On the Conwy Archives website since yesterday is a record of the names of those commemmorated on war memorials in Llandudno and surrounding area, including on memorial stones inside buildings, such as chapels and the fire station. The data was originally compiled by local volunteers on behalf of the National Inventory of War Memorials and includes serving officers as well as those killed in the First and Second World Wars and the Boer War. http://www.conwy.gov.uk/drwar.asp?cat=2435&doc=2710 Further local history material is due soon on the site. Rhian

Hello Patricia, It is very kind of you to offer , I haven't had any replies, but if I should I receive the information I will let you know straight away. Richard Hughes was my husband's Great grandfather but we are finding it very difficult to obtain any further information except that his father was Robert. We are very grateful Best Wishes Joan and Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [CAE] Caerhun > Hello Joan, > I do not have access to these at home but could look up for you when I next > go to archives in Llandudno. I know they are closing for stock taking very > soon. If no-one on list can help you earlier, then I shall do it for you. > > Patricia Williams > Llanrwst > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P & J Williams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:58 AM > Subject: [CAE] Caerhun > > > > Yesterday I asked if anyone would be kind enough to look up the 1841 or > > 1851 census for Caerhun. > > > > I think the address is (please excuse spelling) Rhallt Wyllt and hopefully > > a Richard Hughes born 1821 and his father Robert and mother either Anne or > > Mary, > > > > Thank you > > > > Joan > > New Zealand > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > > English are welcome > > > > ============================== > > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_a rchive.pl > > ============================== > New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx >

Could the children have the original surname of Davies from the first marriage of the wife but be sometimes be known as Williams as their step-father's family? Not sure why the wife would have Davies though, unless they weren't really married? Just a suggestion. Rhian ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [CAE] FW: John Jones 1871 census > Hi, Did my email get caught by that bug? > I asked for help with a census 1881 stating that Ellis Williams name as > Ellis Williams BUT > Wife Ellen and children have Davies behind their names with Williams in > brackets. I asked if anyone knew why it was listed this way. > One of only a few requests since I have joined the list. > Thelma > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and English are welcome > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Yesterday I asked if anyone would be kind enough to look up the 1841 or 1851 census for Caerhun. I think the address is (please excuse spelling) Rhallt Wyllt and hopefully a Richard Hughes born 1821 and his father Robert and mother either Anne or Mary, Thank you Joan New Zealand

Rhian, Thought of that but just wondered what it meant to people who know the census ins and outs. Thanks for the reply. Thelma

>'Crockford's Clerical Directory started in 1858, but for the Caernarfon >area, the best source is A.I. Pryce 'The Diocese of Bangor during Three >Centuries' (Cardiff 1929), which is a transcript of the Bishop's Registers >from 1660 to 1899. > > >Edward Evans B.A. ([St]Catherine Hall, Cambridge) was ordained deacon 30 >Jan. 1831, priest 18 Dec. 1831 and appointed Curate of Llanidloes. I can't >see any other appointments listed for him in Pryce. Bear in mind that >Pryce's work is a transcript, and Llanidloes may be an error. I suspect Ed. >Evans may have been curate of Llanbeblig (Caernarfon) or Betws Garmon. > >You might find some useful info in 'Alumni Cantabrigiensis' [Cambridge]. >This can usually be found in larger academic libraries, and sometimes give >d.o.b., father's name, graduation details, and susequent career. > >Regards, > >David Price, Bangor Thanks so much for this, David. The University of Manitoba - my employer for 30+ years, has both "Alumni Cantabrigiensis" and "Alumni Oxo.. whatever" (I did take Latin for five years at Birkenhead School but, sad to say, most of it has evaporated from my brain)! Realizing that most clerics of the time were Oxbridge educated, I looked at both the alumni registers. I noted the man you mention, along with MANY other Edward Evans but, seeing nothing about Spratton, Northants, I thought no more about him. I will take another look at the Cambridge records. The pages from the Llanbeblig baptismal registers of which I have copies show: (i) the officiant of the marriage between George AUSTIN and Grace JONES (Jan 2, 1838) at Llanbeblig was Robert Williams, Curate. (ii) between Oct 14 and Dec 8, 1838, only one baptism performed by Edw. Evans, Curate of Spratton, Northants -- that of Elizabeth Mary AUSTIN, my greatgrandmother's older sister. The Vicar at that time seems to have been T. Thomas and the Curate J.P. (maybe R) Morgan. There is one mention of E. Willliams, Officiating Minister, just 3 days before the baptism of my Elizabeth Mary AUSTIN. I do not have records of marriages & deaths in that period but, next time at the Caernarfon records, I'll check: (iii) The officiant at the baptism of my greatgrandmother, Mary Anne AUSTIN, on March 11, 1840, was T. Thomas, Vicar of Llanbeblig. (iv)The officiant at the baptism of Catherina (Kate) AUSTIN, on May 15, 1842, was J.P. MORGAN, Curate. Both he and Robert WILLIAMS, Curate, are found on the same page of the register. Apparently there were two curates at the time. (v) The officiant at the second marriage of Grace AUSTIN (Jones), Mar 19, 1849, was Thomas THOMAS, Vicar of Llanbeblig. So, the latter was Vicar throughout the period of my interest. So, from what I have -- admittedly a small sample of the Llanbeblig records -- Edw. Evans of Spratton, Northants, seems to have performed just one ceremony. That's why I thought perhaps he was a friend of George AUSTIN. Next time I'm in Caernarfon I'll try to look at the Llanbeblig records again just to see if Edw EVANS appears in another ceremony. Regards Dave Burton. __________________________________________________________________ David N. Burton, B.Sc., Ph.D., 95 Thatcher Drive Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2L6 Phone: (204)-269-8774 EMail: [email protected] "My play was a triumph but the audience was a disaster". Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________________________

