Hi Bob, I was hoping that I would see some of my WISE names in your Bio, but found none. I had hoped to see JACOB H. WISE, b. ___Mar. 1855 / 56 from Amwell, Washington, Co., PA., and his father: JAMES WISE b. abt. 1827 - 1829, married to SUSANNAH, her # 2 husband was: WILLIAM HALL. I still don't have JAMES WISE'S parents name & wife? I really thought they would be in your Bio, since your WISE'S are also from Pa. & near Pittsburgh, PA. Amwell isn't far from there, and they were also Jewish. I'm happy for you that you have traced your ancestor's back that far and all the information. CARPE DIEM, Lori ;- ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. ____________________________________ From: [email protected] Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 3/17/2009 7:16:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time Subj: Re: [WISE] Some generalized information I would second the cautions about taking spelling as a determinative clue as to origins. My WEISS line immigrated from what is now Alsace in the 1850s and were in Ohio before settling near Pittsburgh in western Pennsylvania.The family crops up in records as WHITE, WEISS and WISE. They seem to have settled on WISE around 1900. This WEISS line was Lutheran. Bob Warren [email protected] OR [email protected] My WEISS line: ....... 1?? Johann Georg Martin Weiss (1818 - 1870) b: 02 Sep 1818 in Wickersheim,?(now Alsace), d: 15 Jan 1870 in Glenfield, PA ? .......?? + Anna Margaretha Barbara Hornung (1825 - 1899) b: 26 Oct 1825 in Germany, m: Bef. 1853, d: 18? Jul 1899 in Allegheny, PA ? ............. 2?? Wilhelm Weiss (1853 - 1941) b: 13 May 1853 in Glenfield, PA, d: 28 Jun 1941 in Allegheny,? PA ? .............?? + Elizabeth ? (1861 - 1926) b: 1861, m: Abt. 1887 in Pennsylvania, d: 1926 in Allegheny, PA ? ................... 3?? Anna M Weiss (1888 - ) b: Abt. 1888 in Pennsylvania ? ...................?? + Adolph John Hafenbrak (1879 - 1967) b: 13 Nov 1879 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny,? Pennsylvania, USA, d: Jan 1967 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA ? ................... 3?? Roselia Weiss (1890 - 1897) b: 30 Apr 1890 in Pennsylvania, d: 28 Nov 1897 in? Pennsylvania ? ................... 3?? William H Wise (1893 - 1942) b: 06 Nov 1893, d: Aft. Jun 1942 ? ................... 3?? Philip Leroy Wise (1896 - 1993) b: 16 Jun 1896 in Old Allegheny, Pennsylvania, d: 18 Jan? 1993 in Mars, Butler, Pennsylvania, United States of America ? ...................?? + Sara F. Graham (1896 - ) b: 1896, m: Bef. Jun 1918 in Pittsburgh,? Allegheny,? Pennsylvania ? ................... 3?? John A Wise (1902 - ) b: Abt. 1902 in Pennsylvania ? ............. 2?? A. Maria Wise (1857 - 1919) b: 08 Mar 1857 in Glenfield, PA, d: 08 Feb 1919 in Allegheny,? PA ? .............?? + Conrad Weggel (1846 - 1916) b: Jan 1846 in Germany, m: Abt. 1882 in Pennsylvania, d:? 1916 in Allegheny, PA ? ............. 2?? Margaretha Weiss (1862 - 1947) b: 27 Nov 1862 in Glenfield, PA, d: 15 Jul 1947 in Westview,? PA ? .............?? + Christian Mueller (1857 - 1910) b: 04 Jan 1857 in Frutenhof, Koenig. Wurtemburg, Germany,? m: Bef. 1885, d: 30 Oct 1910 in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA ? ................... 3?? Eduard C. Mueller (1885 - 1932) b: 08 Feb 1885, d: 1932 ? ...................?? + Amalia Shaffnit (1887 - 1977) b: 12 Mar 1887, m: 12 Aug 1908 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny,? Pennsylvania, USA, d: Nov 1977 ? ................... 3?? Elizabeth M. Mueller (1887 - 1905) b: 12 Mar 1887 in Allegheny, PA, d: 14 Aug 1905 in? Allegheny, PA ? ................... 3?? Andrew Mueller (1889 - 1961) b: 25 Feb 1889 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania,? USA, d: 14 May 1961 in Rochester, Beaver, Pennsylvania, USA ? ...................?? + Betty Louise Bruce (1904 - 1989) b: 12 May 1904 in Conway, PA, d: 22 Aug 1989 in? Rochester, Beaver, Pennsylvania, USA ? ................... 3?? Anna Maria Margaretha Mueller (1891 - 1955) b: 18 Jun 1891 in Allegheny City,? Allegheny Co., PA, d: 18 Sep 1955 in Zelienople, Butler, Pennsylvania, USA ? ...................?? + Hugh Eugene Warren (1890 - 1985) b: 03 Jan 1890 in Homestead, Allegheny,? Pennsylvania, USA, m: 30 Nov 1911 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA, d: 25? Feb 1985 in Zelienople, Butler, Pennsylvania, USA ? ................... 3?? Clara Mary Mueller (1893 - 1965) b: 24 Nov 1893 in Allegheny, PA, d: 29 Jan 1965 in PA ? ................... 3?? Christian Herman Mueller (1896 - 1970) b: 02 Aug 1896 in Allegheny, PA, d: 10 Jan 1970? in Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, USA ? ...................?? + Lottie May Richardson (1898 - 1965) b: 18 May 1898 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny,? Pennsylvania, USA, m: 30 Mar 1916, d: 24 Aug 1965 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny,? Pennsylvania, USA ? ................... 3?? Hans Christian Mueller (1899 - 1986) b: 27 Feb 1899 in Allegheny, PA, d: 10 Apr 1986 in? Marinette, WI ? ...................?? + Laura Matilda Franz (1903 - 1990) b: 01 Feb 1903 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania,? USA, m: Bef. 1936, d: 11 Apr 1990 ? -----Original Message----- From: Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> To: WISE <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:12 am Subject: [WISE] Some generalized information As with anything generalized there will be numerous exceptions. However sometimes generalities can lead to something useful. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the following personally. It was sent to me back in 1998 by someone. I found it interesting enough to keep it for later reference. Enjoy. ****************************************************************** The WEISS' immigrated from Germany to Canada and eventually New York State and other Northeast states. They were Jewish. Some Anglicized their name, changing it to WISE, to avoid anti-semitism. When researching the WISE branch of the WEISS', you will frequently come across Old Testament names like Abraham, Isaac, Joel, Samuel, and David. This is a good indication you are in the WEISS family line. The WEIS family( later changed to WEIS, WIES, and WISE were German Catholics who immigrated to Pennsylvania. As far as I can tell, the WEISE's and WEISS' did not intermarry. This branch later migrated westward to Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Kansas, and the west. The WISE family were English Protestants and immigrated in the 1600's to Virginia, near Jamestown. A descendant, Henry Alexander WISE, was governor of Virginia and a general in The Confederacy. Descendants are almost entirely in the South, predominantly Virginia ( Wise VA, located in Wise County, was named after Henry WISE ), West Virginia ( where WISE is a very common name ), South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas ( where WISE is also a common name ). Wise is a fairly common name in England. So you have three distinct family lines with three different religions. Usually the religious affiliation will clarify which line one is researching , since there was less inter-faith marriage before the mid twentieth century. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb)