Saw this in Caernarfon baptisms:- 21st. December 1876 Joseph Russelan son of Elizabeth Agnes and Abd el Ganie Hyder abd el Malek, abode Waterloo Port, occupation-Sheykh of Lebanon !! Regards Maggi Blythin

Hello- I have been reading with interest the messages about the slate quarrymen. My great grandfather, Thomas Jones, was killed at the Penmaenmawr granite quarry in 1885, a few months before his daughter, my grandmother, was born. Many of the men in the family, and the family of the man my great grandmother married later, worked in the granite quarry. Some of them were very young. My grandfather came to North Carolina in 1912 or so and worked in a quarry there until he moved to Philadelphia. Does anyone else have connections to the Penmaenmawr granite quarry? Apparently it has been in operation for 5000 years! Marilyn Griffiths, Miami Researching Griffiths, Jones, Young/Jung, Ziegenfus

Thanks Arlene, I ordered one on Amazon.co.uk but then had second thoughts as I thought I read somewhere that it was in Welsh. Lorna. -----Original Message----- From: Arlene Berta [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 1:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: The North Wales Quarryman Lorna, The book is in english.....

Hi Sue and All I lost track of the discussion about the book above. Did someone say it was in Welsh? Lorna. -----Original Message----- From: sue adam [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: The North Wales Quarryman Hi all, If you are keen to get your own copy of this book check out Amazon Books who have a few on the list (for varying prices!). Sue Australia ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/brow se_archive.pl ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Lorna, The book is in english. Studies in Welsh History "The North Wales Quarrymen 1874-1922 By R. Merfyn Jones University of Wales Press, 1981 ISBN 0 7083 0776 0 You can usually find used copies on Amazon.com Arlene On Sep 13, 2004, at 4:59 AM, Lorna Jones wrote: > Hi Sue and All > > I lost track of the discussion about the book above. Did someone say > it > was in Welsh? > > Lorna. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sue adam [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 7:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: The North Wales Quarryman > > > Hi all, > If you are keen to get your own copy of this book check out Amazon > Books > who have a few on the list (for varying prices!). > > Sue > Australia > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/ > brow > se_archive.pl > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ > Morwyr Cymru Welsh Mariners > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I don't know about the quarries in the Bethesda area but in the earlier years in Ffestiniog, some women (farmers I think) worked as carters for the quarries. In a Gwynedd Archives exhibition I saw recently there was an entry in a ledger in 1828 for a payment of £28-5-12 [sic] to Jane Evans of Cwmbowydd for carting/carrying slate. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: RE: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > Re: employment of women in the quarries, I'm not sure if women did any jobs > in the quarry. I'll ask my father! With the exception of quarrying, shipping > and fishing, this part of Wales was and still is extremely rural, women > primarily managed small holdings, kept a pig, chickens, grew vegetables, > susbsistence economy. People kept small holdings and quarried. It is a > sparsely populated area. Were it not for the slate quarries perhaps like the > agricultural economy in Ireland and the Llyn peninsula, the industrial > revolution may almost have passed us by! > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 September 2004 09:52 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in Lancashire, > but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have > read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find > women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal > mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. I > wonder why that was? > > Regards > Barbara > > > Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of > > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like > > Lancashire > with > > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, > > > > My g.g. > > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what > > this kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate > > Wagon > (!!), > > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more > > like a rail train? > > >>> > > > Thanks and Regards > > Barbara > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History > > Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > > Bangor