I don't know the answer to your question, unfortunately. I will however post your request to my message board and see if anyone has an answer. Ellen- www.linkstothepast.com *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/14/02 at 9:16 AM Floyd Billings wrote: >Hi Ellen, > >I saw your very kind offer on the Waukesha web site to answer questions. >My question is this: > >I have a copy of a photograph, apparently very old. At the bottom, the >photographer is identified as Land and the address is Waukesha, Wis. I >would like to know, if possible, when this photo studio was in operation >in the Waukesha area. My best guess would be sometime around 1870, more >or less. Having this information will help me identify the person in this >photo as well as several others apparently taken about the same time. > >I will greatly appreciate any information or suggestions that you can give >me regarding this. > >With best regards, > >Floyd Billings > >Email: floyd@k2tech.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/554.2 Message Board Post: Found a Truman Whitney listed in the 1855 state census for Waukesha County, Oconomowock Township. I only found the listing, no personal information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/554.1 Message Board Post: I found a John Whitney from Mass. listed on the 1850 census for Waukesha County, Oconomowock Township.Do you have this information. If not, let me know and I'll post it. Also found several John Whitneys in Mass. on the 1840 census.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/540.1 Message Board Post: I have a connection-by-marriage to one of the children of this couple, if anyone is interested.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whitney, Gibbs, Holmes Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/554 Message Board Post: If someone has access to the 1840 census, can they please check to see if there is a John Whitney on it, also a Truman Whitney on the 1840 and 1850 census. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Black, Wyman, Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/553 Message Board Post: Seeking information about a man known as "Kid" Black in Waukesha, WI. In a newspaper article in the Monroe Sentinel of 5 June 1889 reference was made to ""Kid" Black, the "doctor's" younger brother." "Kid" Black had recently married a woman referred to as "Mrs. Miller-Wyman-Black". She was the former wife of my ancestor, and was said to be "standing by her latest love in his trouble" as he was being tried in Waukesha Circuit Court. Any information about the identity of these people would be appreciated. gcosb@hotmail.com

Ellen, thank you for the guidance--I will follow up on that! Vinita

Ellen, I was not referring to you or this list even obliquely and neither was the person I was responding to, so please do not take offense. I am sure you are doing an excellent job for the Waukesha County list. There are some bad administrators out there, though, and it is difficult to deal with them. Some people cannot handle even this level of power over others. I had a recent negative experience with a list administrator who must have missed a calling as puppeteer--she demanded a tightly controlled list environment in the extreme, and would brook no discussion or suggestions whatsoever, no matter how politely stated.. It really spoiled my use and enjoyment of that list. Of course any list needs sensible guidelines. No one would want an unpleasant environment or a mailbox full of unsolicited commercial email. The person I was responding to was primarily offering a free service, however, so I was surprised that he was being given a hard time anywhere. I would be very reluctant to think of banning anyone unless there were some flagrant abuse or significant continuing difficulty. Let's move on. ---Pam "Ellen (Genealogy)" wrote: > It is the responsibility of the list owner to maintain a friendly and pleasant environment for all users of the list. > > When an individual posts to the list, it is the responsibility of that list admin to determine if the guidelines have been met. If not, the list admin has every right to take action. > > I don't think a list admin should be called neurotic for following the guidelines that are set out by rootsweb. > > If you saw even one eighth of the stuff that is attempted to be posted to the list you would realize that it sometimes difficult to distinguish between bad spam and good spam. You would also be very happy that we are there filtering the garbage for you. > > When a list admin sees that an individual is posting across several county lists, it raises a flag to say hey....what is this person up to? At that point a decision needs to be made to ban or not ban. > > As a poster, you should not decrease the