemaker, living in North Penrallt, Caernarfon. Father Llewellyn Roberts, weaver. Wife Jane Griffith 21, no occupation. Father John Griffith shoemaker. Also living in North Penrallt. Evan did not sign the certificate, but made his mark. Jane did sign the certificate. I know that Evan was a cobbler, and that Jane, at least in later life was known as "Jane Crydd", (Jane Cobbler). It does not seem likely that Robert and Llewellyn could be the same person given the differences in occupation. There is another complication in all this and that is the question of Jane’s literacy or otherwise. She apparently signed her marriage certificate, but she made her mark on her son John Evan’s birth certificate, and her will, which was written in 1918. So to cut a long story short any suggestions, ideas or other thoughts would be most gratefully received, because I can’t go further back until I know who Evan’s parents were. Many thanks Megan --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Here's my contribution ..Apologies for the strange layout, but thats the wonder of cutting and pasting. Megan Generation No. 1 1. ROBERT ROBERTS He married MARY EVANS. In 1842 he was a quarryman. Children of ROBERT ROBERTS and MARY EVANS are: 2. i. EVAN ROBERTS, b. 27 March 1842, New Street, Caernarfon; d. 3 October 1899, Baptist Street, Penygroes. 3. ii. SON 2 ROBERTS. [Note this is an assumption based on his son William being the nephew who was living with Evan and Jane in 1891, and who described in Jane's will as her adopted son.] Generation No. 2 2. EVAN ROBERTS born 27 March 1842 in New Street, Caernarfon and died 3 October 1899 in Baptist Street, Penygroes. He married JANE GRIFFITH(S) 8 August 1865 in Llanbeblig Parish Church, Caernarfon. She was born Abt. 1843 in Clynnog, and died 11 March 1924 in 32 Baptist Street, Penygroes. He was a shoemaker and a quarryman. Children of EVAN ROBERTS and JANE GRIFFITH(S) are: 4. i. JOHN EVAN ROBERTS, b. 29 May 1866, Court y Darcdy, Caernarvon; d. 16 June 1906, Baptist Street, Penygroes. 5. ii. LLEWELLYN EVAN ROBERTS, b. 19 November 1868, Crown Street, Caernarfon; d. 15 November 1937, 8 Druid Road, Menai Bridge, Anglesey. 6. iii. EVAN EVAN ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1872, Clynnog. iv. GRIFFITH EVAN ROBERTS, b. 13 January 1874, Pantglas, Clynnog ; d. 9 September 1957, 17 Market Place, Penygroes ; m. MARY WINNIE [***]; b. Abt. 1875, Llanllyfni; d. 21 March 1952, 17 Market Place, Penygroes. The birth certificate identified may not be correct since it gives his mother's maiden name as "Williams" rather than Griffith(s). He was a master tailor and grocer during his life. 7. v. MARGARET ROBERTS, b. 1 January 1876, Penygroes. 3. SON 2 ROBERTS Child of SON 2 ROBERTS is: i. WILLIAM ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1885. Generation No. 3 4. JOHN EVAN ROBERTS was born 29 May 1866 in Court y Darcdy, Caernarvon, and died 16 June 1906 in Baptist Street, Penygroes. He married ELIZA CATHERINE EVANS 14 February 1888 in Caernarvon Registry Office, daughter of JOHN EVANS and ELIZABETH ROBERTS. She was born 10 August 1868 in Greengate Street, Caernarfon, and died 3 October 1903 in Brynderwen, Talysarn. He was a journeyman tailor. After his death his mother brought up Maggie and William. Blodwen and Griffith Lloyd were "adopted" by two families who may have been relations. Children of JOHN ROBERTS and ELIZA EVANS are: 8. i. THOMAS LLEWELYN ROBERTS, b. 17 July 1888, Brynderwen, Talysarn; d. Bef. September 1956, Newport, South Wales. 9. ii. JANE CATHERINE ROBERTS, b. 23 March 1890, Brynderwen, Talysarn; d. Aft. 17 January 1974. iii. EVAN J ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1892 and probably died before 1906. 10. iv. MAGGIE ANN ROBERTS, b. 30 May 1894, Brynderwen, Talysarn; d. 29 September 1956, 10 Maes Llynfnwy, Talysarn. v. LIZZIE ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1898 and probably died before 1906. 