Welcome Billie, my name is Ken Miller and my Wise connection is through my grandmother.  She and many of the others in the tree came from Indiana and Pennsylvania. Michael Wise b. 1735 is as far as we are for now --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: [WISE] Greetings, Felicitations, and just plain HOWDY To: "WISE" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 3:20 PM A short time back I noticed that the list was up for adoption. SO, I'm the new list administrator. Not that it's such a tough job or anything. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello. Fell free to e-mail me with any list oriented issues you might have. I see there are 155 of us on the list. My name is Billie Walsh. I'm 62 years old and {re}tired. I firmly believe that genealogy is about a lot more than just names and dates. Family stories are just as important. It's the stories that make our ancestors live again for us. I was a mechanic for a number of years and when good ol' Uncle Arthur got to me I made a career change into retail. Spent seventeen years in a Big Box Store. I thought it was fun [ for the most part ]. My foray into genealogy began when one of my daughters asked me, well basically, "Where do we come from?" At that point I didn't have an answer so I started digging to get her one. It's been an interesting journey. Sometimes fun and some times frustrating. Every time I find one answer I get two more questions. *<]:oD As long as things don't get to far afield I see no problem with posts related to just about anything WISE. [ family stories, old family recipes, etc. ] For some that might not know, typing in ALL CAPS is allowed for surnames on genealogy lists and is preferred [ see above ]. [ In some other areas typing in all caps will get you blasted. It's considered shouting ] It helps those reading messages to pick out related family names quickly. It's not a hard and fast rule but I would ask that anyone posting please use all caps for surnames. I promise not to be a dictator and hard to get along with. I want to see sharing be fun. As for myself, I can definitely trace my WISE line back to Indiana/Ohio and tentatively back to Pennsylvania. I'll get around to posting something more later. Lets see if anyone reads down this far. How about everyone introduce yourself. Just hit reply and tell us a bit about yourself [ we'll get around to trees later ]. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Becky, finding Jewish roots wasn't the only thing that people might like to cover up. In my family there were a couple of Wise lines that also tried a cover up. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I am strongly suspicious that it traces back to a Henry Wise who was hanged along with four others for a crime in Lebanon, Pennsylvania in 1880. The "Blue Eyed Six" case was publicized world wide and it would have been a major scandal to have been related to him. It turns out he wasn't "family" but I think those involved in the cover up thought that he was. Neil In a message dated 3/15/2009 8:20:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Billie, I wonder if it is a Wise family trait to box up the genealogy and hide it when they find something they don't like. In my branch of the James Wise from South Carolina, there was a cousin that did extensive work on the Wise line, then one day she came to a screeching halt, told her daughter that she did not need to go into any more researching. From that day forward she has refused to even discuss what she found that made her stop. Becky in Tennessee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Like the story of the ancestor that dies in the collapse of the podium while guest of honor at a major town function? *<]:oD [email protected] wrote: > Becky, finding Jewish roots wasn't the only thing that people might like to > cover up. In my family there were a couple of Wise lines that also tried a > cover up. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I am strongly suspicious that it > traces back to a Henry Wise who was hanged along with four others for a > crime in Lebanon, Pennsylvania in 1880. The "Blue Eyed Six" case was publicized > world wide and it would have been a major scandal to have been related to him. > It turns out he wasn't "family" but I think those involved in the cover up > thought that he was. > > Neil -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

