Kristi, There is a word for you but I am to polite to say it. Normally I do not get involved with this kind of mail but once in a while someone like you really makes me angry. If you think that Debie's site is so awful why don't you check out some of the other counties like Marinette or Door County. There are only a few sites in Wisconsin I like going to and one of them is Sheboygan. I will agree there are some problems but obviously you are not a true genealogist or you would be ecstatic over even a little tidbit of information. At least if you find a name you yourself could contact the Courthouse to get more if you wanted to. Is it the fact that you want everything on a silver platter that makes you act the way you do? You seem to be asking a lot of questions, do you have a personal grudge against Debie?? The reason why Amy left is really not any of your business nor mine for that matter. Maybe she got tired of putting up with people like you and didn't say anything on the list because she didn't want the NICE people to take offense. If you think her site is so bad why don't YOU VOLUNTEER and maybe you could make it easier on her or is that BENEATH you!!!!!!!!!!!!! By the way, I am not related to Debie nor have I ever met her. She has not sent me any money and I have not sent her any. I personally don't think anyone has cut you down but has tried to tell you how they feel. If you take it as an insult that is YOUR PROBLEM!!!! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristi Albiston <mykristi@mail.com> To: <WISHEBOY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Are you all done now? > Hello once more, > Are all of you done or just taking a break for some hand lotion? First I > really need to know something, its been bugging me more and more with each > letter and there have been about 13 so far. My first question is this, how > much is Debbie paying you people to rub her ego? Let me think a minute, the > mere 13 who replied to me are related to her, right? Perhaps I went about > this wrong, I should have rubbed her ego like you did and then maybe I would > have received some useful information, is that how she is paying all of you? > She puts crap on-line and if you rub her fragile ego enough she sends you > the useful information? I hope the information she sent was at least worth > the brown nosing I have seen here. > Let me ask this, if her site is so great, then why doesn't she have any > awards? The mere good sites at least receive awards. I noticed Fond du Lac > has an award, yet I noticed Debbie has nothing. Is it maybe that her site > really does suck? I was also boldly told that she is giving free information > to us users. HEELLOOOO!!!!! If this info is so free, why are so many people > talking about paying her? How much is she charging you and how does she go > about demanding your money? Sounds to me like she has a really good scam > going here and some people are stupid enough to pay for free information. > You people judge me, you don't even know me. How dare you cut me down and > tell me I am snotty. Where do you people come from that you feel it is all > right to cut me down like that? Maybe because what I said was the truth and > we all know that the truth hurts now don't we? Allow me to show you snotty. > If this female and the other people you yelled at me about are so wonderful, > then why isn't this site loaded? I remember Amy and I also know she left. > HHHmmmm.... don't you wonder if it was because her and Debi didn't see eye > to eye on what should be put on the web site. I seem to remember Debi > announcing Amy was leaving, but we never heard a word from Amy as to why. > Come to think of it, Amy never posted to the mailing list again. Was she > removed from the mailing list perhaps? How do we know Debbie didn't shove > her out because Amy was getting all the ego rubbing. Could it be that Debi > no longer wanted to share the wealth? You talk about all the info that is > there. I see a bunch of useless pictures of the City of Sheboygan, we are > looking for the past, not what the city looks like now. She is even stupid > enough to put pictures on-line that no one seems to know. What good is that? > A picture isn't to great when you don't even know who the people are. > If she is looking at each record and adding the parents names, and she is oh > so wonderful here now according to 13 people, why isn't she adding > everything on the record? Why stop at parent names, why not birth locations, > certainly there has to be more on the birth records then just the babies > name and the parents names, how about a location where this birth happened, > what about the birth location of the parents? Look at the marriages, why > doesn't she put the location of the marriage, the church, the matron of > honor and best man, why isn't she adding there names? See, this is what I > mean by useless. I have looked and looked and the most recent birth I was > able to find is 1912 and only a few at best and the marriages don't seem to > go much further then that. If she is adding the vital index to her oh so > useful site, why isn't she adding the full slate of index. > HHEEELLLLOOOOO!!!!! Anyone awake here, it is 2001 last time I checked, not > 1912 and I am pretty sure that people got married past 1912 and I am also > pretty sure that there has been a baby