11. vi. WILLIAM HENRY ROBERTS, b. 18 April 1899, Brynderwen, Talysarn; d. 17 January 1974, Caernarfonshire & Anglesey Hospital, Bangor. vii. BLODWEN MAIR ROBERTS, b. 22 May 1900, Brynderwen, Talysarn; d. 13 February 1985, Ysbyty Gwnedd, Bangor; m. OWEN CARTWRIGHT, Aft. 8 November 1918; d. Bef. February 1985. 12. viii. GRIFFITH LLOYD ROBERTS, b. 19 January 1902, Brynderwen, Talysarn. 5. LLEWELLYN EVAN ROBERTS was born 19 November 1868 in Crown Street, Caernarfon, and died 15 November 1937 in 8 Druid Road, Menai Bridge, Anglesey. He married (1) ELLEN GRIFFITH 25 December 1891 in Brynsadyn Chapel Caernarfon, daughter of THOMAS GRIFFITH. She was born Abt. 1863, and died 3 February 1918 in 1 Bryndulais Avenue, Seven Sisers, Dulais Higher, Glamorgan. He married (2) MARY A. [***] Aft. 1918. He was a bricklayer/ builder. When he was in South Wales he was a coal hewer. He brought his first wife home to Penygroes to be buried in Macpelah, and 9 months later did the same for his 3 children who died within two days of one another in the flu epidemic. Children of LLEWELLYN ROBERTS and ELLEN GRIFFITH are: i. CATHERINE ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1893; d. 21 November 1918. ii. JANE ROBERTS, b. Abt. April 1893; d. 27 May 1893. iii. EVAN ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1895; d. 23 November 1918 iv. THOMAS GRIFFITH ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1897 v. JANE ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1899 vi. ELLEN ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1902 d. 12 April 1908 vii. MARGARET ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1904; d. 21 November 1918 Children of LLEWELLYN ROBERTS and MARY A. are: viii. [JOHN OWEN?] ROBERTS. ix. SON 2 ROBERTS. 6. EVAN EVAN ROBERTS was born Abt. 1872 in Clynnog. He married UNKNOWN. It is believed that in the early part of the 20th century that Evan Evan, who had been working in the quarry industry, possibly as a manager of the Glofa Glai Quarry??, emigrated to the United States of America. Child of EVAN ROBERTS and UNKNOWN is: i. EMLYN ROBERTS. 7. MARGARET ROBERTS was born 1 January 1876 in Penygroes. She married MR WILLIAMS. Children of MARGARET ROBERTS and MR WILLIAMS are: i. HENRY WILLIAMS. Possibly a priest in South Wales (Crosshands?) ii. EVAN WILLIAMS. Generation No. 4 8. THOMAS LLEWELYN ROBERTS was born 17 July 1888 in Brynderwen, Talysarn, and died Bef. September 1956 in Newport, South Wales. He married SARAH [***]. He was known as "Jimmy Tailor". Went to Newport about 1910. During the 1st World War he served with the 1st and 6th Battalion Welsh Fusiliers and was invalided out at Galipoli . After the war he returned to Penygroes . Some time in the 1920s he moved back to Newport in South Wales and remained there for the rest of his life. Child of THOMAS ROBERTS and SARAH is: 13. i. LLEWELLYN ROBERTS. 9. JANE CATHERINE ROBERTS was born 23 March 1890 in Brynderwen, Talysarn, and died Aft. 17 January 1974. She married (1) UNKNOWN1[ ROBERTS??] Bef. 1918. He died Bef. 8 November 1918 . She married (2) UNKNOWN 2 ROBERTS Aft. 1918. It is thought that her second husband's name was "Dick" and that he was the father of two youngest of her six children. In latter life she lived in Rhos Tryfan / Rhos Gadfan. Children of JANE ROBERTS and UNKNOWN1 ROBERTS are: i. BEN ROBERTS, m. ROSIE [***]. ii. WILL ROBERTS. Occupation: Taxi Driver iii. JOHN ROBERTS. iv. LIZZIE JANE CATHERINE ROBERTS, m. JOHN [***]. Children of JANE ROBERTS and UNKNOWN ROBERTS are: v. GWEN ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1921. vi. CATHERINE ROBERTS. 10. MAGGIE ANN ROBERTS was born 30 May 1894 in Brynderwen, Talysarn, and died 29 September 1956 in 10 Maes Llynfnwy, Talysarn. She married JOHN HENRY THOMAS Bef. 1916. He died Aft. September 1956 Children of MAGGIE ROBERTS and JOHN THOMAS are: i. JOHN PIERCE THOMAS, b. 31 October 1916, 11 Water Street, Penygroes; d. 11 April 1997. ii. OWEN W THOMAS, d. January 1997. iii. IORWETH H THOMAS, b. Abt. 1921. iv. DORIS BLANCHE THOMAS, d. 28 April 1998. v. NANCY THOMAS, m. BIL [***]L, Aft. 1956 vi. MARGARET THOMAS, m. EMLYN [***], Aft. 1956 vii. JOAN THOMAS, d. December 1997. 