Sorry Kristi, but I for one have to take issue with your tone. Please remember that this is a site run totally by volunteers, who have lives of their own. There's nothing wrong with asking Debie the "method to her madness" so to speak, but to then declare that the site is useless because it doesn't conform to the way you think it should is going way overboard and is long past rude and arrogant. Debie has done a great job with this site (which is free remember) and is doing a great service for genealogists. As others have said, this particular site is one of the most useful free sites on the Internet. I wish other sites would do even half as much as has been done here (very few come close to even going that far). I especially like that parental information has been and is being added to the vital indexes, which is going above and beyond what others have done. In case you weren't aware of it, the state birth indexes for the counties that start with "S" are really messed up and Sheboygan's information is listed under another county. Deb's site is really useful in helping to sort that out. You want actual census records? Then go to the National Archives, or rent the rolls from the Archives through your library or the Mormon Church, or pay Ancestry.com $59.95/yr or Familytreemaker.com $99/yr for a census subscription. You don't think much about the amount of marriage information? Be patient or volunteer to help. Or you can rent the state marriage indexes through the Mormon church and find who you are looking for and then rent that microfilm. Or you can write to the Sheboygan County Registar's office and ask for who you need and pay $14 per marriage record (assuming you don't know the roll and page # beforehand). If you don't like the site the way it is, then be patient, or volunteer to help, or go do your own site the way you want it (and see how hard it is), or just don't use it and see if you can find anything else half as useful and at no cost. At the very least, please provide _constructive_ criticism, not snotty complaints. Deb, you probably don't get all the thanks you deserve for doing this. I've thanked you before privately, but I want to thank you again publicly. Don't let the non-constructive criticisms get to you. Perhaps this incident is a good thing, in that hopefully listers will respond with how much you are appreciated. -- Dana in MD