University Archives > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Rhian, Yesterday I was on Gathering the Jewels web page listing all the accidents at the quarries and I saw a Margaret Williams. It's written in Welsh so I don't know what happened to her. I didn't have time to do a translation with my dictionary. Arlene I don't know about the quarries in the Bethesda area but in the earlier > years in Ffestiniog, some women (farmers I think) worked as carters for > the > quarries. In a Gwynedd Archives exhibition I saw recently there was an > entry > in a ledger in > 1828 for a payment of £28-5-12 [sic] to Jane Evans of Cwmbowydd for > carting/carrying slate. > > Rhian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wendy Jones" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:14 PM > Subject: RE: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > >> Re: employment of women in the quarries, I'm not sure if women did any > jobs >> in the quarry. I'll ask my father! With the exception of quarrying, > shipping >> and fishing, this part of Wales was and still is extremely rural, women >> primarily managed small holdings, kept a pig, chickens, grew vegetables, >> susbsistence economy. People kept small holdings and quarried. It is a >> sparsely populated area. Were it not for the slate quarries perhaps like > the >> agricultural economy in Ireland and the Llyn peninsula, the industrial >> revolution may almost have passed us by! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 10 September 2004 09:52 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries >> >> >> I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in > Lancashire, >> but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have >> read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find >> women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even >> coal >> mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate >> quarries. > I >> wonder why that was? >> >> Regards >> Barbara >> >> >> > Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of >> > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like >> > Lancashire >> with >> > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries >> > >> > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, >> > >> > My g.g. >> > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what >> > this kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate >> > Wagon >> (!!), >> > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more >> > like a rail train? >> > >>>> > >> > Thanks and Regards >> > Barbara > >> > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History >> > Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ >> > >> > =============================> > Gain access to over two billion names >> including the new Immigration >> > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ===> > >> http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml >> > Bangor University Archives >> > >> > =============================> > Gain access to over two billion names >> including the new Immigration >> > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History >> Society >> www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ >> >> =============================> You can manage your RootsWeb-Review >> subscription from >> http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ===> Rhagorol - online Gwynedd >> Archive >> > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl >> >> =============================> Gain access to over two billion names >> including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ===Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg > neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > =============================Gain access to over two billion names > including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Vicki The occupants of 2 Water St Llanberis in 1871 census were - Hugh Williams, Head, M, a31 quarryman. Elizabeth Williams, Wife, M, a29 (can't make out) Joan Williams, Son, a3 (definitely Joan & son!) In the 1891 census - John Evans, Head, M, 47 blacksmith Margared Evans, wife, M, Thomas J Evans, son, S,15 (Stoker?) locomotive Alice Evans, daug, a10, scholar Ellen M Griffith, visitor, S, a25 However not to disappoint you! I found living at 14 Water Street, Llanberis the following- William P Jones, Head, M, a48, quarryman, born Llanystumdwy, Caerns Mary Anne Jones, Wife, M, a43, born Llangynog, Montgomeryshire William Lloyd Jones, son, a22, quarryman slate, born Penybont Fawr, Montgomeryshire Richard Henry Jones, son, a20, tailor, born Ffestiniog, Merionethshire Catherine Anne Jones, daug, a11, scholar, born Llanberis Robert Richard Jones, son, a8, scholar, born Llanberis Arthur Grant Jones, son, a5, scholar, born Llanberis John Hugh Jones, son, a4, born Llanberis Adeline (??)ry Jones, daug, a11 months, born Llanberis It looks as though you couldn't find them in the 1871 census in Llanberis because they were in Ffestiniog! Judging by the location that the children were born in - the family were in Penybont Fawr (about 36 miles to the south east of Llanberis and 13 miles to the west of Oswestry). Penybont is only two miles from the birth place of Mary Ann Jones - William Lloyd Jones' mother. There were slate quarries in Llangynog - is that what took William Lloyd Jones father there from Llanystumdwy? The family appear to have arrived in Llanberis by 1880. Hope this helps! Ian Jolly North Wales - researching anyone with connections to Ynys Enlli/Bardsey Island. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [CAE] Lost in Llanberis > Hi > The book about the quarrymen > looks v. interesting. My G-G > Grandfather, William JONES and > his son, William LLOYD JONES > both worked in the Cilgwyn > Quarry, Llanberis. William > LLOYD JONES was killed in an > accident there in 1906 so > would be interested to find > out more. > On the same theme. I know that > William LLOYD JONES was born > in Llanberis in about 1870 and > on his wedding certificate (in > 1898) he gives the address > Water Street, Llanberis he > died at 2 Water Street. I have > searched the 1871 and 1891 > census (on Ancestor) without > success. His wife Laura Ellen > JONES was born in Upper > Llandwrog. I cannot find her > in 1891 though on marriage she > is living at Tanyfron, Upper > Llandwrog.(though I did find a > Griffiths family). > Searching for a William JONES > is of course a tough one so > any suggestions gratefully > received - I suspect that the > son added the LLOYD to > distinguish and it became the > family surname down to my > mother. > Thanks > Vicki > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Please excuse my ignorance newbie here but what is the Gathering of the Jewels website? Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene Berta" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected] .com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:59 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Re Quarrymen Maybe we should list all the names of the quarries and the areas where they are. They usually lived near the quarry where the worked. They walked, and many miles some times to get to the quarry. Also, there were barracks where men from long distances would stay during the week and the go home for the weekend. At the Pehrhyn Quarry, men came in from Anglesey. It's all in the book, but I know there should be something on the Gathering of the Jewels website. Arlene > Hi Glenys and all, > > Another question about the quarries. How could one find out just which > quarry their ancestor(s) worked in? How could one find out for instance > whether they were employed in the Penryhyn quarry or the one at Dinorwic > (or > any others)? Or is there no way of knowing seeing as such vast numbers > worked at Penrhyn? Would one get a map of the area at the time you were > interested in and then just kind of assume due to geographic location of > their home and the nearest quarry - well that is were they worked?? Did > Lord Penryhn totally own all quarries in the end or just the biggest one? > > Regards > Barbara > > > >> There is an article written in todays Chronicle (& shorter piece in > Caernarfon & denbigh Herald) that a Mr Ray Bower is seeking planning > approval to install a six foot slate slab as a memorial to the quarrymen > at > Dinorwic on the hills above Llyn Padarn. It will bear a tribute > inscription > bi-lingually, as well as a poem called "I'r Chwarel ai Phobol" (To the > Quarry and it's people) by Norman Closs to remember the quarrymen from > 1788 - 1969 >> >> Glenys >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon >> This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redi r.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=12 37 >> >> >> > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redi r.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=12 37 > > >

Hi William Lloyd Jones mother was ? Griffiths who was born in Clynnog fawr,Llanberis (hence the strange statement in my original email). His father William JONES was b. 1840 in Pen-y-bont Montgomeryshire. Interesting to hear that you had similar experience in your family my G-father was always familiarly known as Thomas Lloyd the family having taken on the LLOYD JONES. I am still hunting for Water Street in Llanberis in any census so if anyone does know pl do let me know. Thanks Vicki Hi Vicki Do you know the surname of your William Lloyd JONES' mother?