11. WILLIAM HENRY ROBERTS was born 18 April 1899 in Brynderwen, Talysarn, and died 17 January 1974 in Caernarfonshire & Anglesey Hospital, Bangor. He married MARY JONES SMITH 13 February 1923 in St Rhedwy Church, Llanllyfni, daughter of AGNES MARIA SMITH. She was born 15 November 1899 in Tremydon, Penygroes, and died 4 May 1980 in St David's Hospital, Bangor. William was a baker, working for most of his life in the Co-op in Penygroes. during World War 1 he served with the Catering Corp and was part of the army of occupation of the Rhine. Children of WILLIAM ROBERTS and MARY SMITH are: i. JOHN ARTHUR SMITH, b. 26 June 1919, Pengarnedd Bach, Rhosybol, Amlwch; d. 16 September 1992, Llay, Wrexham; . 19. ii. EVAN ROBERTS, b. 18 November 1923, Glan Helen, 11 County Road, Penygroes. iii. WILLIAM ELWYN SMITH ROBERTS, b. 16 March 1934, Glan Helen, 11 County Road, Penygroes; d. 12 June 1994, Plas y Bryn, Nursing Home, Bontnewydd. Elwyn was a baker who never marrid/ 12. GRIFFITH LLOYD ROBERTS was born 19 January 1902 in Brynderwen, Talysarn. He married SALLY [***]. Children of GRIFFITH ROBERTS and SALLY are: 20. i. CLEDWYN ROBERTS. 21. ii. GLENIS LLOYD ROBERTS. Generation No. 5 13. LLEWELLYN ROBERTS. He married OLIVE [***]. He was a carpenter in Newport South Wales Child of LLEWELLYN ROBERTS and OLIVE is: i. LLEWELLYN ROBERTS, 19. EVAN ROBERTS was born 18 November 1923 in Glan Helen, 11 County Road, Penygroes. He married WINIFRED MARY GAMBOLD 4 February 1950 in St Martins, West Acton, London daughter of JAMES GAMBOLD and MARY WILLIAMS. She was born 3 September 1924 in 2 Colby Scott, North Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, and died 9 July 1987 in London Chest Hospital. Children of EVAN ROBERTS and WINIFRED GAMBOLD are: 27. i. GARETH ROBERTS, 28. ii. ALED ROBERTS iii. MEGAN ROBERTS, 29. iv. ELUNED MARY ROBERTS, 20. CLEDWYN ROBERTS. He married DIANE CORBETT. Children of CLEDWYN ROBERTS and DIANE CORBETT are: i. GARETH ROBERTS. ii. NEIL ROBERTS. iii. STUART ROBERTS. 21. GLENIS LLOYD ROBERTS. She married ALBERT MARTIN LANE 1972 in Llanfaglan C.M. Chapel . Children of GLENIS ROBERTS and ALBERT LANE are: i. KEVIN LANE. ii. PAULINE LANE. iii. ALED LANE. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

This is the last of three messages with information about the ancestors of Robert Jones (1838-1893). If anyone thinks they may have connections to any of his ancestors listed below, I can provide further details. Meyrick GRIFFITH (1775-1858) of Clynnog. Son of Griffith MEYRICK (abt 1750-1803) and Jonet -?- (abt 1753-?). In 1804 Meyrick married Lowry ISAAC (abt 1781-1852) of Llandwrog. Meyrick and Lowry had six children (surname MEYRICK and GRIFFITH). Family lived at Tyddyn Lawrence, Llandwrog for over twenty years. Griffith MEYRICK (abt 1750-1803) (parents unknown). About 1774 Griffith married Jonet -?- (abt 1753-?) (parents unknown). Had at least four children (surname GRIFFITH) and lived in Clynnog. I am looking for birth and parents of both Griffith and Jonet. John HUGHES (1785-1855) of Llanfaglan. Son of Richard Hughes (1739-1806) and Eleanor PIERCE (abt 1737-1839). In 1834 John married Jane PARRY (1804-1888) of Clynnog. (This was second marriage for John. First wife unknown.) John lived at the farm of Cae Eithin in Llanfaglan and later moved in Llanwnda. Richard HUGHES (1739-1806) of Llanfaglan. Son of Hugh PRICHARD and Anne LLOYD. About 1763 Richard married Eleanor PIERCE (parents unknown). Richard and Eleanor had seven children and lived at the farm of Cae Eithin, Llanfaglan. I am looking for birth and parents of Eleanor. Hugh PRICHARD (abt 1708-1763) (parents unknown). About 1733 married Anne LLOYD (abt 1712-1763) (parents unknown. Hugh and Anne had nine children and lived at farm of Penrhyn, Llanfaglan. I am looking for birth and parents of both Hugh and Anne.