Got it, Billie Perry Wise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Erin Walsh" <[email protected]> To: "WISE" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: [WISE] Test - Becky > Lets see if everything is working. > > -- > > > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's very unfortunate, and very common. I had to research my own grandparents all by myself, and the first photos I ever had of them came frmo third cousins, and it wasn't that my father didn't have a whole collection! You'll just have to get busy and research them yourself. We ought to be able to help. Tell us everything you know about them. Dates and places of birth, marriage, death. Dates and places of birth of their children. Where you know them to have lived adn when. Adn what they did for a living. Never mind speculating on whether they were Jewish, wealthy or lawyers at this point. Maybe they were, and maybe they weren't. That sort of intuition is useful to keep in mind for when it makes a difference and you have no idea where to search next, which isn't yet the case. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Erin Walsh" <[email protected]> To: "WISE" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: [WISE] Family Tale > It seems that several years ago my Great-Uncle, Jim Richardson [ father: > William Harmon RICHARDSON mother: Louetta Christine WISE ] got > interested in climbing the family tree. Lucky for him many of the older > generation were still alive to talk to. Unlucky for the rest of the > family he found some information that "disturbed" him. He boxed > everything up and stuffed it in the attic, or somewhere, that has since > become unavailable. He _never_ would talk about the family after that > > Family speculation was that he found out the WISE branch was Jewish. > > A few years ago I mentioned this story in a genealogy chat room. One of > the participants opened a private chat and asked me how I personally > felt about that possibility. I told him that I had already found a big > time lawyer in my tree so..................no big deal. [ Now don't any > lawyers on the list start flaming me - OK. ] He said that was a pretty > good attitude. > > -- > > > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

For whole generations being "Jewish" or of "Jewish Descent" was unacceptable. Being a "Jew" was to be something dirty. To re-phrase and old joke, "You can pick your nose and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your ancestors." Historically probably not "all" but a good number of our "WISE" ancestors probably were of Jewish descent. I'm sure a lot of good information has been lost because those that discovered their Jewish roots couldn't accept it and hid their work. It's really a shame. I remember a news story from several years ago about a high society "white" lady in Louisiana that for whatever reason needed her birth certificate. On the birth certificate it showed her race as "Black". She was incensed. It seems that under Louisiana law if there was one black ancestor all children were recorded as black from then on. She was suing the state over it. Being "Black" was not acceptable for her. She was ashamed of that small part of her ancestry. I feel like no one should ever be ashamed of where they came from. If I have/had a Jewish G Grandmother then I had a Jewish G Grandmother. Although I only have one clear memory of her from my childhood I remember that she loved all her family and that her family loved her. That's nothing to be ashamed of. Becky Campbell wrote: > Billie, > I wonder if it is a Wise family trait to box up the genealogy and hide it when they find something they don't like. > In my branch of the James Wise from South Carolina, there was a cousin that did extensive work on the Wise line, then one day she came to a screeching halt, told her daughter that she did not need to go into any more researching. From that day forward she has refused to even discuss what she found that made her stop. > > Becky in Tennessee -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

Billie, I wonder if it is a Wise family trait to box up the genealogy and hide it when they find something they don't like. In my branch of the James Wise from South Carolina, there was a cousin that did extensive work on the Wise line, then one day she came to a screeching halt, told her daughter that she did not need to go into any more researching. From that day forward she has refused to even discuss what she found that made her stop. Becky in Tennessee