enjoyment of others. > When in doubt, instead of just posting, take the time to inform the admin of what your intentions are. > 9 times out of 10, the admin will take the time to post the item for you or give you the go ahead to post. Probably even add your information to their website (if they have one; most do) > > There is something to be said for common courtesy as well. > > The lists are here for the exchange of information, however the information should not be posted in such a way as to take away from the enjoyment of others. > > Ellen- > Waukesha County List Administrator > > ==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== > The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, > Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or > concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Any ideas on how to get marriage records from the late 1850's in Waukesha County?*Vinita

Vinita, Early Waukesha county marriage records are difficult to find. There are no indexes available which makes a search very difficult. You may want to try contacting churches. Richard as you know was baptized in St. Joseph's. you may want to start there Richard's children were baptized at St. Alban's. You could also check there. Ellen- www.linkstothepast.com *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/11/02 at 4:48 PM ViniL@aol.com wrote: >Any ideas on how to get marriage records from the late 1850's in Waukesha >County?*Vinita > > >==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== >The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, >Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or >concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I am looking for info on any of these persons: According to the 1900 census record for Patrick Russell, believed to be the brother of Richard, he emmigrated to the United States in 1855 from Ireland and was naturalized. After he came to the United States about 1860, Patrick married Anne Nicholson who had emmigrated two years earlier than he had in 1853. This researcher believes that Richard also came to the United States in 1855 and was naturalized and married Alice Mahoney after arriving in the United States. The ages of these brothers is in question. There seems to be more than a ten year difference in the census records and their death certificates, making it hard to determine their date of birth. 1860 Census for Waukesha County Wisconsin, Waukesha Village, page 215, Household 36: Richard Russell 30 day laborer born in Ireland, Alice 23 born in Ireland, and Jeremiah 11/12 born in Wisconsin. (Most of the heads of household in their neighborhood were born in Ireland. Both of their closest neighbors were Gleasons: Edward Gleason 30 and his wife Bridget and Michael Gleason 25 and his wife.) on page 260, Household 467 is his brother Patrick 36 day laborer born in Ireland, Ann 19 born in Ireland, and Margaret 1/12 born in Wisconsin. 1870 Census for Wisconsin Waukesha County Waukesha: Dwelling # 280 Family # 275 Richard Russell age 36 male white Occupation: day labor, Value of real estate $1,000 and value of personal property $300. Place of birth Ireland. Father and mother foreign born. Male citizen. Can't read or write. Alice Russell age 33 female white Occupation: keeping house, Place of birth Ireland. Father and mother foreign born. Can't read or write. Jeremiah age 11 male white. Place of birth WI Richard age 9 male white. Place of birth WI Thomas age 7 male white. Place of birth WI Patrick age 6 male white. Place of birth WI John age 2 male white. Place of birth WI Note for all children that both parents were foreign born. (One or more Russell families in Waukesha had land with springs on it. The springs were later purchased by a brewing company that advertised "Made with Waukesha Waters". The springs were also a source for a water bottling company such as Hinkley & Schmidt.) Dwelling #344 Family # 337 Patrick Russell age 38 male white Occupation: RR employee, born in Ireland, Father and mother foreign born . Male citizen. Can't read or write Annie, age 30 female keeping house born in Ireland and both parents foreign born Thomas age 7 male white. Place of birth WI James age 5 male white. Place of birth WI Richard age 4 male white. Place of birth WI Anna age 2 female white. Place of birth WI John age 1 male white. Place of birth WI If we look at Irish naming patterns, we might deduce the following: Alice's father's name was Jeremiah, Richard's eldest brother is Patrick, and Alice's eldest brother was John. This researcher believes that Richard and Patrick were brothers and that their father's name was Thomas since each named a son Thomas. The parentage of Richard was established by Richard's death certificate which gave his father's name as Thomas Russell.

Thank you Ellen and to those who have aslo expressed support,,,and I do hate to keep posting to the site but as I get on the average 2 dozen request daily...my mailbox runneth over so I admit,,I have been posting on each county site for a particular state,,,and keep my subscription open for a week or so , This way I dont miss the request that are sent to this site instead of to me directly. I do enjoy reading the request of others,,and many have much information not directed to my neck of the woods. My work here at Andersonville is to try to connect descendants to their ancestors who were here. There were 45000 prisoners held here. 5 to 6 generations...well..you do the math. With the interest in genealogy ,,especially in the time period of the Civil War...I do this in memorance of the survivors,,,but especially for those 12960 who died here. Andersonville is the National Prisoner of War site and has been an active National Cemetery with burials from February 27 1864 up to yesterday. We still have an average of 150 burials each year. It began as a hobby for me,,but has snowballed into an obsession to keep alive those who gave some,,,and those who gave all to my freedoms with the cost of their freedoms in all American wars since the revolution,,through the Civil War,,,including Union and Confederate POWS...through the Gulf war. I do appreciate all the support I am getting, but its the connections that I can get with researchers like yourself with those who were / are here,,that is my best reward. NOTE: My lisiting on my Wisconsin Atwater Death List is not acting right. I am working on it. Kevin Local Andersonville Historian / National Park Service Volunteer http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvillepriuson/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Ellen (Genealogy) <waukesha@linkstothepast.com> To: WIWAUKES-L@rootsweb.com <WIWAUKES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WIWAUKES] Andersonville apology >Kevin, > >One difference between you some of the rest of the postings that are made, is that you took the time to apologize in advance for your posting and were very clear it was a one time posting. > >I appreciate that. > >Shari, my co-coordinator for Manitowoc County has linked to your Site and I will be adding it to my Milw and Waukesha sites. Hopefully you will be inindated with requests. > >Also, one difference between you and other posters, is you took the time to stay on the list after your posting. > >So many people subscribe, post, then unsubscribe. That gets very annoying. > >Thanks for caring and taking the time to share your information. > >Ellen- >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 8/11/02 at 1:04 PM Kevin Frye wrote: > >>You all have my sincere apology as it was not my intent to make my replys >>to comments to this site public. I know these sites are offered to help >>others and are owned by people who have the right to ..or not to post >>anything they wish. I also did not intend to fuel any fires. I will be >>unsubscribing to all of these sites,,,as in my initial posting,,,my intent >>was to make my offers once,,and only once so not to irritate those who >>have no interest. >> >>Have a great day >> Kevin >> http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html >> >> >>==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== >>The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, >>Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or >>concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >>go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > >==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== >The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, >Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or >concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would try to get a hold of marriage records if possible, that will give you a better clue to the true parentage. Often names are so close, we want to assume that it is our kinfolk, but when in actuality it is someone different. For example one of my ancestors was names John Radej. When I set out looking for John I found no less that 7 all born between 1840-1850. It took a couple years but I was eventually able to figure out which one was my ancestor. Come to find out, he moved to Montana and he was no where near the county where I thought he lived in Wisconsin. He was born in the