born there since 1912. See, once > again totally useless. What about adopted people looking for their parents? > She has no provision on her oh so useful site for those people. Let me > guess, no one has paid her for that section or rubbed her ego the right way > yet, right? I understand, no one from the entire county of Sheboygan was > ever adopted, right? A truly good site would make provisions for the adopted > children to locate their birth parents. Why don't all of you wake up and > smell the coffee, she isn't God or even the Mother of God. > Speaking of mothers, someone mentioned she was working on the site even > though her mother died. Well since when did the world stop just because this > woman's mother bought the farm? I never heard of her mother, so she must not > have been all that. Does anyone know what her mother died from? I bet I > know, she died from shame when she found out what her daughter was calling > useful. It was also stated that someone thought she didn't get any sleep, > well now I know why the site lacks, she is sleeping while putting half of > this stuff on the internet. Now I get it. > I have been doing research for almost 5 years now and say what you will, her > site stinks, she has a poor ego that needs rubbing and I think that there > are more then 13 people signed up to this mailing list. If there are only 13 > people signed onto this mailing list, then that does show this site really > is useless. A good web site has a bunch of people signed onto the mailing > list and the mailing list is active. The only mail I ever receive from this > list is from her and all she ever does is to tell us about all the almost > complete, but not quite info she herself has put on-line to help us. Let me > guess, after that then all 13 of you write to rub her ego and tell her how > great she is and how she is right up there with God. Wow, maybe I should bow > my head, she could be the next Mother Teresa, right? Listen folks, you can > bad mouth me all you want, but if you read what you wrote, all of you stated > it in one way or another, she does this for attention, free information is > being paid for and at the first sound of her leaving, 13 people run after > her and beg her to stay. What a joke! Why not let her leave, maybe we can > get Amy back and then something of use or at least complete will go on-line. > Not only does she NOT have a life, but neither do you. Someone else stated I > have no idea what is involved in information on the internet. Excuse me, > have you looked around, it can't be that hard with so many different web > sites out there. I am no computer geek, but her site isn't as fancy as > others, so where is her time and YOUR money going? > Well, she can maybe blast 13 of you into a dream world, but I am not the > only one who sees through her lies. Not everyone agrees with you. This guy > wrote to me and said he had enough and even wanted off of her mailing list > and she wouldn't let him off. Here, maybe if I post his e-mail to the > mailing list then perhaps he will be removed. He wrote and asked me to > remove him from the Sheboygan mailing list. Now isn't that pathetic. Here > Mrs. Ever-so-wonderful please remove this guy from your list, he has had > enough of your useless site and ego rubbing and even dumber updates of > incomplete information. BnanaSmurf@aol.com wants to get off of this dumb > list. Are you smart enough to remove him or does he need to pay you to > remove him or perhaps he needs to beg and plead to have this done. Maybe you > won't even do it because that would mean even less people on your mailing > list. Isn't there a minimum number of people needed to be signed up in order > to have a mailing list. Getting pretty low there, aren't you? > Most of you blew this way out of proportion, all I wanted to do was to help > her have a site she could be proud of, maybe if I would have wrote sooner, > even her momma wouldn't have died of shame. > Why don't all of you mighty mouth people ask yourself a few questions. Ask > yourself if the census information, I believe she called it an index, has > been useful to you? Where are the cemeteries? Have you ever heard of a > genealogy web site with no cemeteries on it? She has a newspaper article > section, where are they? Have any of you found this to be useful? How many > people used the vital indexes and found something you didn't already have, > especially with no parent names listed? She has a veterans memorial listed, > how many people found something useful from there? Let's face it, if you > didn't know your ancestor already died in a war, what information that she > has listed has been of help to you? There are no parent names, death dates, > location of death, events surrounding the death or even a stinking ID number > to even help a researcher to look for more information. > I stated last night I didn't mean to sound like a snot, I was trying to > point out where her site lacks and let's face it everyone, that is all her > site does is lack. It lacks the information needed to be of use to the > researcher. You still have to go elsewhere, look someplace else or pay > someone else for this information. Her site isn't useful to a serious > researcher. Maybe to a new person this site is God's gift to researchers, > but to a person who has been doing this for as many