It seems that several years ago my Great-Uncle, Jim Richardson [ father: William Harmon RICHARDSON mother: Louetta Christine WISE ] got interested in climbing the family tree. Lucky for him many of the older generation were still alive to talk to. Unlucky for the rest of the family he found some information that "disturbed" him. He boxed everything up and stuffed it in the attic, or somewhere, that has since become unavailable. He _never_ would talk about the family after that Family speculation was that he found out the WISE branch was Jewish. A few years ago I mentioned this story in a genealogy chat room. One of the participants opened a private chat and asked me how I personally felt about that possibility. I told him that I had already found a big time lawyer in my tree so..................no big deal. [ Now don't any lawyers on the list start flaming me - OK. ] He said that was a pretty good attitude. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

I don't know if this will be any help to you or not - but I do know there was a Dr. Thad Wise in Americus, Sumter Co. Ga in the 1930s. No relative of mine so can offer no further help. -bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: [WISE] COL. JOHN WISE (1733 - 1800) > Hi Wise - Cuz - in - law, > > Here is some information from Julie, & > Glenna...........................this > will also be in some of my lines. > I have to go through files and see what else I have. > > CARPE DIEM, > > Lori ;- ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. > > CHUCKLE: > > THE WORST THING ABOUT RETIREMENT IS THAT YOU FIND OUT HOW YOUR SPOUSE HAS > BEEN HANDLING THINGS AT HOME ALL THESE YEARS....................... > > > > John Wise was born 25 Sep 1779 in Newberry, SC. I have his death as 16 > Sep > 1860 in Newberry or Edgefield, SC. His wives were Anna Mary Margaret > Kelly > and Elizabeth Kelly. I have this John on the 1820 census in Newberry. > > Yet he and his granddaughter's family moved to Georgia -- and they > settled > in Sumter Co. in about 1867-1870. She is on the 1870 census in Sumter > Co. > We've wondered if they went back to an area where family was living. > > Our line is: > 1. Martha Pauline Wise (1846) md. David Samuel Derrick > moved to Sumter in about 1867-1870. Daughter of: > > 2. Joel Wise (1820-1895) md. Nancy Melissa Schumpert (1819-1849). Son > of: > > 3. John Wise (1779-1860) md. Anna Mary Margaret Kelly (1779-1830). Son > of: > > 4. Johann Georg Weiss (1742-1821) md Anna Barbara Bickley ( 1749-1837). > Son > of: > > 5. Ernst Frederick Weiss (1705-1792) md. Maria Barbara Ruff (abt 1710-abt > 1750). Son of Johann Georg Weiss (b. 1670) of Merseberg, Prussia, > Germany (no > wife indicated). > > Can you find any link to the GA line that you are familiar with? Where > might the John you mention fit in? > > Thanks! > Julie > > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wise/1299.3/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Glenna, > Are you still seeking information on Joseph Wise, b1740 and his ancestors > in > Virginia? > I am descended from Joseph thru his son Joel and have extended the line > back > to Joseph's grandparents, William Wise, b ca 1681, d 1752 Brunswick, VA. > Have not been able to find where William was born. Some have said that he > is > descended from Col. John Wise and his line in Accomac Co. VA but I have > not been > able to prove this and the dates don't appear right. Do you have anything > on > this connection? > I also show that Joseph was born in Wayne Co. NC as were most of his 11 > siblings. > Jack Wise > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Here is some info. from....................Jack Wise > > > Col. John Wise (1733-1800 -- married to Anne Smith). Based on my > research > John would be my Great,Great,Great,Great,Greatgrandaddy. I am the > daughter of > Bobby Wise, son of Arthur Wise (1902-1976), son of Todd Wise (1877-1971), > son > of Herrin Wise (1838-1908), son of James Wise (1800-1873), son of Joseph > Wise (1772), son of the aforementioned John Wise (1733-1800). I'm trying > to > find proof that this is the lineage and also that John Wise did in fact > serve > during the Revolutionary War. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Kelli > > > > > ____________________________________ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: 3/14/2009 7:17:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time > Subj: Re: [WISE] Joseph Wise, Oglethorpe County, Ga.; 1745-1805 > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: jwiseancestry > Surnames: Wise > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > > > Message Board Post: > > Glenna, > Are you still seeking information on Joseph Wise, b1740 and his ancestors > in > Virginia? > I am descended from Joseph thru his son Joel and have extended the line > back > to Joseph's grandparents, William Wise, b ca 1681, d 1752 Brunswick, VA. > Have not been able to find where William was born. Some have said that he > is > descended from Col. John Wise and his line in Accomac Co. VA but I have > not been > able to prove this and the dates don't appear right. Do you have anything > on > this connection? > I also show that Joseph was born in Wayne Co. NC as were most of his 11 > siblings. > Jack Wise > > > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wise - Cuz - in - law, Here is some information from Julie, & Glenna...........................this will also be in some of my lines. I have to go through files and see what else I have. CARPE DIEM, Lori ;- ) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. CHUCKLE: THE WORST THING ABOUT RETIREMENT IS THAT YOU FIND OUT HOW YOUR SPOUSE HAS BEEN HANDLING THINGS AT HOME ALL THESE YEARS....................... John Wise was born 25 Sep 1779 in Newberry, SC. I have his death as 16 Sep 1860 in Newberry or Edgefield, SC. His wives were Anna Mary Margaret Kelly and Elizabeth Kelly. I have this John on the 1820 census in Newberry. Yet he and his granddaughter's family moved to Georgia -- and they settled in Sumter Co. in about 1867-1870. She is on the 1870 census in Sumter Co. We've wondered if they went back to an area where family was living. Our line is: 1. Martha Pauline Wise (1846) md. David Samuel Derrick moved to Sumter in about 1867-1870. Daughter of: 2. Joel Wise (1820-1895) md. Nancy Melissa Schumpert (1819-1849). Son of: 3. John Wise (1779-1860) md. Anna Mary Margaret Kelly (1779-1830). Son of: 4. Johann Georg Weiss (1742-1821) md Anna Barbara Bickley ( 1749-1837). Son of: 5. Ernst Frederick Weiss (1705-1792) md. Maria Barbara Ruff (abt 1710-abt 1750). Son of Johann Georg Weiss (b. 1670) of Merseberg, Prussia, Germany (no wife indicated). Can you find any link to the GA line that you are familiar with? Where might the John you mention fit in? Thanks! Julie http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wise/1299.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Glenna, Are you still seeking information on Joseph Wise, b1740 and his ancestors in Virginia? I am descended from Joseph thru his son Joel and have extended the line back to Joseph's grandparents, William Wise, b ca 1681, d 1752 Brunswick, VA. Have not been able to find where William was born. Some have said that he is descended from Col. John Wise and his line in Accomac Co. VA but I have not been able to prove this and the dates don't appear right. Do you have anything on this connection? I also show that Joseph was born in Wayne Co. NC as were most of his 11 siblings. Jack Wise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is some info. from....................Jack Wise Col. John Wise (1733-1800 -- married to Anne Smith). Based on my research John would be my Great,Great,Great,Great,Greatgrandaddy. I am the daughter of Bobby Wise, son of Arthur Wise (1902-1976), son of Todd Wise (1877-1971), son of Herrin Wise (1838-1908), son of James Wise (1800-1873), son of Joseph Wise (1772), son of the aforementioned John Wise (1733-1800). I'm trying to find proof that this is the lineage and also that John Wise did in fact serve during the Revolutionary War. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Kelli ____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 3/14/2009 7:17:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time Subj: Re: [WISE] Joseph Wise, Oglethorpe County, Ga.; 1745-1805 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jwiseancestry Surnames: Wise Classification: queries Message Board URL: Message Board Post: Glenna, Are you still seeking information on Joseph Wise, b1740 and his ancestors in Virginia? I am descended from Joseph thru his son Joel and have extended the line back to Joseph's grandparents, William Wise, b ca 1681, d 1752 Brunswick, VA. Have not been able to find where William was born. Some have said that he is descended from Col. John Wise and his line in Accomac Co. VA but I have not been able to prove this and the dates don't appear right. Do you have anything on this connection? I also show that Joseph was born in Wayne Co. NC as were most of his 11 siblings. Jack Wise **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

Hi Geni Cuz - in - law.......................BILLIE WALSH, Welcome to being the new LIST ADMINISTRATOR, (Brave Soul ! ) I'll being be hearing from you and all our Kissen Cousins, in search of the souls of ancestors of the Wise's............................ CARPE CIEM, Lori ;-) in Arizona formally from Washington, PA. In a message dated 3/14/2009 7:30:13 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Billie, I am a descendant fom John E. WISE, son of James ? WISE, B 1791 in SC. I have been into genealogy for 5 years and the Wise family is truly a brick wall for me. Looking forward to working with you. Judy Young --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: [WISE] Greetings, Felicitations, and just plain HOWDY To: "WISE" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM A short time back I noticed that the list was up for adoption. SO, I'm the new list administrator. Not that it's such a tough job or anything. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello. Fell free to e-mail me with any list oriented issues you might have. I see there are 155 of us on the list. My name is Billie Walsh. I'm 62 years old and {re}tired. I firmly believe that genealogy is about a lot more than just names and dates. Family stories are just as important. It's the stories that make our ancestors live again for us. I was a mechanic for a number of years and when good ol' Uncle Arthur got to me I made a career change into retail. Spent seventeen years in a Big Box Store. I thought it was fun [ for the most part ]. My foray into genealogy began when one of my daughters asked me, well basically, "Where do we come from?" At that point I didn't have an answer so I started digging to get her one. It's been an interesting journey. Sometimes fun and some times frustrating. Every time I find one answer I get two more questions. *<]:oD As long as things don't get to far afield I see no problem with posts related to just about anything WISE. [ family stories, old family recipes, etc. ] For some that might not know, typing in ALL CAPS is allowed for surnames on genealogy lists and is preferred [ see above ]. [ In some other areas typing in all caps will get you blasted. It's considered shouting ] It helps those reading messages to pick out related family names quickly. It's not a hard and fast rule but I would ask that anyone posting please use all caps for surnames. I promise not to be a dictator and hard to get along with. I want to see sharing be fun. As for myself, I can definitely trace my WISE line back to Indiana/Ohio and tentatively back to Pennsylvania. I'll get around to posting something more later. Lets see if anyone reads down this far. How about everyone introduce yourself. Just hit reply and tell us a bit about yourself [ we'll get around to trees later ]. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jwiseancestry Surnames: Wise Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wise/1299.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Glenna, Are you still seeking information on Joseph Wise, b1740 and his ancestors in Virginia? I am descended from Joseph thru his son Joel and have extended the line back to Joseph's grandparents, William Wise, b ca 1681, d 1752 Brunswick, VA. Have not been able to find where William was born. Some have said that he is descended from Col. John Wise and his line in Accomac Co. VA but I have not been able to prove this and the dates don't appear right. Do you have anything on this connection? I also show that Joseph was born in Wayne Co. NC as were most of his 11 siblings. Jack Wise Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Here's what I know for sure. Descendants of Wise, Samuel "Ishmael" 1.Wise, Samuel "Ishmael" (b. 1817-03-25 - Ohio) sp. Coy, Nancy (b. 1817 - Indiana) 2.Wise, Jessee (b. 1834-11-00 - Madison County Indiana) sp. A., Hester (b. 1839 - Indiana) 3.Wise, Grant (b. 1866) 3.Wise, Viola (b. 1867) 3.Wise, Mary E. (b. 1869) 3.Wise, Arinenta (b. 1873) 3.Wise, Hiram (b. 1877) 2.Wise, Benjamin (b. 1843-08-26) 2.Wise, Martha E. (b. 1849) 2.Wise, Matthew Theodore (b. 1849-11-23 - Indiana, d. 1881-09-30 - IndependenceTownship, NodawayCounty, Mo.) sp. Boyer, Mary Ann (b. 1852-12-16 - Indiana, d. 1902-03-05 - Arkansas) 3.Wise, Benjamin Franklin (b. 1873-12-27 - Indiana, d. 1920-02-03 - Arkansas) sp. Richardson, Martha Jane (b. 1873-06-06, d. 1954-03-30) 4.Wise, Alfred 4.Wise, Franklin Elbert (b. 1896 - Arkansas) sp. Spicer, Rebecca 5.Wise, Bessie Mae 5.Wise, Refae 4.Wise, Lula (b. 1899 - Arkansas) sp. Frailey 4.Wise, Rose (b. 1901 - Arkansas) sp. Anderson 4.Wise, David Earl (b. 1902 - Arkansas) sp. Harberson, Maggie 3.Wise, Nancy Alice (b. 1875 - Indiana) 3.Wise, Louetta Christine (b. 1881-11-23 - Hopkins, Nodaway Co., Missouri, d. 1965-10-27 - Walnut Ridge Arkansas) sp. Richardson, William Harmon (b. 1880-09-10 - Izard Co. Arkansas, d. 1933-09-05 - Douthat Oklahoma) 4.Richardson, James Ira "Jim" (b. 1902-09-10 - Hardy Arkansas) sp. Sellers, Irma 5.Richardson, Beatrice 5.Richardson, Jimmie Sharon 4.Richardson, Benjamin Ernest "Ern" (b. 1904-10-15 - Hardy Arkansas) sp. Sellers, Emma Ruth 5.Richardson, David Ira 5.Richardson, Sydnia Delores 5.Richardson, William Ernest "Tommy" 5.Richardson, John Dale 4.Richardson, Vera Louetta (b. 1907-06-14 - Scammon Kansas, d. 1982-10-26 - Enid, Garfield County, Oklahoma) sp. Walsh, Clarence William (b. 1897-12-05 - Hardy Arkansas, d. 1964-08-19 - Oklahoma City Oklahoma) 5.Walsh, William Jr. (b. 1925-01-19 - Commerce Oklahoma) sp. Cutforth, Glen sp. Hirst, C. M. "Charley" (b. 1900 - Drummond Oklahoma, d. 1984 - Enid Oklahoma) 4.Richardson, Willie Edith (b. 1911-06-29 - Scammon Kansas) sp. Jordan, Francis (b. - Baxter Springs Kansas, d. 1970-06-17) 5.Jordan, Vera Inez 5.Jordan, Robert Gearld 4.Richardson, Thelbert Ross "Ab" (b. 1914-07-12 - Hardy Arkansas, d. 1979-04-14 - Miami Oklahoma) sp. Haney, Iva (b. 1919-01-05, d. 1973-11-08 - Enid Oklahoma) 5.Richardson, Ernest Leroy (b. 1936-04-17, d. 1937-01-00) 4.Richardson, Baby Sister (b. 1917-10-07 - Hardy Arkansas, d. 1917-12-07 - Hardy Arkansas) 4.Richardson, Martha Faye (b. 1918-10-28 - Hardy Arkansas, d. 1997-01-17 - Tulsa, Tulsa County, Oklahoma) sp. Trent, Wayne (b. 1917-11-29, d. 1990-03-19 - Enid Oklahoma) 4.Richardson, Alice Maye (b. 1918-10-28 - Hardy Arkansas, d. 1938-11-23 - Picher Oklahoma) 2.Wise, Thomas (b. 1853) [ Yeah, I know. I didn't "all caps" the surnames. It's a Copy/Paste from a report generated by my genealogy program. ] This takes us down to my father, William WALSH This is what I think is correct but no proof on hand: Descendants of Wise, John 1.Wise, John (b. - VA, d. 1788 - VA) sp. Unknown 2.Wise, Henry (b. 1742 - VA, d. 1828 - Hamilton Co.,Indiana) 2.Wise, Magdalene (b. 1744) 2.Wise, Jacob (b. 1746) 2.Wise, John (b. 1748 - poss. VA, d. 1831-01-01 - Perkinsville,Madison Co.,Indiana) sp. Unknown 3.Wise, Daniel (b. - Hardy Co.,VA?, d. 1848 - Madison Co.,Indiana) sp. Miller, Mary (b. - VA, d. - Madison Co.,Indiana) 4.Wise, Lucinda sp. McClintock, Unknown 4.Wise, Huldah sp. Kenrk-Daniel 4.Wise, Lovina sp. Ryan, L. 4.Wise, Seth 4.Wise, Loranna sp. Coy, Matthew 4.Wise, Perina 4.Wise, Daniel , Jr. (b. 1833-05-04) sp. Thurman, Susan 3.Wise, Martin (b. 1785-04-15 - VA, d. 1828-01-09 - Madison Co.,Indiana) sp. Strumbaugh, Barbara (b. 1788, d. 1840-09-10 - Madison Co.,Indiana) 4.Wise, John (b. 1811-12-27 - Ross Co.,Ohio, d. 1901-06-19 - Perkinsville,Madison Co.,Indiana) sp. McClintock, Harriet (b. 1815-01-18 - Ohio (poss. Ross Co.,), d. 1862-01-15 - Perkinsville,Madison Co.,Indiana) 5.Wise, Martin (b. 1832-01-18, d. 1902 - Madison Co.,Indiana) 5.Wise, Mary (b. 1833-12-13) 5.Wise, Elizabeth (b. 1837-01-05) 5.Wise, Alexander (b. 1838-08-02 - Madison Co.,Indiana) 5.Wise, Barbara Jane (b. 1840-06-23 - Madison Co.,Indiana) 5.Wise, James Edward (b. 1844-08-05, d. 1845-10-04) 5.Wise, William "Billie" H. (b. 1847-07-25 - Madison Co.,Indiana, d. 1931-05-04 - Perkinsville,Madison Co.,Indiana) 5.Wise, Samantha (b. 1850-08-02) 5.Wise, Margaret Catherine (b. 1852-07-13, d. 1938) 4.Wise, Samuel "Ishmael" (b. 1817-03-25 - Ohio) sp. Coy, Nancy (b. 1817 - Indiana) 5.Wise, Benjamin (b. 1843-08-26) 5.Wise, Martha E. (b. 1849) 5.Wise, Matthew Theodore (b. 1849-11-23 - Indiana, d. 1881-09-30 - IndependenceTownship, NodawayCounty, Mo.) 5.Wise, Thomas (b. 1853) 5.Wise, Jessee (b. 1834-11-00 - Madison County Indiana) 4.Wise, Moses (b. 1819-01-05) sp. Coy, Margaret 4.Wise, Jessey (b. 1819-11-25) sp. Elliot, Katherine 4.Wise, Phoebe (b. 1821-07-06) sp. McClintock, Jim 2.Wise, Sebastian (b. 1750, d. 1824) 2.Wise, Eve (b. 1752) 2.Wise, Elizabeth (b. 1755) 2.Wise, Martin (b. 1760) I know I said Pennsylvania before but that's what happens when I do things from memory without checking first. [ my poor old rememberer isn't what it used to be. ] It seems that they came from Virginia instead. Anyway, that's everything I have. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

Hi Billie,    I am a descendant fom John E. WISE, son of James ? WISE, B 1791 in SC.  I have been into genealogy for 5 years and the Wise family is truly a brick wall for me.   Looking forward to working with you.   Judy Young --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> wrote: From: Billie Erin Walsh <[email protected]> Subject: [WISE] Greetings, Felicitations, and just plain HOWDY To: "WISE" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:20 AM A short time back I noticed that the list was up for adoption. SO, I'm the new list administrator. Not that it's such a tough job or anything. Anyway, I just wanted to say hello. Fell free to e-mail me with any list oriented issues you might have. I see there are 155 of us on the list. My name is Billie Walsh. I'm 62 years old and {re}tired. I firmly believe that genealogy is about a lot more than just names and dates. Family stories are just as important. It's the stories that make our ancestors live again for us. I was a mechanic for a number of years and when good ol' Uncle Arthur got to me I made a career change into retail. Spent seventeen years in a Big Box Store. I thought it was fun [ for the most part ]. My foray into genealogy began when one of my daughters asked me, well basically, "Where do we come from?" At that point I didn't have an answer so I started digging to get her one. It's been an interesting journey. Sometimes fun and some times frustrating. Every time I find one answer I get two more questions. *<]:oD As long as things don't get to far afield I see no problem with posts related to just about anything WISE. [ family stories, old family recipes, etc. ] For some that might not know, typing in ALL CAPS is allowed for surnames on genealogy lists and is preferred [ see above ]. [ In some other areas typing in all caps will get you blasted. It's considered shouting ] It helps those reading messages to pick out related family names quickly. It's not a hard and fast rule but I would ask that anyone posting please use all caps for surnames. I promise not to be a dictator and hard to get along with. I want to see sharing be fun. As for myself, I can definitely trace my WISE line back to Indiana/Ohio and tentatively back to Pennsylvania. I'll get around to posting something more later. Lets see if anyone reads down this far. How about everyone introduce yourself. Just hit reply and tell us a bit about yourself [ we'll get around to trees later ]. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BMcTree Surnames: Wise Byrd Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wise/2144.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Leon, Chester (Chet), and Lloyd were my father's half brothers. Floyd was Chester's son. Please give me a clue about Lillian, the name is tickling my memory. My father's father and the father of Leon, Chet, and Lloyd has been known by Henry Calvin, Henry Hutsel, Hutsel Calvin, Henry Hutsel Calvin, and more commonly H.C. I think that Hutsel Calvin is on his tombstone - I can check that. He and my grandmother Lillie Mae Byrd were married in North Carolina and are buried in a cemetery on US Hwy 64 east of Conway AR. Several of their descendents are also buried there. Many of Floyd's children and descendents live near Conway and Vilonia AR. H.C. and Lillie Mae were from near Bakersville NC. Most of their near relatives never really left there. I sort of grew up playing with Floyd's children. I knew him and his father Chet and met Leon a few times when he came to Arkansas in 1960's to visit my father Clyde E. Wise. My father died in 1990. He was H.C.'s youngest child, from what we think was H.C.s 3rd marriage. Dad knew all the children from the 3 marriages. I will quiz my mother and get back with you but regretfully I may be very slow about it. Has anyone else replied to your post? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hey its great to see so many Wise people responding. I live in Tennessee but my mother and her parents and grandparents were Louisiana natives from the Claiborne, Bienville, Lincoln Parish areas. Becky

