This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/CGC.2ACI/463.1 Message Board Post: There were no birth records filed for any Wines with the parents of John & Lucinda Wines. There was a John W. Wines who died in 1899 in Langlade Co, WI. In 1870 Census they are in Fremont, Waupaca Co, WI with 6 children. In 1880 Census he is still in Fremont, Waupaca Co, WI with a new wife, Jane, and a stepdaughter, Mary Wylie, and his son Russell. Your Allen doesn't appear with him. The Fremont area is just north of the Winchester & Wolf River areas. These two townships in Winnebago boarder southern boudary of Waupaca County. Your answer could be in Waupaca Co, WI.