Rebecca, I'm going to give you my thoughts on your g-grandmother, Esther. There was a common "practice" of familys, where if a brother in a family died young, with wife and children, one of the single brothers would marry the widow. She and the children would be care for, also the family name would continue on. Example, when my husband's grandfather died in an accident, one of the grandfather's brothers, proposed to his widowed grandmother, this was about 1943 or so. She refused, never remarried, and found ways of supporting herself, since her children were mostly grown at that time. I have this happenning in my family but earlier in the 1800's. Just a thought to add to things. Cindy , in Denver, CO. >From: wiwalwor-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: wiwalwor@rootsweb.com >To: wiwalwor@rootsweb.com >Subject: WIWALWOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 15 >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:01:43 -0700 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Hoyt family of Walworth County (Bruce Stewart) > 2. Re: Hoyt family of Walworth County (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > 3. Re: Esther Clinton b. 1860s (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > 4. Message board (Bruce Stewart) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:15:45 -0700 >From: Bruce Stewart <thebruce@sprintmail.com> >Subject: Re: [WIWALWOR] Hoyt family of Walworth County >To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, wiwalwor@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <F1F33DEC-FCC2-4F4C-BF13-3F308A573A5C@sprintmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >Will the person that posted this to the Message Board please contact >me? Either on this list or privately? > >Bruce from Arizona >thebruce@sprintmail.com > >On Feb 8, 2007, at 6:15 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Surnames: > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > > localities.northam.usa.states.wisconsin.counties.walworth/2392.1/ > > mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > 1870 United States Federal Census > > about Carrie C Hoyt > > Name: Carrie C Hoyt > > Estimated birth year: abt 1865 > > Age in 1870: 5 > > Birthplace: Wisconsin > > Home in 1870: Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > Family and neighbors: View Results > > Race: White > > Gender: Female > > Value of real estate: View image > > Post Office: Troy > > > > Household: > > Hoyt, Benjamin, 40, b. VT > > Elvira, 33, b. NY > > Ellen l., 15 > > B. Arthur, 13 > > Sarah E., 10 > > Carrie C., 5 > > Allie M., 3 > > Florence, 3/12 > > all children b. WI > > > > ************** > > 1880 United States Federal Census > > about Carrie Hoyt > > Name: Carrie Hoyt > > Home in 1880: Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > Age: 15 > > Estimated birth year: abt 1865 > > Birthplace: Wisconsin > > Relation to head-of-household: Something other than a direct > > relationship (Other) > > Father's birthplace: VT > > Mother's birthplace: NY > > Occupation: Servent > > Marital Status: Single > > Race: White > > Gender: Female > > > > Household Members: Name Age > > Horis Baker 32 > > Clara Baker 30 > > Alva Baker 2 > > Carrie Hoyt 15 > > > > 1880 United States Federal Census > > about Alvira Hoyt > > Name: Alvira Hoyt > > Home in 1880: Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > Age: 45 > > Estimated birth year: abt 1835 > > Birthplace: New York > > Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head) > > Father's birthplace: NY > > Mother's birthplace: NY > > Neighbors: View others on page > > Occupation: Weaving > > Marital Status: Widowed > > Race: White > > Gender: Female > > Household Members: Name Age > > Alvira Hoyt 45 > > Altha Hoyt 13 > > Florance Hoyt 10 > > > > 1880 United States Federal Census > > about Arther Hoyt > > Name: Arther Hoyt > > Home in 1880: Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > Age: 23 > > Estimated birth year: abt 1857 > > Birthplace: Wisconsin > > Relation to head-of-household: Something other than a direct > > relationship (Other) > > Father's birthplace: NY > > Mother's birthplace: NY > > Neighbors: View others on page > > Occupation: Farm Labr. > > Marital Status: Single > > Race: White > > Gender: Male > > > > Household Members: Name Age > > Ann Hopkins 67 > > Arther Hoyt 23 > > > > Would seem that Benjamin died and children are living and working > > away from home > > **************** > > > > THis family may be related?? > > 1880 United States Federal Census > > about A. A. Hoyt > > Name: A. A. Hoyt > > Home in 1880: Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > Age: 