This is the second of three messages with information about the ancestors of Robert Jones (1838-1893). If anyone thinks they may have connections to any of his ancestors listed below, I can provide further details. Ellis JONES (1816-aft 1888) of Llanfihangel-y-Pennant (parents may be Paul Jones and Mary Ellis). In 1836 Ellis married Sarah GRIFFITH (1813-1864) of Llandwrog. Sarah was the daughter of Meyrick GRIFFITH (1775-1858) and Lowry ISAAC (abt 1781-1852) Ellis and Sarah had nine children and lived in Llandwrog and Treforys, Llanfihangel-y-Pennan. After Sarah died, Ellis married Margaret -?- and lived at 5 Dolrhedyn Terrace, Blaenau Ffestiniog. I am looking for information about Ellis' birth and parents. Thomas PARRY (1784-1856) of Llanydstumdwy. Son of Edward PARRY (abt 1732-1802) and Margaret JONES (abt 1737-1807). In 1805 Thomas married Elizabeth JONES (abt 1781-1840) of Llanarmon (parents unknown). Thomas and Elizabeth had at least four children (known by THOMAS, PARRY, and EDWARD surname). The family lived at farm of Suntur, Llanydstumdwy. After Elizabeth's death, Thomas married Jane -?-. Edward PARRY (abt 1732-1802) of Llanydstumdwy (parents unknown). In 1757 married Margaret JONES (abt 1737-1807) of Llanystumdwy. Margaret daughter of John WILLIAMS (?-1783). Edward and Margaret had eight children (known by both EDWARD and PARRY surname). The family lived at the farms of Pant y rhos and Suntur, Llanystumdwy. I am looking for information about Edward's birth and parents. John WILLIAMS (?-1783). Wife unknown. Lived at farm of Suntur, Llanystumdwy. Had at least five children. I am looking for John's birth and parents as well as who his wife is and information about her.

I am Joyce Palmer currently living about 50 miles from Salt Lake City, Utah. My grandfather, Robert JONES (1876-1921) was born in Clynnog. I have assembled information about his ancestors into three groups based on geographic location. Two additional messages follow. If anyone thinks they may have connections to any of his ancestors listed below, I can provide further details. Robert JONES (1838-1893) of Abererch. Son of John THOMAS (1820-1839) and Elizabeth WILLIAMS (1815-1880) In 1866 Robert married Sarah JONES (1845-1917) of Llandwrog. Sarah was the daughter Ellis JONES (1816-aft 1888) and Sarah GRIFFITH (1813-1864). Robert and Sarah had ten children and lived at Gardd-yr-afon and Gilfach in Clynnog. John THOMAS (1820-1839) of Llanystumdwy. Son of Thomas PARRY (1784-1856) and Elizabeth JONES (abt 1781-1840). In 1838 Thomas married Elizabeth WILLIAMS (1815-1880) of Abererch. Elizabeth was the daughter of Robert WILLIAMS (abt 1788-1873 and Catherine WILLIAMS (1797-1874). John and Elizabeth had one son (Robert Jones, above). After John died, Elizabeth married William DAVIES and had four children (surname DAVIES and ROBERTS). Lived at Ty'n-y-mynydd and Fron-olau, Carnguwch. Robert WILLIAMS (abt 1788-1873) of Llannor. (parents unknown). In 1814 married Catherine WILLIAMS (1797-1874) of Carnguwch. Catherine daughter of William JONES (abt 1772-1829) and Anne JONES (abt 1779-1838). Robert and Catherine had at least four children (surname WILLIAMS) and lived at the farm of Tyddyn Cestyll, Abererch and Brynmarchog, Llannor. I am looking for information about Robert's birth and parents. William JONES (abt 1772-1829) of Tudweiliog (parents unknown) In 1796 William married Anne JONES (abt 1779-1838) of Abererch. Anne daughter of John ROWLAND (abt 1725-1783) and Margaret DAVID (1745-1815). William and Anne had nine children (surname WILLIAMS) and lived at farm of Tyddyn Cestyll, Abererch. I am looking for information about William's birth and parents. John ROWLAND (abt 1725-1783) of Abererch (parents unknown). In 1759 John married Margaret DAVID (1745-1815) of Carnguwch. Margaret daughter of David OWEN (abt 1720-1762) and Elizabeth GRIFFITH (1726-1795). John and Margaret had eight children (surname JONES) and lived at farm of Tyddyn Cestyll, Abererch. After John died, Margaret married Richard HUGHES. I am looking for information about John's birth and parents. David OWEN (abt 1720-1762) of Carnguwch (parents unknown). About 1744 David married Elizabeth GRIFFITH (1726-1795) of Carnguwch. Elizabeth was a daughter of Griffith PRICHARD and Gainor. David was a farmer and parish clerk and lived at the farm of Llechengan, Carnguwch. David and Elizabeth had seven children (surname DAVID). I am looking for information about David's birth and parents.