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    1. Fw: [WLS-BRE] Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists - Last Call for Views (cross-posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. Forwarded to the Breconshire List on behalf of Vivien, who inadvertently addressed the message to me personally. I have added the answer to Vivien's question. Vivien <[email protected]> wrote: For those of us who have been on a list for some time could you please remind us how to join a new list. ================= Dear Listers, To SUBSCRIBE *to* a list, compose an e-mail containing just the one word SUBSCRIBE (and no other) and send it to the relevant address from the list below. To UNSUBSCRIBE *from* a list, compose an e-mail containing just the one word UNSUBSCRIBE (and no other) and send it to the relevant address from the list below. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] If you wish to subscribe in Digest Mode, replace the L by D in the relevant address above. Similarly, if you wish to UNsubscribe from Digest Mode, replace the L by D. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists

    02/10/2006 12:32:03
    1. Changing from the Brecon list
    2. Mike Palmer
    3. I'm only really interested in Brecon within Wales, as my Walter Williams from Brecon moved to Worcester, but I think I've seen a "Borders" list, perhaps I should change to this. I was hoping I might learn something about the people and an area I don't know on the Brecon list. Vivien

    02/09/2006 04:17:28
    1. Changes to mailing list
    2. Jack Hayes
    3. Hi ...List I'm sure the amalgamation of these lists will benefit all counties, the boundaries moved over the years especially Brecknock who overlapped more than one county, people moved over boundaries, this must be an benefit and asset to all concerned! I wish it all the best ...go for it! Best wishes ... Jack Hayes Researching......... Hayes & Pugh in Brecon

    02/09/2006 04:17:23
    1. Fw: [WLS-BRE] Re: Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. Forwarded to the List on behalf of Wanda Erwin, who inadvertently addressed her message to me personally. Please respond to [email protected] and not to me personally. John Ball Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Erwin" <[email protected]> To: "John Ball" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-BRE] Re: Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting) I see no problem with the changes. They will make posting more accessible to all lists. W Erwin --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

    02/09/2006 01:53:26
    1. Fw: [WLS-MGY] Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists - Last Call for Vie...
    2. John Ball
    3. **Copied to all the Mid-Wales lists because Shirley raises an important point.** Shirley <[email protected]> wrote: Hi John and Julie I'm sure as List Administrators you have the interests of your subscribers at heart and will continue to do your best to help us researchers, so whatever you decide to do, I will support. However, I trust that it will not effect membership of Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society and that the individual county Societies will continue. My ancestors were born in Montgomeryshire and so was I ~ not Powys. =============== Dear Shirley, and fellow listers, The BRE, MGY, RAD, and Powys mailing lists are hosted by RootsWeb. They have NO CONNECTION with the family history societies and genealogical societies covering these areas. Changes of emphasis on the mailing lists will have no detrimental effect on membership of family history societies. Indeed, an increase in list activity and enthusiasm may lead to an increase in interest in local family history groups. We would expect and encourage members of the mailing lists to join the groups relevant to their area(s) of interest. For Mid-Wales interests, the relevant groups are: Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society - http://home.freeuk.net/montgensoc/ Powys Family History Society - http://www.rootsweb.com/~wlspfhs/ Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists

    02/09/2006 01:39:43
    1. Re: Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. **Copied to BRE, MGY, RAD and Powys Lists** On the Powys List, Andrew Price <[email protected]> wrote: ...the fact remains that right now we can elect which boundaries we cross & which we do not. While for many it will make sense to adopt the boundaries of the new proposed group, for many others it will be different boundaries that are relevant. How will any changes actually work? Is there a formal vote or is it a decision of the list admins? ============= Dear Listers, Andrew raises an important issue - "How will any changes actually work?" Ultimately, the outcome will lie with list members who are currently subscribed only to the BRE or MGY or RAD lists. If they are persuaded by the arguments that it would be an advantage to subscribe and contribute to the Powys List, then that is what they will do. They will also decide whether it is worth their remaining on a single county list which has such a low level of activity. As we keep reiterating, the single county lists will not disappear. They will not be closed down. But those who choose to ignore the benefits of belonging to the longer-established, more active, and better-supported Powys List will be depriving themselves of a terrific resource and pool of expertise, whose interests cover all three of the Mid-Wales counties. As list administrators, Julie Preston and I decided to promote the value of the Powys List for the benefit of those on single county lists, who must sometimes have wondered whether they were the only people there! We've encouraged discussion so everyone will be aware of the pros and cons. If there is a move to the Powys list and away from the single county lists, it will make little difference to the administrative workload. We have nothing to gain personally from such an outcome. There will be no formal vote, nothing will be imposed, it will be up to you all, as list members, to vote with your feet. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists

    02/09/2006 01:17:11
    1. Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists - Last Call for Views (cross-posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. **Cross-posting from Julie Preston and John Ball** (List Administrators) *Last Call for Your Views* We'd like to say a big Thank-You to all of you who have voiced your opinions on the proposed change of emphasis in the four Mid-Wales mailing lists. If you haven't yet had your say, there is still time to add your two-pennyworth, but don't delay. We'd like to close the discussion by tomorrow morning (UK time). As you'll have seen, the contributions so far have covered a wide spectrum of opinion, from a wholehearted "Let's go for it", to "It's a bad idea", however the general feeling is that we should go ahead. We'd like to reassure everyone that the BRE, MGY, and RAD would *not* be closed. No one would be unsubscribed against their wishes. Anyone can stay with the single-county lists if they feel inclined, but the main focus of activity would be on the Powys List. We would encourage anyone not currently subscribed to the Powys List to join us. We look forward to seeing the views of those of you who have not yet contributed to the discussion. Kind regards, Julie Preston and John Ball Joint Administrators for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists

    02/09/2006 10:32:04
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting)
    2. Jane Doherty
    3. It sounds sensible to me. I am on Powys and Wales-Breconshire, but didn't even know the Radnorshire one existed. Thank you for what you do Jane

    02/08/2006 01:54:49
    1. Re: Having one Powys list
    2. Having one list is fine with me. My ancestors always seemed to straddle areas anyway. Barbara Good

    02/08/2006 06:09:33
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting)
    2. Dewi Evans
    3. Dear John and List, my interest is purely in Breconshire, and that only up to approx 1890 when the branches moved to Glamorgan. As such I can hardly be called an active poster on either list - especially at times, such as now when my research is concentrating on another branch of my family. However, due to the lack of traffic on the Brecon list, and that most people seem to also appear on Powys, I have also subscribed to the Powys list. I would say that the majority of postings are not relevant to me, but in the postings are always suggestions, which could well be of use for future research. I would say that a single list for Powys would make sense, and result in a lot less work for the list administrators. Go for it. Dewi > --- Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht --- > Von: "John Ball" <[email protected]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: [WLS-BRE] Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists > (cross-posting) > Datum: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:33:18 -0000 > -- Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch? NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie

    02/08/2006 02:44:48
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting)
    2. PAM GRIFFITHS
    3. I would be more than happy to have one Powys list - I need not then subscribe to others, which I was in process of doing. Pam

    02/07/2006 03:50:30
    1. Possible changes to Mid-Wales mailing lists (cross-posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. **Cross-posting from Julie Preston and John Ball** Dear Listers, As joint administrators of the four Mid-Wales mailing lists, we would like to hear your views on the future status of the Powys, Breconshire (BRE), Montgomeryshire (MGY), and Radnorshire (RAD) lists. But first let us explain the background to our request. Those of you subscribed to any of the neighbouring Cardiganshire (CGN), Pembrokeshire (PEM), and Dyfed mailing lists, will know that important changes have recently been taking place there. With his list members' agreement, list administrator Gareth Hicks has encouraged his members to transfer their membership and their list activity to the Dyfed List and in effect to abandon the much smaller and less active CGN and PEM lists. The early signs are that the change has resulted in a renewal of interest and activity on the formerly rather moribund Dyfed List. In some ways, our four Mid Wales mailing lists are in a similar situation. Although our Powys List is quite healthy, the amount of activity on the BRE, MGY, and RAD lists is very small. Historically, the Powys List (established in 1997) predates the separate county lists by several years and has always had a stronger membership and offered a larger pool of expertise. The separate county lists of BRE, MGY, and RAD were created at the insistence of Rootsweb, rather than out of any expressed need from the grass roots membership. The Powys List covers the interests of all three of the separate county lists. Realising this, many of you are already subscribed to the Powys List as well as to at least one of the separate county lists. The amount of activity on the mailing lists, and the numbers of members subscribed to the lists, seems to reflect the populations of these counties when our ancestors lived there (see 1851 population figures below). County Population List membership BRE - 61,000 178 MGY - 68,000 209 RAD - 25,000 142 Powys - 154,000** 405 PEM - 94,000 311 CGN - 71,000 205 CMN - 111,000 ? Dyfed - 276,000** 379 MON - 157,000 ? GLA - 232,000 ? [PEM, CGN, and Dyfed list membership figures are from before the recent changes.] **Dyfed and Powys population figures are totals of constituent historic counties. There seems to be a threshold of population, perhaps around 100,000, below which a county list will find it difficult to survive. The populations of BRE, MGY and RAD are well below this 'critical mass', throwing into doubt the long-term viability of their associated mailing lists. The populations of Monmouthshire, and particularly Glamorgan, are well above the critical mass, so the MON and GLA lists are vibrant and self-sustaining. We recommend that existing members of the BRE, MGY, and RAD lists subscribe to the Powys List, and then unsubscribe from the individual county lists. This action will consolidate the membership of the Powys List and secure its future. The BRE, MGY, and RAD lists would still exist, but in a token sense only. Eventually, only we list administrators would remain subscribed to those lists in order to redirect new subscribers to the Powys List. An additional benefit would be the virtual elimination of the need for cross postings and the nuisance of receiving duplicate messages. Okay, so we have set out *our* views as your list administrators. Now we want you to tell us what *you* think! Tell us the pros and cons of the proposed changes as you see them. Please respond on just *one* of the Mid-Wales lists to which you are subscribed - use the Powys List if you are subscribed to it. [To join Powys, send a 'subscribe' e-mail to [email protected] replacing the L by D for the digest version]. But please, please, send your views to the List and *not* to us privately. We look forward to hearing your views. Many thanks, Julie Preston and John Ball ---------------------------- Joint Administrators for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists

    02/07/2006 12:33:18
    1. AOL / RootsWeb mail problem - Update (Cross-posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. Dear Listers, I've received the following good news about the AOL problem. Listers who are AOL account holders can expect to see the backlog of blocked messages begin to arrive in their mailboxes. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Billinghurst" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:24 PM Subject: [LOEW] [info] AOL looks to have opened its doors to RootsWeb mail In the last few hours, it seems that AOL has whitelist'd RootsWeb's mailing list servers and mail is flowing through again. As we have about 100 000 messages spooled to deliver and I do not wish to overwhelm mailboxes at AOL, I have started a drip feed delivery to AOL/Netscape/CS/WMConnect. This delivery will look to deliver the mail over the next 90-100 hours. I will review the delivery in about 24 hours to see how things are progressing. Regards, Andrew RootsWeb staff - mailing lists and mail -- Andrew Billinghurst <[email protected]> Adopt-a-mailing list -> http://resources.rootsweb.com/adopt/ Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

    01/31/2006 11:06:31
    1. Bounced Messages - Cross posting
    2. John Ball
    3. Dear Listers, I have been notified by the Powys List mail server that in the past 24 hours, its attempts to deliver mail to ten Powys List Members have failed because the recipients (or their Internet Service Providers) are treating mailing list messages as Spam. I have written privately to each of the ten members of the Powys List affected by this problem, explaining why they are not receiving messages from the Powys List. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind *all* listers to make sure your Spam protection and/or Message Rules do not inadvertently block incoming e-mails from the Rootsweb mailing lists to which you are subscribed. If you suspect you are not receiving mailing messages in the normal way, visit Rootsweb.com's Helpdesk at http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ where Rootsweb posts notices about current problems with delivery of its messages. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/

    01/29/2006 02:49:11
    1. Pictures of: Moving Mountain of Godre'r Graig (GLA); and Felindre, Llanfihangel Cwmdu (BRE)
    2. John Ball
    3. Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, uploaded this morning onto my website, feature the following subjects: 1. The landslip in 1965 on the 'Moving Mountain' at Godre'r Graig in the county of Glamorgan (nine pictures). This feature was first shown on my website in February 1998. 2. The tiny village of Felindre, parish of Llanfihangel Cwmdu, in the county of Breconshire (eight pictures). This feature was first shown on my website in July 1998. As usual, these webpages will be on display until next Saturday. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at its new location www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists

    01/21/2006 01:51:59
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] HUGHES WATKINS
    2. susan hackett
    3. Hello again Shirley I've done some research today and found the marriage of John Lloyd Vaughan WATKINS to Eliza Luther HUGHES June 1852 District: Bath, Volume: 5c, Page No: 1252. Also on www.rootsweb.com - under "search family trees" you will find the family tree of John Lloyd Vaughan WATKINS. I have also found him on the 1861 census and will be happy to send you the image off list if you haven't already seen it. Susan