Hi Arlene & all interested in quarrymen I have some weeks ago started doing a kind of database in Ecxel of quarry (slate) men living in Clynnog, Llanllyfni areas from the 1891 census (I, like a lot of you am looking for my Gt gt grandfather John Jones NO idea where he was born only that he was a quarryman) & I did notice 1 or 2 men working in this area then 1891 were born Bethesda, Llandegai & Llanberis, some even born Denbighshire. When I'm done hopefully soon I intend to put it on my web page. Will post to the list when it's done. As I've hit a brick wall on my research at the moment I may even do some more census years of all quarrymen. Glenys

Dear All, Thank you very very much to the many, many people who have responded to my requests for maps, quarry locations and identifying places. I have found an old map online on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ which has been very useful, I will send it to myself at work and print out on A3 paper so it is easier to see. I do have a road map of Great Britain which has of course come in handy for modern places. I was born in Liverpool and lived in the UK until I was 28 before migrating to Australia (I still have the accent to prove it too!!) and have been back quite a few times over the years and although I always make a point of going to Wales (land of my fathers??) I have never been back at the same time as I have had an interest in family history matters as this is something I seem to "take up and put down" at various times. So my visits have always been as a kind of "tourist" rather than as a family historian I suppose. I was last back home in October 2002 and did visit Bethesda with my sister. We found 4 Bryn Owen Street where our grandfather Thomas John WILLIAMS was born, there was a village school nearby and although we had our photo's taken outside it and assumed this was the school he had gone to - I didn't make note of the name of it. Llanllechid National School is the school on the Gathering the Jewels page where I found his two sisters, would this have been the same school? And we did seem to find the area where Coed Y Parc was. We went for a drive around and found an old church - I have some photo's (and some WILLIAMS gravestones) if somebody can identify the church that would be good as I didn't note down the name of this one either :( We also saw Penrhyn castle and a lovely little estate of houses nearby but didn't visit inside the castle. Sorry to have rambled on.........but I really do think Arlene needs to get a webpage up and running!! I can see by all these unanswered questions of mine that I really do need to pay another SERIOUS visit to the area. Thanks and Regards Barbara in sunny Sydney via rainy Liverpool

Hi Vicki Do you know the surname of your William Lloyd JONES' mother? My ancestor was John Ellson POVALL.....his father was John POVALL and his mother Anne ELLSON. Her surname was passed down as a middle name until my grandfather Thomas Ellson POVALL, nobody ever knew where his middle name came from, and although my grandfather had 3 sons he stopped the use of Ellson as a middle name. Just a thought.............. Regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: [CAE] Lost in Llanberis > Hi > The book about the quarrymen > looks v. interesting. My G-G > Grandfather, William JONES and > his son, William LLOYD JONES > both worked in the Cilgwyn > Quarry, Llanberis. William > LLOYD JONES was killed in an > accident there in 1906 so > would be interested to find > out more. > On the same theme. I know that > William LLOYD JONES was born > in Llanberis in about 1870 and > on his wedding certificate (in > 1898) he gives the address > Water Street, Llanberis he > died at 2 Water Street. I have > searched the 1871 and 1891 > census (on Ancestor) without > success. His wife Laura Ellen > JONES was born in Upper > Llandwrog. I cannot find her > in 1891 though on marriage she > is living at Tanyfron, Upper > Llandwrog.(though I did find a > Griffiths family). > Searching for a William JONES > is of course a tough one so > any suggestions gratefully > received - I suspect that the > son added the LLOYD to > distinguish and it became the > family surname down to my > mother. > Thanks > Vicki > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Vicki, It's a great website loaded with lots of information on Wales and the lives that our ancestors lived. Arlene > Please excuse my ignorance > newbie here but what is the > Gathering of the Jewels > website? > Vicki > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arlene Berta" > <[email protected]> > To: > <[email protected] > .com> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, > 2004 1:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re Quarrymen > > > Maybe we should list all the > names of the quarries and the > areas where > they are. They usually lived > near the quarry where the > worked. They > walked, and many miles some > times to get to the quarry. > > Also, there were barracks where > men from long distances would > stay during > the week and the go home for > the weekend. At the Pehrhyn > Quarry, men came > in from Anglesey. > > It's all in the book, but I > know there should be something > on the > Gathering of the Jewels > website. > > Arlene > > > > >> Hi Glenys and all, >> >> Another question about the > quarries. How could one find > out just which >> quarry their ancestor(s) > worked in? How could one find > out for instance >> whether they were employed in > the Penryhyn quarry or the one > at Dinorwic >> (or >> any others)? Or is there no > way of knowing seeing as such > vast numbers >> worked at Penrhyn? Would one > get a map of the area at the > time you were >> interested in and then just > kind of assume due to > geographic location of >> their home and the nearest > quarry - well that is were they > worked?? Did >> Lord Penryhn totally own all > quarries in the end or just the > biggest one? >> >> Regards >> Barbara >> >> >> >>> There is an article written > in todays Chronicle (& shorter > piece in >> Caernarfon & denbigh Herald) > that a Mr Ray Bower is seeking > planning >> approval to install a six > foot slate slab as a memorial > to the quarrymen >> at >> Dinorwic on the hills above > Llyn Padarn. It will bear a > tribute >> inscription >> bi-lingually, as well as a > poem called "I'r Chwarel ai > Phobol" (To the >> Quarry and it's people) by > Norman Closs to remember the > quarrymen from >> 1788 - 1969 >>> >>> Glenys >>> >>> >>> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE > Mailing List ==== >>> Cewch ddanfon negeseuon > Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr > hon >>> This list covers a bilingual > area, in which messages in both > Welsh and >> English are welcome >>> >>> > ============================== >>> Gain access to over two > billion names including the new > Immigration >>> Collection with an > Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. >>> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redi > r.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=12 > 37 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE > Mailing List ==== >> Gwynedd Family History > Society >> www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ >> >> > ============================== >> Gain access to over two > billion names including the new > Immigration >> Collection with an > Ancestry.com free trial. Click > to learn more. >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redi > r.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=12 > 37 >> >> >> > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Gwynedd Family History Society > 36 Y Wern Y Felinheli, Gwynedd LL56 4TXX > [email protected] or [email protected] > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Dear Arlene, Thanks for your response. The worst thing was when we went to see the film we thought he'd see some of his contemporaries, at least one or two, but there was no one, mostly sixty somethings and people with academic interest. I knew my father was close to tears and I felt like crying for him too. To think he went through all that age 14 years to 16, then throughhout the second world war, I think the world of him! I've got a copy of the The North Wales Quarryman and another book too on my heaving bookshelves. I'll have a browse when I get a chance. I'm sorry you've lost so many relatives in that way. All the best, Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Arlene Berta [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 08 September 2004 05:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries Wendy, When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what they received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and several uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. They pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The rail line is still in Llandegai. Everyone should really try and find a copy of 'The North Wales Quarryman'. Our ancestors worked very, very hard, for very little. They were like slaves. Little boys working beside their fathers, brothers and uncles. I have a cousin that drives a truck at the quarry now. Thank you for relating your father's story. It's wonderful to be able to share first hand knowledge. I lost many relatives to quarry deaths and then lung disease. One just died this year after many years of suffering. Again, thanks for sharing. Arlene On Sep 7, 2004, at 1:16 AM, Wendy Jones wrote: > It's been interesting to hear the views of those to the 3 year strike > at Penrhyn. My father was a quarryman before and after the Second > World War for a few years. He's still alive at 82, a veteran of the > Second World War. > > His description of the working conditions at Dorothea and Maenofferen > and Llechwedd was that they were like slaves. Somebody was killed > almost every week. A comparison was made in a local article in the > local newspaper fairly recently on the plight of the then quarrymen > and the plight of slaves in America. > > I went to watch a fragment of film about quarrymen 'Men against Death' > in > Dorothea with my father, that was shown in Neuadd Goffa Penygroes. He > knew some of the individuals. The film is being reviewed in a book > about the history of Welsh films. I was shocked at what I saw. Men > working at the bottom of a deep hole. Men clinging to the sides and > blasting, A makeshift corrugated shelter at the bottom. Men looking > out for each other with the blasts as lumps of slate were blasted from > the sides and railed down on those below. Men running for cover into > the corrugated shelter. One or more killed every week. Men walking > silently home in respect for the dead. > The > supervisors still wanting them to work. > > At the same time Plas Newydd, Plas Penrhyn are models of advanced > architecture and design. There was no lack of know how to design safer > working conditions. Why this know how was not extended to the > introduction of safer working conditions I do not know. > > A friend of mine who knows the relatives of the quarry owners, was > visiting the quarry hospital at Llanberis with them (now a museum), > and they, looking at the history and artefacts of the workers' former > lives said....'no wonder they hated us'. The discrepancy between the > standard of living of the quarry owners and the quarry workers was > immense. > > Prior to the acquisition of the quarries by the 'owners', against the > backdrop of industrial revolution, the quarries were small scale > concerns, quarried in conjunction with the running of small holdings. > The local small scale quarrymen lost control of their own livelihoods > through their different approach to land ownership. They were the > 'indians' and they lost their land through what has become modern > 'law'. Mass, labour intensive, extraction of slate became the order of > the day. The intensification and expansion of production led to a > dislocation of agriculture and a source of subsidence and an over > dependence, for the quarrymen on quarrying as their sole source of > income. > > Seems still to touch a nerve! 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Hi The book about the quarrymen looks v. interesting. My G-G Grandfather, William JONES and his son, William LLOYD JONES both worked in the Cilgwyn Quarry, Llanberis. William LLOYD JONES was killed in an accident there in 1906 so would be interested to find out more. On the same theme. I know that William LLOYD JONES was born in Llanberis in about 1870 and on his wedding certificate (in 1898) he gives the address Water Street, Llanberis he died at 2 Water Street. I have searched the 1871 and 1891 census (on Ancestor) without success. His wife Laura Ellen JONES was born in Upper Llandwrog. I cannot find her in 1891 though on marriage she is living at Tanyfron, Upper Llandwrog.(though I did find a Griffiths family). Searching for a William JONES is of course a tough one so any suggestions gratefully received - I suspect that the son added the LLOYD to distinguish and it became the family surname down to my mother. Thanks Vicki

Dear Barbara, Did you know that there is a Welsh society in Sydney? I lived in Sydney for a few years in the late seventies to 1980. Some of the people who were in the Welsh church had come out with schemes from the quarries. Tom Roberts, who was 80 then had come out in the 1920s and worked in tin mines out there. He had a stone house on the North shore and I had a pork chop with mashed potatoes and bread and butter there for tea! I know there are some people there who are familiar with this area. The society has a web page. Best wishes, Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 September 2004 09:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries Hi Wendy Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the right direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can pinpoint places? Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in Lancashire, but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. I wonder why that was? Regards Barbara > Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, > small village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like > Lancashire with > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've > got a > couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them > on inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what > > they received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and > > several uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. > > They pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The > > rail line is still in Llandegai. > > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, > > This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of > "meat to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai > area has so far > been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what > this kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate > Wagon (!!), > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more > like a rail train? > > On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at Cilgeraint > Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? > > Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but > it doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a > wider search, > can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the > Great Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? > Which has > just made me think of something else..............were girls ever > employed in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working > there and I know > that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and factories > back in the "good old days." > > Thanks and Regards > Barbara > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History > Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml > Bangor University Archives > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Hi Meirion I have to admit to not being too "good" with deaths in my family tree research. But this is something I will definitely take into account when I can't find one of my missing ones. 39 is such a young age to die.......unless of course you are 20, when this is considered to be an old timer..... Barb in Sydney.........WAY PAST 39........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hughes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr > Hi Barbara, > > You ladies seem to have a great interest in the hardships suffered by > quarrymen. How about this? There was a time when a quarryman could only > expect to live to the age of > 39 and this was not due to accidents, but the lung disease called > Silicosis. The average age an agricultural worker could expect to live in > the same period was 67. The Dinorwic Quarry closed almost 40 years ago, and > yet ex quarrymen are still dying from the disease. An ex union official died > a couple of months ago aged 78, and he was a sufferer. Not only that but do > you know that all persons who had worked in the quarry and receiving > invalidity benefit from this industrial disease are given post mortems? > > Oh! yes. The Quarry was the biggest killer in this area and I had 5 > brothers-in-law who died of Silicosis, each one suffering and for many years > before finally succumbing to it, after months/years on oxygen. > > Regards, > > Meirion > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CAE] bradwyr > > > > > > Hi again Thomas and Ian > > > > Thank you so much for your input into this thread I started. It is > amazing > > to think that in the days before social welfare you could be considered a > > traitor to go to work to put food on the table for your family. I didn't > > realise that local people still bore such bitterness against the > descendants > > of the "bradwyr's". > > > > I have learnt so much just recently, it has been a wonderful lesson in > > social history. > > > > I have been "doing the family tree" on and off now for about 10 years, but > > really only recently got into my father's side. Because of the name > > WILLIAMS being so common in Wales I thought I would start with my mother's > > more unusual name of POVALL when I first began this "hobby" of ours. > > > > The other day I found a wonderful site > > > > http://www.worldwidewales.tv/index2.php > > > > You can sit at your computer and watch narrated films (in English or > Welsh) > > of historic events or tours around places all over Wales as well as > > biographies of famous Welsh people. If you go to "Historic Events" in > Step > > 1 and then click on Step 2 "Penryhn Quarry & the Great Strike" you will > see > > a film clip of the events we have been talking about and also a view of > "one > > of the largest man made holes on the planet and the largest slate quarry > in > > the world" Penrhyn Quarry. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian Thompson's assessment of the Penrhyn Strike situation is to be > > > applauded. What we should remember is that it was not a Black and White > > > issue. There were those who returned to the Quarry for good and bad > > reasons. > > > Some could not bear to see their half starved families, whilst others > > > accepted the £1 bribe offered by the Squire (Punt y Gynffon) so they > could > > > enjoy a few drinks in the Pub. However, at the time both were tarred > with > > > the same brush and called BRADWYR. > > > > > > History has not been kind to the former because of the actions of the > > > latter, but what should be stressed in no uncertain terms is that > EVERYONE > > > lost out by the Strike, > > > The Squire, the Strikers who refused to return to work on a point of > > > principal and those who swallowed their pride and did for whatever > reason. > > > It was a NO WIN Situation and that is the way the Strike should be > > > remembered. Not with malice towards those who broke the strike and > towards > > > their children, their grandchildren and even great grandchildren. Why > > should > > > the innocents of today bear a cross for the actions of their ancestors? > It > > > is time that the people of the area forgot about the mistakes of a > century > > > ago. Possibly books like Y CHWALFA, T Rowland Hughes, and more recent > ones > > > written in English have a lot to answer for. > > > > > > No! Neither I nor my family were interested parties. > > > > > > T. Meirion Huighes. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:26 PM > > > Subject: [CAE] bradwyr > > > > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > I was interested to read about strike-breaking in Penrhyn. My > > grandmother > > > > used to talk about my gt grandfather going out in Birkenhead in the > > > General > > > > Strike of 1926 to work when many others weren't doing with a red > armband > > > on. > > > > His explanation was that at a time of poor employment, and with 10 > > > children, > > > > he couldn't afford to miss one day's work. I know that his decision > > > > attracted the opprobrium of neighbours and workmates so it must have > > been > > > a > > > > difficult decision to make. 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Dear Barbara, Llandegai is on the outskirts of Bangor and I think you'll see it on any ordinance map of the area fairly easily. Bethesda is a separate village approximately 6 or thereabouts miles away. I'm never sure where Llanllechid is, I think it's part of Bethesda but I'm not sure. If you contacted the Planning Department at Gwynedd Council or the archives in Caernarfon they would be able to tell you, or perhaps send you map, or someone else online local to the area. There may be an online map from a recent census showing enumeration districts in the area. Re: employment of women in the quarries, I'm not sure if women did any jobs in the quarry. I'll ask my father! With the exception of quarrying, shipping and fishing, this part of Wales was and still is extremely rural, women primarily managed small holdings, kept a pig, chickens, grew vegetables, susbsistence economy. People kept small holdings and quarried. It is a sparsely populated area. Were it not for the slate quarries perhaps like the agricultural economy in Ireland and the Llyn peninsula, the industrial revolution may almost have passed us by! -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 September 2004 09:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries Hi Wendy Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the right direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can pinpoint places? Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in Lancashire, but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. I wonder why that was? Regards Barbara > Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, > small village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of > opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like > Lancashire with > the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've > got a > couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them > on inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > > > > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what > > they received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and > > several uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. > > They pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The > > rail line is still in Llandegai. > > Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, > > This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of > "meat to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai > area has so far > been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. > grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what > this kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate > Wagon (!!), > but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more > like a rail train? > > On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at Cilgeraint > Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? > > Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but > it doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a > wider search, > can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the > Great Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? > Which has > just made me think of something else..............were girls ever > employed in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working > there and I know > that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and factories > back in the "good old days." > > Thanks and Regards > Barbara > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History > Society www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Try http://www.multimap.com/ or http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ for modern day maps at various scales down to street level. Often a search on a smaller location (such as a street) may show up on one but not the other. (Note that you can search by 'street' on 'advanced search' on Multimap and they also have aerials photographs of the area covered by the map. For older maps circa late 1800's try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Ian Jolly from a wet North Wales (particularly on Bardsey Island this morning, which we - BBC Radio Wales family history programme staff and I - had to flee this morning as the weather deteriorated!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries > Hi Wendy > > Well I have to admit I am finding the whole Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid > (sp?) a little confusing here. I know this is due to the parishes and > boundaries of the times but still.........can anybody point me in the > right > direction of where I can buy a map or find some indication of how I can > pinpoint places? > > Mostly my previous research has been in Liverpool and Cheshire. Liverpool > being of course a large city with specific streets, roads, boundaries. > Cheshire has been a little more difficult but I think I have the hang of > it.........but the Bethesda/Llandegai/Llanechid is a little more puzzling. > > I hear what you are saying about the factories and such like in > Lancashire, > but find it strange that no women were employed in the quarries. I have > read many books on the social conditions of the "good old days" and find > women and children being employed in various factories, mills - even coal > mines and yet there appear to be no women employed in the slate quarries. > I > wonder why that was? > > Regards > Barbara > > > > > > >> Dear Barbara, I think Cilgeraint is a street, Llandegai is a pretty, >> small >> village. Women usually worked in service, there wasn't a lot of >> opportunities for women in an otherwise rural area..not like Lancashire > with >> the mills. I think it's held the women's movement back in Wales. I've got > a >> couple of books about the slate quarry's. I think you could get them on >> inter library loan. All the best from the outskirts of Caernarfon, Wendy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 09 September 2004 20:28 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CAE] Re: debate on strikes at Penrhyn and other quarries >> >> >> > When you hear the lives they lived, how hard they work, and what they >> > received in return, it makes you angry. My grandfather and several >> > uncles, started working at Penrhyn Quarry as 8 year olds. They >> > pulled the carts that took the slate up to the rail cars. The rail >> > line is still in Llandegai. >> >> Hi Arlene, Wendy and all, >> >> This whole thread has been SO interesting. It kind of adds a bit of >> "meat >> to the bones." Every one of my ancestors from the Llandegai area has so > far >> been a slate quarryman and I have learnt so much just recently. My g.g. >> grandfather was a Slate Waggon (sic) Driver in 1864, do you know what >> this >> kind of job would have entailed? Well obviously driving a Slate Wagon > (!!), >> but how was it powered etc? Was it just some kind of cart or more like a >> rail train? >> >> On the birth certificate of his son, they are shown as living at > Cilgeraint >> Incline, Llandegai, is this a "village" or just the name of a street? >> >> Arlene, I have been on eBay and looked for the book you recommend, but it >> doesn't seem to be available in Australia, I will have to do a wider > search, >> can you tell us a little about it? Is it just concerned with the Great >> Strike or does it give an overall picture of life for these men? Which > has >> just made me think of something else..............were girls ever >> employed >> in the quarry as I see you mention 8 year old boys working there and I > know >> that both boys and girls were employed in say the cotton mills and > factories >> back in the "good old days." >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Barbara >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== Gwynedd Family History Society >> www.gwynedd.fsbusiness.co.uk/ >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/inst/uwbangor.shtml >> Bangor University Archives >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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