county and died in the county I was researching, but .....he didn't live there for a portion of his life. The marriage record gave me the clues I needed to insure I was talking about the right John. This could explain your discrepency in birth years/ages. Ellen- www.linkstothepast.com *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/11/02 at 2:09 PM ViniL@aol.com wrote: >I am looking for info on any of these persons: According to the 1900 >census >record for Patrick Russell, believed to be the brother of Richard, he >emmigrated to the United States in 1855 from Ireland and was naturalized. >After he came to the United States about 1860, Patrick married Anne >Nicholson >who had emmigrated two years earlier than he had in 1853. This researcher >believes that Richard also came to the United States in 1855 and was >naturalized and married Alice Mahoney after arriving in the United States. >The ages of these brothers is in question. There seems to be more than a >ten >year difference in the census records and their death certificates, making >it >hard to determine their date of birth. > >1860 Census for Waukesha County Wisconsin, Waukesha Village, page 215, >Household 36: >Richard Russell 30 day laborer born in Ireland, Alice 23 born in Ireland, >and >Jeremiah 11/12 born in Wisconsin. (Most of the heads of household in their >neighborhood were born in Ireland. Both of their closest neighbors were >Gleasons: Edward Gleason 30 and his wife Bridget and Michael Gleason 25 >and >his wife.) >on page 260, Household 467 is his brother Patrick 36 day laborer born in >Ireland, Ann 19 born in Ireland, and Margaret 1/12 born in Wisconsin. > >1870 Census for Wisconsin Waukesha County Waukesha: >Dwelling # 280 Family # 275 >Richard Russell age 36 male white Occupation: day labor, Value of real >estate >$1,000 and value of personal property $300. Place of birth Ireland. Father >and mother foreign born. Male citizen. Can't read or write. >Alice Russell age 33 female white Occupation: keeping house, Place of >birth >Ireland. Father and mother foreign born. Can't read or write. >Jeremiah age 11 male white. Place of birth WI >Richard age 9 male white. Place of birth WI >Thomas age 7 male white. Place of birth WI >Patrick age 6 male white. Place of birth WI >John age 2 male white. Place of birth WI >Note for all children that both parents were foreign born. >(One or more Russell families in Waukesha had land with springs on it. The >springs were later purchased by a brewing company that advertised "Made >with >Waukesha Waters". The springs were also a source for a water bottling >company such as Hinkley & Schmidt.) > >Dwelling #344 Family # 337 >Patrick Russell age 38 male white Occupation: RR employee, born in >Ireland, >Father and mother foreign born . Male citizen. Can't read or write >Annie, age 30 female keeping house born in Ireland and both parents >foreign >born >Thomas age 7 male white. Place of birth WI >James age 5 male white. Place of birth WI >Richard age 4 male white. Place of birth WI >Anna age 2 female white. Place of birth WI >John age 1 male white. Place of birth WI > >If we look at Irish naming patterns, we might deduce the following: >Alice's father's name was Jeremiah, Richard's eldest brother is Patrick, >and >Alice's eldest brother was John. This researcher believes that Richard and >Patrick were brothers and that their father's name was Thomas since each >named a son Thomas. The parentage of Richard was established by Richard's >death certificate which gave his father's name as Thomas Russell. > > >==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== >The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, >Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or >concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

You all have my sincere apology as it was not my intent to make my replys to comments to this site public. I know these sites are offered to help others and are owned by people who have the right to ..or not to post anything they wish. I also did not intend to fuel any fires. I will be unsubscribing to all of these sites,,,as in my initial posting,,,my intent was to make my offers once,,and only once so not to irritate those who have no interest. Have a great day Kevin http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/442.2.1 Message Board Post: Thank you Joanne. Yes, this is the family I am looking for.

