Dot, Re your posted reply to BCSterling, I did not know that James Wise had 17 or so children. Are you speaking of the James Wise that was the son of BENJAMIN WISE of North Carolina? Benjamin had 3 sons - Josiah, James, and William C. (Culley). I believe that I am descended from that James and that the Frank E. Wise who has done all that North Carolina research is decended from Josiah. Does anyone posting on WISE have direct contact with Frank E. Wise or is close family? bmccay@aol.com