56 > > Estimated birth year: abt 1824 > > Birthplace: Vermont > > Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head) > > Spouse's name: Carloline > > Father's birthplace: NH > > Mother's birthplace: NH > > Neighbors: View others on page > > Occupation: Farmer > > Marital Status: Married > > Race: White > > Gender: Male > > > > Household Members: Name Age > > A. A. Hoyt 56 > > Carloline Hoyt 50 > > Hoyt 21 > > Mary Hoyt 16 > > Bengn. Hoyt 13 > > Olive Hoyt 10 > > Tristum Hoyt 41 > > Julia Hoyt 39 > > Amelia Peterson 22 > > > > from 1850 census, looks like this is Benjamin's brother. > > ************* > > > > 1860 United States Federal Census > > about Benjamin Hoyt > > Name: Benjamin Hoyt > > Age in 1860: 32 > > Birth Year: abt 1828 > > Birthplace: Vermont > > Home in 1860: Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > Gender: Male > > Post Office: Honey Creek > > Value of real estate: View image > > Household Members: Name Age > > Benjamin Hoyt 32 > > Sarah Hoyt 36 > > Ellen A Hoyt 6 > > Arthur M Hoyt 4 > > Estella Hoyt 5.12 > > > > Given the gap in ages, possible that Elvira is second wife & mother > > to Carrie and followeing children. > > > > ************** > > > > 1850 United States Federal Census > > about Benjamin Hoyt > > Name: Benjamin Hoyt > > Age: 21 > > Estimated birth year: abt 1829 > > Birth Place: Vermont > > Gender: Male > > Home in 1850 > > (City,County,State): Spring Prairie, Walworth, Wisconsin > > > > also in household is Benjamin, 70 & Susan 66. > > looks like living with family > > *************** > > > > Wisconsin Marriages, pre-1907 > > about Benjamin Hoyt, Jr > > Name: Benjamin Hoyt, Jr > > Marriage Date: 09 Jun 1862 > > County: Racine > > Volume: 01 > > Page: 0314 > > > > Wisconsin Marriages, pre-1907 > > about Alvira Kelley > > Name: Alvira Kelley > > Marriage Date: 09 Jun 1862 > > County: Racine > > Volume: 01 > > Page: 0314 > > > > ********************* > > Possibly??? > > Could be that Alvira & Catherine are sisters? > > > > 1860 United States Federal Census > > about Alvira Kelley > > Name: Alvira Kelley > > Age in 1860: 26 > > Birth Year: abt 1834 > > Birthplace: New York > > Home in 1860: Albany, Green, Wisconsin > > Race: White > > Gender: Female > > Post Office: Albany > > Value of real estate: View image > > Household Members: Name Age > > Hyram Bowen 33 > > Catherine Bowen 28 > > Albert Bowen 5 > > Ida Bowen 1.12 > > Alvira Kelley 26 > > > > ************** > > Wisconsin Census, 1820-90 > > about Alvira Kelley > > Name: Alvira Kelley > > State: WI > > County: Walworth County > > Township: Spring Prairie > > Year: 1855 > > Database: WI 1855 State Census Index > > > > ********** > > http://walworthcgs.com/springprairie.html > > has some info mentioning Benjamin Hoyt, probably grandfather of > > Carrie. > > > > ********** > > http://www.geocities.com/scarletgen/walworth/history/ > > springprairietidbits.txt > > > >> From History of Walworth County Wisconsin, Vol. 1, by Albert > >> Clayton Beckwith, > > publ. 1912 - Page 406 - 417 > > > > Benjamin HOYT (1778-1860) was son of Joseph HOYT and Abigail, > > daughter of Samuel and Mary FLANDERS. Older father ancestors were > > 1, John; 2, Thomas; 3, enjamin; 4, Enoch. In 1807 he married Susan > > HAYES, who died in 1862, leaving even children. Of these, not > > before named here, Simon Batchelder HOYT (1811-861) married > > Elizabeth D. CADY, at Honey Creek. Benjamin HOYT, Jr. (born 1829), > > married, first, Sarah ROBINSON; second, Alvira KELLEY. The elder > > HOYT was born in Deerfield, New Hampshire; his children were born > > at Cabot, Vermont. From their third American ancestors, Benjamin > > HOYT and Hannah PILLSBURG, were also descended the HOYTS of Allen > > Grove. > > > > ********************* > > Wisconsin Deaths, 1820-1907 > > about Alvira Hoyt > > Name: Alvira Hoyt > > Death Date: 01 Feb 1883 > > County: Barron > > Volume: 01 > > Page #: 0029 > > Reel: 003 > > Image: 0441 > > Index Volume: - > > ImageNum: 102312 > > Sequence #: 167932 > > Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index. > > > > > > *************** > > Wisconsin Deaths, 1820-1907 > > about Florence A Hoyt > > Name: Florence A Hoyt > > Death Date: 07 Mar 1899 > > County: Walworth > > Volume: 02 > > Page #: 0431 > > Reel: 131 > > Image: 0630 > > Index Volume: - > > ImageNum: 102312 > > Sequence #: 167955 > > Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index. > > > > ****************** > > > > Good Luck! > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WIWALWOR- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:42:08 -0000 >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [WIWALWOR] Hoyt family of Walworth County >To: <WIWALWOR-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <1171046530.596384@rootsweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.wisconsin.counties.walworth/2392.1.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >Thank you so much, you have given me invaluable information. I have tried >for months to find out Elvira's maiden name...Hopefully I can get back to >her origins...Ireland, England, etc. Can you help me on the George Clinton >family of same county...and earlier of Crawford County or should I post a >new message? I know quite alot of information except that Esther E. >Clinton, daughter of Esther and George Clinton is listed in later years as >Mrs. Esther E. Clinton, mother of Muriel Kirk Clinton and Kathryn >Clinton...(Muriel was my grandmother)...was she married to another >Clinton??? or an unmarried mother. It seems strange to me that George >Clinton a very strict Presbyterian would condone one illigitamacy much less >two?...Muriel was born in Chicago but returned to the Honey Creek, Spring >Prairie area in her girlhood and stayed with her Aunts Catherine and >Anne...her mother fades in and out of the picture but a father is never >mentioned. Any help you or anyone can give me would be ! > greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Rebecca Thomas Dexter at >tddoor@hotmail.com > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:41:17 -0000 >From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [WIWALWOR] Esther Clinton b. 1860s >To: <WIWALWOR-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <1171057278.613050@rootsweb.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: >Classification: queries > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.wisconsin.counties.walworth/2392.1.1.1/mb.ashx > >Message Board Post: > >1870 United States Federal Census >about Esther Clinton >Name: Esther Clinton >Estimated birth year: abt 1869 >Age in 1870: 1 >Birthplace: Wisconsin >Home in 1870: Prairie Du Chien, Crawford, Wisconsin >Race: White >Gender: Female >Post Office: Prairie du Chien > >Household: >George E. Clinton, 40, RR Clerk >Esther Clinton, 45 >John Malcolmson, 26, teacher >Robert Malcolmson, 24 RR Clerk >George Malcolmson,22 bookkeeper >James Malcolmson,18 >Janet Malcolmson,16 >M. P. (female)Malcolmson, 16 >W. N. Clinton, 10 >Anna Clinton, >Catherine Clinton, >Edward Clinton, 4 >Esther Clinton, 1, b. WI > >All but Esther b. in New Brunswick >Initial guess is that Mother Esther was married to Mr. Malcolmson and had >the Malcolmson children with him. SHe would have married George Clinton >between 1854-1860, probably New Brunswick. > >************** > >1880 United States Federal Census >about Geo. E. Clinton >Name: Geo. E. Clinton >Home in 1880: Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin >Age: 45 >Estimated birth year: abt 1835 >Birthplace: N B >Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head) >Spouse's name: Hester >Father's birthplace: N. B. >Mother's birthplace: N. B. >Occupation: R. R. Clerk >Marital Status: Married >Race: White >Gender: Male >706 Astor St. > >Household Members: Name Age >Geo. E. Clinton 45 >Hester Clinton 56 >Anne M. Clinton 18 >Kate J. Clinton 16 >Edwd. J. Clinton 15 >Hester E. Clinton 12 >Robt. A. Malcolmson 33 listed as son of Hester Clinton >Jas. M. Malcolmson 29 >Jannet A. Malcolmson 27 >Mary P. Malcolmson 25 > >All listed as born in New Brunswick >************ > >1900 United States Federal Census >about Ester Clinton >Name: Ester Clinton >Home in 1900: Chicago Ward 25, Cook, Illinois >Age: 28 >Estimated birth year: abt 1872 >Birthplace: Wisconsin >Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter >Father's name: George E >Mother's name: Esta >Race: White >Occupation: View image >Neighbors: View others on page >Household Members: Name Age >George E Clinton 67 b. Sept 1832 >Esta Clinton 78 b. J__, 1822, birth to 14, 5 living >Annie Kirk 38 b. Mar 1862 (can't tell if M for married or W for widowed, >birth to 2:0 living >Cathrine Clinton 36 b. Aug 1863 >Ester Clinton 28 listed as widow, b. Dec 1870, birth to 2:2 living, b. WI, >stenographer >Marriel Clinton 7 b. May 1893, b. IL, father b. MN, mother b. WI >Kathayn Clinton 5 b. July 1894, b. IL, father b. MN, mother b. WI > >States immigration year as 1870, doesn't seem to fit with 1870 census, but >could be close. > >NOTE: I find the birthdates are often off in the 1900 census, particularily >year. > >BUT - does give father as b. in MN..... >*********** > > 1910 United States Federal Census >about Amie M Kirk >Name: Amie M Kirk >[Annie M Kirk] >Age in 1910: 48 >Estimated birth year: abt 1862 >Birthplace: Canada English >Relation to Head of House: Head >Father's Birth Place: Canada English >Mother's Birth Place: Canada English >Home in 1910: Vernon, Waukesha, Wisconsin >Marital Status: Widowed >Race: White >Gender: Female >Year of Immigration: 1868 >Neighbors: View others on page >Household Members: Name Age >Amie M Kirk 48 >Cathine J Clinton 46 > >Immigrated 1868 >listed as "own income" >************ > >1910 United States Federal Census >about Jesse Malcolmson >Name: Jesse Malcolmson >[Jesse Malcolmsen] >Age in 1910: 46 >Estimated birth year: abt 1864 >Birthplace: Wisconsin >Relation to Head of House: Head >Father's Birth Place: Wisconsin >Mother's name: Selinda >Mother's Birth Place: New York >Spouse's name: Carry >Home in 1910: Troy, Walworth, Wisconsin >Marital Status: Married >Race: White >Gender: Male >Neighbors: View others on page >Household Members: Name Age >Jesse Malcolmson 46 school teacher, public school >Carry Malcolmson 43 >Della Malcolmson 22 >Florence Malcolmson 21 >Blanche Malcolmson 14 >Edna Malcolmson 11 >Esther Malcolmson 9 >Leola Malcolmson 4 >Selinda Malcolmson 77 mother widowed (could this be Esther, wife of >George, or a different woman?) >Patrick Flynn 53 hired man > >NOTE: Selinda.... could be 2nd wife of George, listed by sons/step son's >name, could be mother-in-law, listed incorrectly, could be??? > >*********** > >I don't see a WI or IL marriage for anyone that fits Esther Clinton, but >not all counties are listed. > >My guess is that she might be a widow or gotten divorced. If he was pretty >crummy, she might use her maiden name and call the daughters that name. >Since a father is never mentioned, a divorce might be likely. Try tracing >the family to see when they moved, that will give you locations to look for >info. > >Try finding a birth certificate (not required until after 1928-9 or so) for >either daughter. A daughter's marriage certificate may name a father. > >If Muriel (or Katherine) knew who their father was, it may be on their >birth certificates, or marriage certificate. > >Check with descendants of Esthers siblings - sisters especially knew/know >the family "gossip" and they may have told their children, whose >descendants may be able to tell you about it. Especially since it seems >that Esther had 1/2 siblings that were quite a bit older. > >************** > > >Wisconsin Marriages, pre-1907 >about Anna M Clinton >Name: Anna M Clinton >Marriage Date: 04 Nov 1886 >County: Milwaukee >Volume: 18 >Page: 0282 > >Wisconsin Marriages, pre-1907 >about Thadls Kirk >Name: Thadls Kirk >Marriage Date: 04 Nov 1886 >County: Milwaukee >Volume: 18 >Page: 0282 > >This puts them in Milwaukee Co. in 1886. >Would look for a marriage for Esther 1890-92 timeframe. BUT, since >daughter was b. in IL, could have met & married after moving to IL. Look >for a marriage/divorce in Counties daughters were born in. > >Info on this marriage might give clues - is Esther mentioned in wedding >announcement, etc. >************************* > > Possible??? >Milwaukee, Wisconsin Directory, 1889-90 >about George E. Clinton >Name: George E. Clinton >Location 2: r. 234 Ogden avenue >Occupation: clerk >Year: 1889 >City: Milwaukee >State: WI > >******************** > >Wisconsin Deaths, 1820-1907 >about Janet Malcolmson >Name: Janet Malcolmson >Death Date: 09 Jul 1882 >County: Milwaukee >Volume: 04 >Page #: 0165 >Reel: 061 >Image: 1252 >Index Volume: 02 >ImageNum: 103294 >Sequence #: 239316 >Level Info: Wisconsin Vital Records Death Index. > > >Good Luck! > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:47:46 -0700 >From: Bruce Stewart <thebruce@sprintmail.com> >Subject: [WIWALWOR] Message board >To: wiwalwor@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BD11D241-5FFF-436F-B312-2DE5A1EEC7DE@sprintmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >I subscribe to this list. I keep getting "Message Board Post" on this >list. When I go to the site given I cannot contact the person who has >posted a particular message. I sent a query on this matter to "gc- >gateway@rootsweb.com" and received a reply "----- The following >addresse had permanent fatal errors -----". > >How can I contact the person who posted? > > >Peace >Bruce Stewart >thebruce@sprintmail.com > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the WIWALWOR list administrator, send an email to >WIWALWOR-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the WIWALWOR mailing list, send an email to >WIWALWOR@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WIWALWOR-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of WIWALWOR Digest, Vol 2, Issue 15 >*************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2