Thanks for the kind words Pam. Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Pam <berger@netstream.net> To: WIWAUKES-L@rootsweb.com <WIWAUKES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [WIWAUKES] Andersonville Civil War POW site >Kevin-Don't worry about it. There are some neurotic list owners out there who want >to control everything. I recently ran into one elsewhere myself. Best wishes and >thanks for letting us know of your offer. --Pam Berger > >Kevin Frye wrote: > >> Thanks for the kind words Frank but even with my oppology listed,,,I still >> get slammed for offering my SPAM.....Just got slammed by a webowner of >> another Wisconsin county site for making my FREE 1 time offer...without >> asking permission to may my offer... and that she instantly unsubscribed >> me,,,,,LOL Go figgure....I thought these sites were for people helping >> people....If not...I wonder what those people do in Grant... >> >> Have a great evening. >> >> Kevin >> >> - > > >==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== >The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, >Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or >concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TFC.2ACE/442.2 Message Board Post: VAN BOVEN FRANCIS Age 31 Male Farmer Port of Embarkment: Antwerp Port of Arrival: New York Vessel: Corinne Destination: USA (no specific place stated) Date of Arrival: 10-12-1862 Micro film number M-237 (New York) Reel 223 VAN BOVEN THERESA Age 34 Housewife VAN BOVEN ROSALIE Age 5 VAN BOVEN MARIA Age 2 VAN BOVEN NATHALIA Age 1 Source CD-269 Dutch in America 1820-1880 Regards, joanne

Kevin, One difference between you some of the rest of the postings that are made, is that you took the time to apologize in advance for your posting and were very clear it was a one time posting. I appreciate that. Shari, my co-coordinator for Manitowoc County has linked to your Site and I will be adding it to my Milw and Waukesha sites. Hopefully you will be inindated with requests. Also, one difference between you and other posters, is you took the time to stay on the list after your posting. So many people subscribe, post, then unsubscribe. That gets very annoying. Thanks for caring and taking the time to share your information. Ellen- *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/11/02 at 1:04 PM Kevin Frye wrote: >You all have my sincere apology as it was not my intent to make my replys >to comments to this site public. I know these sites are offered to help >others and are owned by people who have the right to ..or not to post >anything they wish. I also did not intend to fuel any fires. I will be >unsubscribing to all of these sites,,,as in my initial posting,,,my intent >was to make my offers once,,and only once so not to irritate those who >have no interest. > >Have a great day > Kevin > http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/Andersonvilleprison/index.html > > >==== WIWAUKES Mailing List ==== >The Waukesha County Mailing List is maintained by Ellen Rohr, >Waukesha County, WIGenWeb Coordinator. If you have a problems or >concerns, please contact me at waukesha@linkstothepast.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Forwarded by request *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 8/8/02 at 2:04 PM Peggy Gleich <pgleich@ticon.net> wrote: The Walworth County (WI) Genealogical Society is holding a Family History Month Genealogical Fair on Saturday, 19 October 2002, at St. John's Lutheran Church, 104 South Broad St., Elkhorn. (Two blocks south of the Court House square.) The fun begins at 10:00 a.m and runs until 3:00 p.m. and is FREE! There will be "mini-talks" and demonstrations off and on all day long. Door prizes will be given away all day long also and you must be present to win. You are welcome to stay all day and learn as much as you can!! A variety of genealogical and other vendors will be available with books, CD's, clothing, novelties, and miscellaneous supplies. Many County and State societies as well as nationalities will be represented. DAR, SAR, Colonial Dames, Family History Centers, and other groups helpful to genealogists will be represented also. This is a free day for beginners and advanced children and adults, however, donations are appreciated. Beverages and cookies are available also. If you have questions, please contact President Peggy Rockwell Gleich at pgleich@ticon.net or at WCGS, PO Box 159, Delavan WI 53115-0159. P.S. Remember, it is FREE! Invite your friends. Let us know if you have a society or group who would like to participate. *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

It is the responsibility of the list owner to maintain a friendly and pleasant environment for all users of the list. When an individual posts to the list, it is the responsibility of that list admin to determine if the guidelines have been met. If not, the list admin has every right to take action. I don't think a list admin should be called neurotic for following the guidelines that are set out by rootsweb. If you saw even one eighth of the stuff that is attempted to be posted to the list you would realize that it sometimes difficult to distinguish between bad spam and good spam. You would also be very happy that we are there filtering the garbage for you. When a list admin sees that an individual is posting across several county lists, it raises a flag to say hey....what is this person up to? At that point a decision needs to be made to ban or not ban. As a poster, you should not decrease the enjoyment of others. When in doubt, instead of just posting, take the time to inform the admin of what your intentions are. 9 times out of 10, the admin will take the time to post the item for you or give you the go ahead to post. Probably even add your information to their website (if they have one; most do) There is something to be said for common courtesy as well. The lists are here for the exchange of information, however the information should not be posted in such a way as to take away from the enjoyment of others. Ellen- Waukesha County List Administrator