This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mjancestor2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.wisconsin.counties.walworth/2440.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If you get the dates from Family Search - they aren't always correct. They get a lot of data from combing posted info, which is only as reliable as who put it on. Some transcriptions are much better, but again, a "1873" may simply be a typo and should be "1863". Still, it can give lots of clues to follow up on, including the actual documents if they are available. Microfilm of originals are better than transcriptions, if available, since you can decipher for yourself if needed. A church may no longer exist, but it's records probably went ot a "sister" church locally, or may reside in a denomination's national historical records. A "German Methodsist" may have it's records in a local "Methodist" church, so you might want to start with the ones closest to where the actual church was, and find a Methodist church nearby. Sometimes the individual church website might mention that it was a branch of, or moved from, or was originally..... County historical societies often have that info too. Check around Burlington, WI (Racine Co) as Lyons is so close to there. *************** Carl/Karl and Charles were often interchanged if born in Germany.... so this may fit??? (My ggf was a Karl that was called Carl Karl & Charles...) 1900 United States Federal Census about Louisa Harms Name: Louisa Harms Home in 1900: Lyons, Walworth, Wisconsin Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Birthplace: Germany Relationship to head-of-house: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Race: White Occupation: View Image Immigration Year: 1873 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Harms 53 b. Oct 1844, imm 1855, naturalized, day laborer Louisa Harms 53 b. Apr 1847, married 27 years (fits approx. 1873 marriage), birth to 6:6 living Henry Harms 22 b. Oct 1877 Ester Harms 15 b. Mar 1885 (may be pronounced as Esther) Edth Harms 13 b. Dec 1886 (Edith??) *************** A possibility to look into??? Since Schulz is sometimes spelled Schultz,, again, a possibility. 1860 United States Federal Census about Louisa Schultz Name: Louisa Schultz Age in 1860: 13 Birth Year: abt 1847 Birthplace: Preußen Home in 1860: Kenosha Ward 1, Kenosha, Wisconsin Gender: Female Post Office: Kenosha Value of real estate: View Image Household Members: Name Age Henry Schultz 53 Elisabeth Schultz 36 Louisa Schultz 13 August Schultz 12 Josephine Schultz 4 Mary Schultz 2 John H Schultz 1.12 LDS says her father's first initial was J, though. Kenosha isn't that far from Lyons, and amilies may have moved. 1870 United States Federal Census about Louisa Schultz Name: Louisa Schultz Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Age in 1870: 21 Birthplace: Wisconsin Home in 1870: Kenosha Ward 1, Kenosha, Wisconsin Family and neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Female Value of real estate: View Image Post Office: Kenosha Domestic for George Yale family. *************** This is a bit too old, but could be errors, or not same women 1910 United States Federal Census about Louisa Harms Name: Louisa Harms Age in 1910: 77 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Birthplace: Germany Relation to Head of House: Mother Father's Birth Place: Germany Mother's Birth Place: Germany Home in 1910: Wheatland, Kenosha, Wisconsin Marital Status: Widowed Race: White Gender: Female Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Harms 44 head, single, farmer, owns farm Ida Fay 47 househeeper, single Louisa Harms 77 mother, widowed, birth to 6:3 living You might try a Walworth County Platt book to find where the farm was located. They often have both owners & renters of farms. *************** 1880 United States Federal Census about Charles Harms Name: Charles Harms Home in 1880: Randall, Kenosha, Wisconsin Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Birthplace: Wisconsin Relation to Head of Household: Son Father's Name: John Father's birthplace: Mecklenburg Mother's Name: Louise Mother's birthplace: Mecklenburg Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: At School Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age John Harms 49 Louise Harms 38 John Jr. Harms 17 b. IL Charles Harms 14 b. WI William Harms 8 b. WI George Harms 1 b. WI Possibility of using middle names? Or different families??? ************************ THis looks like your family, but the above info can help rule out a similar family! 1880 United States Federal Census about Charles Harme Name: Charles Harme Home in 1880: Wheatland, Kenosha, Wisconsin Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Birthplace: Prussia Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's Name: Lowenia Father's birthplace: Prussia Mother's birthplace: Prussia Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Farmer Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Charles Harme 36 Lowenia Harme 34 Augustia Harme 10 Fredia Harme 7 Lana Harme 6 Henrey Harme 3 Sopha Porip 78 ***************** http://www.rootsweb.com/~wikenosh/highcem.htm Methodist (High Street) Cemetery QUOTE Hiram C. SHELDON gave to the Town of Wheatland one half acre of land on the north west corner of section 29 in 1846. This land to be used for a cemetery. This cemetery was also known as High Street Cemetery. Mr. Oscar Ueble, Highway "P", Wheatland, has the records for this cemetery (in 1977). A church, at one time, stood on the land adjoining this cemetery. In February 1860, William KOHL and his wife donated an additional acre of land: North 1/2 of south 1/2 of northeast 1/4. UNQUOTE PAGEL Fredricka - wife of Christian - 10 Nov. 1880 - 72 years 5 mo. PORIF Christian - 10 Aug 1873 - 77 years 26 days Sophia - Frau von Christian - 26 Mar 1885 - 83 yrs - 25 days Ref names in 1880 census???? The Sophia listed in the Harms household??? Methodist Cemetery (High Street Cemetery) 376th Avenue 42.60687 -88.26689 1860 On 376th Ave, South of 31st Street/Karcher Road/County JB, on the west side of the road. *************** http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiburlgs/highstreet.htm * Obelisk: ss--Christian/ PORIP/ gest 10 Aug./ 1878/ Alter 77 Jahre/ & 25 Tage bc. 1800 (8) ns--Sophia/ Frau von/ Christian PORIP/ gest 26 Marz/ 1885/ Alter 83 Jahre/ & 26 Tage bc. 1801 ********* * (Broken) Fredericka/ wife of/ Christian PAGEL/ d./ ?? 10, 1880/ age/ .... & 5 mons. * (pillow type): Mother/ Dora PAGEL SCHEIBE/ Oct. 3, 1849/ Oct. 30, 1890 ******************* WI Historical Societies http://home.wi.rr.com/genealogywis/histsocs.htm ***** Harm, Helena "Lena" (w/ Albert E. Brainard) (b. 1864; b. 9/10/1862 - S) (Bertha) (F 5/10/05 - sister died; S 2/8/29 - probate notice,Brainerd) 01-04-1929 64 (66 - S) S 01-11-29 S 01-17-30 F 01-10-29 (2) Bur Cem. 69 Bur Cem. 1999-G SO, try checking the Burlington Cemetery records. WHich sister died 5-10-05?? **** http://www.burlingtonhistory.org/people/search.asp seeabout getting the copies for these items.... Harms, Charles (born in Mecklenburg) (1870 census, Wheatland, p. 14, dwl. 96, age 28, at Pagel home) Harms, Fredericka (w/ Christian Pagel, Sr.) (c/b 1870 census, Wheatland, p. 14, dwl. 96, age 58, Recal) Harms, Sophia (w/ Christian Porip) (Poreb) (1870 census, Wheatland, p. 21, dwl. 152, age 69, Porep) ****** Harm, Augusta L. (nee Harm) (Charles G.) (Harms) date of death 09-18-1907 age 38 Ref: F 09-25-07 ********** Harm, ? (nee ? ) ( ? ) (of Springfield) (m/ Mrs. Charles Bucholz) 10-27-1906 ? F 10-31-06 Harm, Helen (w/ Charles D. Bucholtz) (b. 7/12/1876) date of death: 03-30-1948 age: 72 Ref: S, F 04-01-48 ******* Harms, Charles G. (children survive) (of Springfield) (Civil War vet.) (f/ Mrs. Charles Bucholz) (Harm) (stone flat on base; no dates) 09-07-1907 62 F 09-18-07 Lyons 69 - SprUn Cem. 6-23 ******* Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.