    01/19/2006 03:11:17
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] HUGHES WATKINS
    2. Jerri Linke
    3. Sounds like a plan to me...good hunting, my friend! JJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [WLS-BRE] HUGHES WATKINS >I haven't but I'm just beginning on this line (since it is a "step" > family). By the looks of this I might have my hands full? There are > certainly some names here that are "almost'" right so that means I will be > tormented by them until I make the connection or disprove it. I'll keep > you > posted on anything I find. > > Shirley > > > On 1/18/06, susan hackett <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Shirley >> >> My great grandfather was a magician, he wrote a book and had it published >> in >> 1886. In it he claimed his father was Lord Lieutenant of his county >> (Brecon) and MP. He was born John HOLDEN, but later in life called >> himself >> John Watkins HOLDEN. On different occasions he named his father as Lloyd >> Vaughan HOLDEN - Colonel in Army, and John Watkins HOLDEN - MP. On the >> IGI >> the christening of his brother George states the father as Lloyd Vaughan >> HOLDEN, but in fact his birth certificate states the father as John >> HOLDEN. >> On the 1851 census both boys (John and George) are with their mother Emma >> HOLDEN in Wales. On the 1861 census Emma HOLDEN is with her sister Eliza >> GENEREY formerley WATKINS. I have been unable to find Emma's marriage to >> date. I wonder if you have come across any HOLDEN's in your research? >> >> Susan >> >> >> > >

    01/18/2006 05:54:46
    1. RootsWeb off-line for 6 hours, tomorrow 19th Jan (cross posting)
    2. John Ball
    3. Dear Listers, I've just received advance notice that most of RootsWeb will be off-line tomorrow (19th January) for essential maintenance. This will affect the mailing lists hosted by Rootsweb. Rootsweb will be off-line tomorow for up to six hours commencing at the following times: USA and Canada: 2am EST, 1am CST, 11pm PST UK/GMT 7am NZ 8pm Aus 6pm AEDT, 5.30pm ACDT, 5pm AEST, 4.30pm ACST, 3pm AWST Messages sent to mailing lists during this time should be stored at your ISP or the message boards server until Rootsweb's mail servers to come back online. They should not 'bounce' for this short period of down time. For further details, see Rootsweb's HelpDesk at http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK Joint Administrator for BRE, MGY, POWYS, & RAD mailing lists E-mail: [email protected] John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/

    01/18/2006 05:51:36
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] HUGHES WATKINS
    2. susan hackett
    3. Hi Shirley My great grandfather was a magician, he wrote a book and had it published in 1886. In it he claimed his father was Lord Lieutenant of his county (Brecon) and MP. He was born John HOLDEN, but later in life called himself John Watkins HOLDEN. On different occasions he named his father as Lloyd Vaughan HOLDEN - Colonel in Army, and John Watkins HOLDEN - MP. On the IGI the christening of his brother George states the father as Lloyd Vaughan HOLDEN, but in fact his birth certificate states the father as John HOLDEN. On the 1851 census both boys (John and George) are with their mother Emma HOLDEN in Wales. On the 1861 census Emma HOLDEN is with her sister Eliza GENEREY formerley WATKINS. I have been unable to find Emma's marriage to date. I wonder if you have come across any HOLDEN's in your research? Susan

    01/18/2006 05:45:56
    1. Re: [WLS-BRE] HUGHES WATKINS
    2. Shirley Johnson
    3. I haven't but I'm just beginning on this line (since it is a "step" family). By the looks of this I might have my hands full? There are certainly some names here that are "almost'" right so that means I will be tormented by them until I make the connection or disprove it. I'll keep you posted on anything I find. Shirley On 1/18/06, susan hackett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Shirley > > My great grandfather was a magician, he wrote a book and had it published > in > 1886. In it he claimed his father was Lord Lieutenant of his county > (Brecon) and MP. He was born John HOLDEN, but later in life called > himself > John Watkins HOLDEN. On different occasions he named his father as Lloyd > Vaughan HOLDEN - Colonel in Army, and John Watkins HOLDEN - MP. On the > IGI > the christening of his brother George states the father as Lloyd Vaughan > HOLDEN, but in fact his birth certificate states the father as John > HOLDEN. > On the 1851 census both boys (John and George) are with their mother Emma > HOLDEN in Wales. On the 1861 census Emma HOLDEN is with her sister Eliza > GENEREY formerley WATKINS. I have been unable to find Emma's marriage to > date. I wonder if you have come across any HOLDEN's in your research? > > Susan > > >

    01/18/2006 03:00:44