Forgot to change the subject line sorry. Thelma

Hi, Did my email get caught by that bug? I asked for help with a census 1881 stating that Ellis Williams name as Ellis Williams BUT Wife Ellen and children have Davies behind their names with Williams in brackets. I asked if anyone knew why it was listed this way. One of only a few requests since I have joined the list. Thelma

Hello Joan, I do not have access to these at home but could look up for you when I next go to archives in Llandudno. I know they are closing for stock taking very soon. If no-one on list can help you earlier, then I shall do it for you. Patricia Williams Llanrwst ----- Original Message ----- From: "P & J Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:58 AM Subject: [CAE] Caerhun > Yesterday I asked if anyone would be kind enough to look up the 1841 or > 1851 census for Caerhun. > > I think the address is (please excuse spelling) Rhallt Wyllt and hopefully > a Richard Hughes born 1821 and his father Robert and mother either Anne or > Mary, > > Thank you > > Joan > New Zealand > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Cewch ddanfon negeseuon Cymraeg neu Saesneg i'r rhestr hon > This list covers a bilingual area, in which messages in both Welsh and > English are welcome > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Another letter which has been affected by the list bugs - please respond to Michael and not to me - Alwyn List Admin -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jones [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 09 November 2004 16:06 To: [email protected] Subject: 1871 census Hello, Has anyone got the 1971 census for Wales? I am looking for the impossible I am looking for a John Jones told you the impossible. The father is a John Jones I don't know the mother name but my grandfather is a John Robert Jones born in 1864 and I can not find him anywhere I know he had a sister her name is Dorothy so I am looking for all these names together on the 1871 census. I know it's north Wales. John Jones John Robert Jones Dorothy Jones Can anyone HELP Regards Joyce Jones.Great Barr, Birmingham. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 28/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 27/10/2004

David has sent this response, but because of recent list hic-coughs it doesn’t seem to have made it to the list. ____________________________________________________________________________ 'Crockford's Clerical Directory started in 1858, but for the Caernarfon area, the best source is A.I. Pryce 'The Diocese of Bangor during Three Centuries' (Cardiff 1929), which is a transcript of the Bishop's Registers from 1660 to 1899. Edward Evans B.A. ([St]Catherine Hall, Cambridge) was ordained deacon 30 Jan. 1831, priest 18 Dec. 1831 and appointed Curate of Llanidloes. I can't see any other appointments listed for him in Pryce. Bear in mind that Pryce's work is a transcript, and Llanidloes may be an error. I suspect Ed. Evans may have been curate of Llanbeblig (Caernarfon) or Betws Garmon. You might find some useful info in 'Alumni Cantabrigiensis' [Cambridge]. This can usually be found in larger academic libraries, and sometimes give d.o.b., father's name, graduation details, and susequent career. Regards, David Price, Bangor -----Original Message----- From: Dave Burton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 November 2004 02:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [CAE] Geo. AUSTIN of Caernarfon & the Rev Edw. Evans, Curate of Spratton. For the past 25 years, I've been trying to track down the origins of one of my greatgreatgrandfathers, George AUSTIN but, so far, without success. George AUSTIN married Grace JONES at Llanbeblig (Caernarfon) in 1838. They had three daughters in Caernarfon and, on the records of their births and baptisms, he is variously described as gentleman, half-pay officer, military officer, captain in the army. His father is given as William AUSTIN, military officer. His second child, Mary Ann(e) who was my greatgrandmother, was born in 1840 and the birth was registered by him on Mar 11, 1840. The baptism was performed the same day according to the PRs, so he was almost certainly present. He is described as Captain in the German Legion. Despite hours of searching through military records, I've been unable to find him. Tne Spratton, Northants, connection is this: his first daughter (for whom there is no civil birth record) was baptised at Llanbeblig on Nov 10, 1838. The officiating clergyman was Edw. Evans, Curate of Spratton, Northants. This was the only ceremony this clergyman performed in Llanbeblig, so far as I can determine. So, I was wondering if, perhaps, this curate was a family friend who -- a stretch I admit -- might have been from the same area as George AUSTIN. On the other hand he could have just been on holiday in N Wales and found himself roped in to help the local incumbent! If anyone on the list has access to Crockford's Clergy Directory could I ask for a look-up for this curate. We are talking about 1838 or thereabout. I've asked this question on the Northants list but, the Rootsweb situation being what it is at present, I have no idea (or replies) if anyone on that list has seen my message. TIA Dave Burton Winnipeg, Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.784 / Virus Database: 530 - Release Date: 27/10/2004