years as I have, there > is nothing of use there. Go back and read the letters that I received, go > past the nastiness and read what was said. She gives you a little bit, you > still need to pay someone else for the useful stuff. Someone mentioned a > research center, if Sheboygan has one, why isn't she going like her head is > on fire to this research center and doing her copying there and putting this > information on-line? Read what was written, it was said over and over, > people are paying her and then having to go elsewhere to pay more to someone > else for something they can use. Without trying to blast me into your dream > world, would someone please explain how this is useful? Can all 13 of you > people or anyone else, if there is anyone else on this mailing list share a > success with us? Can anyone on this mailing list write and honestly say that > they went onto her pile of bits and pieces site and found something they had > been looking and looking for? Has anyone ever been able to use this > haphazard site and say to us that they managed to get over or around the > brick wall they have hit by something she has on this site? If so, please I > would love to know it, also let us know how long you have been researching. > Like I said to a new person, this site could be the cat's meow. > Despite what 13 of you thought, I never meant to make it sound like I wanted > Debbie to give up her site, she sure turned it into that though, didn't she? > I just wanted to point out to her that she needs to add something we can > use. I am getting tired of waiting to find something useful on this site. > I have several brick walls in Sheboygan and have been waiting and hoping > that she would someday add something I could use to even nick those bricks, > but there is nothing there. If this is her site, why are so many of you > having to add your information to make it "Great"? > I am done trying to help her and all of you to have a site that is of use. I > tried to be nice in my last letter and all of you were rude and nasty. I > think Debbie knows I speak the truth, if you noticed, she didn't tell me to > go fly or that I was full of it, she almost seemed to be trying to convince > me of the greatness in this site. If I was so full of it, then why didn't > Debbi blast me like all of the ego rubbers did? Yes, you must be right, her > site is just awesome. NOT! > > By the way, this letter was meant to be snotty, so how do you like it? I > guess my parents were right when they told me that if you speak the truth > you will have people jumping all over you because not many can accept the > truth. They told me I would someday be surprised as to how much the truth > can really hurt. My parents were right as always and it sure does show here, > now doesn't it? > > Maybe I was wrong in writing my last letter, I guess I assumed more then > just one guy would be brave enough to try to get something we could use on > this site, I never thought poor Debie had to be treated like glass so her > little ego didn't break. Please forgive me for rocking her boat. > > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

I think that Kristi has gotten the picture by now and although I agree, there is no use putting the lady in front of a firing squad. Just let her know what she can volunteer to do and be done with it. I enjoy the site as I do with many in Wisconsin and Minnesota. I really get the most from the mailing lists though. In general people are very friendly and helpful. For that I am grateful. Not living in the area it is kind of difficult for the rest of us to do much in the way of contributing because we don't have much in the way of sources to contribute. If a package of work was to arrive in my mail box I wouldn't turn it down and I don't think Kristi would either. Thank you Debbie and all for all that you are contributing, with you your support it would be slim pickings. Mary

To Debi and list, When I wrote the attached I had not read Kristi's second letter. I thought she had a bad day, but after reading the second letter and the one I received from her I am not so sure of those thoughts. Secondly, I also should have reread what I wrote as I should have said without your support it would be slim pickings. I apologize for my errors on both counts. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Mary Gunn [mailto:wmgunn@sinclair.net] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 8:42 AM To: WISHEBOY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Are you all done now? I think that Kristi has gotten the picture by now and although I agree, there is no use putting the lady in front of a firing squad. Just let her know what she can volunteer to do and be done with it. I enjoy the site as I do with many in Wisconsin and Minnesota. I really get the most from the mailing lists though. In general people are very friendly and helpful. For that I am grateful. Not living in the area it is kind of difficult for the rest of us to do much in the way of contributing because we don't have much in the way of sources to contribute. If a package of work was to arrive in my mail box I wouldn't turn it down and I don't think Kristi would either. Thank you Debbie and all for all that you are contributing, with you your support it would be slim pickings. Mary ______________________________