Hi Sharon, Are you connected to a Benjamin R,. Wise? His family was from La. I believe his father was William. William was in the household of a Benjamin Wise b. about 1805. I do not know anything about this family except a male from this family matches my brothers DNA. My Wises (William) were from S. C. and moved to Bulloch County, Ga. in 1790. Bonnie Wise Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry & Sharon Woolery" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISE] Greetings, Felicitations, and just plain HOWDY > Hi Billie.......welcome! > I'm an Oklahoma Wise descended from the Louisiana Wise family. > > Sharon Wise Woolery > WISE, WRIGHT,MAYES, SMITH, NORTHCUTT, GOINS, GOLD > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On 03/13/2009 [email protected]: > Would you happen to have a Joseph H. Wise from Blackford County, > Indiana in your tree? > Noreen I'm sorry, I don't. -- Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

Hello Billie, I have been searching for my husband's WISE family since year 2000 with only minimal success. His immediate family settled in central OHIO after two generations living in INDIANA near Fort Wayne; the generation before that was the immigrant generation from Baden, Germany in the early 1800s.....Wise then was spelled WEISS. Haven't been able to trace the route of the original generation across the US. Hope someone else can shed light on the brick wall. Thanks, Barbara Tyson Wise Burton, Texas > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:20:59 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WISE] Greetings, Felicitations, and just plain HOWDY > > A short time back I noticed that the list was up for adoption. SO, I'm > the new list administrator. Not that it's such a tough job or anything. > Anyway, I just wanted to say hello. Fell free to e-mail me with any list > oriented issues you might have. > > I see there are 155 of us on the list. > > My name is Billie Walsh. I'm 62 years old and {re}tired. I firmly > believe that genealogy is about a lot more than just names and dates. > Family stories are just as important. It's the stories that make our > ancestors live again for us. I was a mechanic for a number of years and > when good ol' Uncle Arthur got to me I made a career change into retail. > Spent seventeen years in a Big Box Store. I thought it was fun [ for the > most part ]. My foray into genealogy began when one of my daughters > asked me, well basically, "Where do we come from?" At that point I > didn't have an answer so I started digging to get her one. It's been an > interesting journey. Sometimes fun and some times frustrating. Every > time I find one answer I get two more questions. *<]:oD > > As long as things don't get to far afield I see no problem with posts > related to just about anything WISE. [ family stories, old family > recipes, etc. ] > > For some that might not know, typing in ALL CAPS is allowed for surnames > on genealogy lists and is preferred [ see above ]. [ In some other areas > typing in all caps will get you blasted. It's considered shouting ] It > helps those reading messages to pick out related family names quickly. > It's not a hard and fast rule but I would ask that anyone posting please > use all caps for surnames. > > I promise not to be a dictator and hard to get along with. I want to see > sharing be fun. > > As for myself, I can definitely trace my WISE line back to Indiana/Ohio > and tentatively back to Pennsylvania. I'll get around to posting > something more later. > > Lets see if anyone reads down this far. > > How about everyone introduce yourself. Just hit reply and tell us a bit > about yourself [ we'll get around to trees later ]. > > -- > > > Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wise196 Surnames: wise Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.wise/2290.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have traced the Wise side of my tree back to Thomas Wise born 1818. but I don't have any other info. Do you know where george was born? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.