I wonder if anyone who has access to the 1841 and 1851 census for Caerhun would be kind enough to look for a ROBERT HUGHES age not known son RICHARD HUGHES born 1821 in Caerhun, I should be very grateful for your help, Thank you, Joan

For the past 25 years, I've been trying to track down the origins of one of my greatgreatgrandfathers, George AUSTIN but, so far, without success. George AUSTIN married Grace JONES at Llanbeblig (Caernarfon) in 1838. They had three daughters in Caernarfon and, on the records of their births and baptisms, he is variously described as gentleman, half-pay officer, military officer, captain in the army. His father is given as William AUSTIN, military officer. His second child, Mary Ann(e) who was my greatgrandmother, was born in 1840 and the birth was registered by him on Mar 11, 1840. The baptism was performed the same day according to the PRs, so he was almost certainly present. He is described as Captain in the German Legion. Despite hours of searching through military records, I've been unable to find him. Tne Spratton, Northants, connection is this: his first daughter (for whom there is no civil birth record) was baptised at Llanbeblig on Nov 10, 1838. The officiating clergyman was Edw. Evans, Curate of Spratton, Northants. This was the only ceremony this clergyman performed in Llanbeblig, so far as I can determine. So, I was wondering if, perhaps, this curate was a family friend who -- a stretch I admit -- might have been from the same area as George AUSTIN. On the other hand he could have just been on holiday in N Wales and found himself roped in to help the local incumbent! If anyone on the list has access to Crockford's Clergy Directory could I ask for a look-up for this curate. We are talking about 1838 or thereabout. I've asked this question on the Northants list but, the Rootsweb situation being what it is at present, I have no idea (or replies) if anyone on that list has seen my message. TIA Dave Burton Winnipeg, Canada __________________________________________________________________ David N. Burton, B.Sc., Ph.D., 95 Thatcher Drive Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2L6 Phone: (204)-269-8774 EMail: [email protected] "My play was a triumph but the audience was a disaster". Oscar Wilde __________________________________________________________________

Dear List, Can't remember who is interested but found two will refs to Maes Y Geirchan, Bangor. Suspect you already have them but.. William Williams 1749/38 John Williams 1727/52 Yours, Ian London SW9

Thanks, Ian, good info. Yes I did have it but one never knows, I might not have. Bonnie Alberta, Canada Researching: W I L L I A M S - Maes y Geirchan, B a n g o r, CAE.; Storm Cottage, S t. A s a p h, DEN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 1:48 AM Subject: [CAE] Maes y Geirchan > Dear List, > Can't remember who is interested but found two will refs to Maes Y > Geirchan, Bangor. Suspect you already have them but.. > William Williams 1749/38 > John Williams 1727/52 > Yours, > Ian > London SW9 > >

Thanks, Maggi, for responding to my question. Marilyn Griffiths

--Hello to the List I am currently visiting this list to see if anyone could assist me with a lookup. James Evans Pwelhhi June 1856 11b page 468 Can anyone find him on the 1861 census? and has anyone any information about a Edward Evans and Mary Roberts Festiniog 11b page 801 -Marriage Thanks for any help or thoughts... Lynda from Canada

Hello- I'm trying to find information on my great grandmother and her family. One of her children, Ellen Jones, was born in Nefyn in 1880, according to census returns. Can someone tell me where that birth would be registered? Thanks in advance for any help. Marilyn Griffiths Florida

Hello Ian, I have not had my copy yet either! Patricia Llanrwst ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Thompson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [CAE] Gwynedd Roots > Dear List, > Has anyone got their Gwynedd Roots/Gwreiddiau Gwynedd yet? I was > wondering if there has been a problem with mine as I always look forward > to getting it at this time of year. > Ian > London SW9 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_archive.pl > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

No, I haven't yet either. Diana Hertford UK ----- Original Message ----- From: I Thompson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: [CAE] Gwynedd Roots > Dear List, > Has anyone got their Gwynedd Roots/Gwreiddiau Gwynedd yet? I was wondering > if there has been a problem with mine as I always look forward to getting it > at this time of year. > Ian > London SW9 > > > > ==== WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Rhagorol - online Gwynedd Archive > http://www.gwynedd.gov.uk/adrannau/addysg/archifau/Rhagorol/cgi-bin/browse_a rchive.pl > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >