sorry - but must for a while Robbi Viveiros VIVEIROS@MSN.COM --

Hi Steve, I saw the message you sent to John. I couldn't help but comment on your name. My aunt married William Paul who was killed in 1915 in France during the war. I wonder if there's any connection. He married my aunt who is a Wyse, different spelling to you but quite a coincidence. Beryl -----Original Message----- From: Steve Paul <spaul@dialnet.net> To: WISE-L@rootsweb.com <WISE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Wise >John - > > Glad to see the tribute to the Veterans that Mike posted. I second his >feelings. I noticed he mentioned Joseph Paul Wise. > > This is a long shot but it's worth a try................ My 4th Great >Grandfather was John H. Paul, in 1825 he married Mary Wise in Craven Co., >N.C. I have much information about John but know nothing about Mary. Can you >forward this message to Mike? I don't have his address. > > thanks > > Steve >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >----------- >Steve Paul, Springfield, MO. spaul@dialnet.net >Searching for: Jeffers - Paul - Land - Cummings - Pogue >Wise - Clayton - Huff - Maxfield - Metcalf - Bradley - Kinney >Grisham - Webb - West - Wisdom > >

John - Glad to see the tribute to the Veterans that Mike posted. I second his feelings. I noticed he mentioned Joseph Paul Wise. This is a long shot but it's worth a try................ My 4th Great Grandfather was John H. Paul, in 1825 he married Mary Wise in Craven Co., N.C. I have much information about John but know nothing about Mary. Can you forward this message to Mike? I don't have his address. thanks Steve - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- Steve Paul, Springfield, MO. spaul@dialnet.net Searching for: Jeffers - Paul - Land - Cummings - Pogue Wise - Clayton - Huff - Maxfield - Metcalf - Bradley - Kinney Grisham - Webb - West - Wisdom

Ceryl, All of my kin after 1820, are descendants of Joseph Wise, who came to what is now Coffee County, Al. However, they are now scattered all over America- from Maine to California and -from Michigan to Florida. Happy searching, Mary Agnes Wise

By any chance do you have any Wise from Winona, Minnesota. Or is most of your research in the south? John Jacob Wise came from Baden, Germany to Attica, New York prior to 1860. He is listed on the 1860 census. He then moved to Utica, Missouri about 1866. Then his family moved to Winona, Minnesota in 1882. There are quite a few Wises in Winona. Thanks, Cheryl > -----Original Message----- > From: mary a wise [SMTP:lenawise@juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 7:55 PM > To: WISE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: WISE, PHILIP 1749B > > I have a Phillip Wise who was born in the late 40s and one of my brothers > was named French Phillip Wise, born in 1920. These are descendants of > Joseph Wise, who came to S.E. Alabama , from Wilkerson, the first part of > 1820s. I published a 350 page book in November 1998, entitled The Wise > Kin Now and Then. I believe there are more Wises in the U.S. than any > other name. > Happy Searching. > Mary Agnes Wise

**************************************************************************** * First of all, HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA! Regardless of how hopelessly spoiled, unknowing, ungrateful, selfish, uninformed, smug, and screwed up the majority of our "Baby Boomers" and "Generation X" may be, God is still shedding his Grace on the United States of America - - from sea to shining sea. HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA, you are beyond awesome! Let's use this day to remember the founding fathers of this country and our veterans . . . for life put them through a hell on earth. They deserve our remembrance, and the perpetual honor and respect from the whole civilized world for their service and sacrifice. I exclaim this to the world to specifically honor and remember my beloved Uncle JOSEPH GODFREY WISE, TSGT, U.S. ARMY, 504th Parachute Regiment, who was killed-in-action in France during the D-Day Invasion - - and of his namesake (and my favorite brother) JOSEPH PAUL WISE, CPO3, USN SEAL, who died after suffering years afterward from serious and crippling wounds received in Viet Nam, SEA. Like so many others of their generation, these two were good people, and they had the strength, morals, values, and true grit of our American ancestors that established and built this country. **************************************************************************** * Kuz'n Mike, I compared your listing against the records in my database and here's my comments: 1. RACHEL BARRY's surname is "BARRY". RACHEL is from a very prominent NC "BARRY" FAMILY - - PLUS one of her relatives was a famous western adventurer and gunfighter ______ BARRY. Have more info. on this family but I have not yet found it in my piles of "stuff" to enter in my FTW database notes. Also, the surname of "BARRY" makes me believe that her son's given name was "BARRY" - - instead of "BERRY," as commonly documented. (see below for more info. on RACHEL) 2. JAMES H. WILKINSON (1824-1900) . . . who married MARTHA MATILDA BREWTON (1830-1896). I have it that this JAMES died 6 Nov 1900. Also, don't really know if his wife's given name(s) was/were MARTHA, MATILDA, or MARTHA MATILDA BREWTON. Anyone out there know for sure? (see below for more info. on JAMES) Mike, which genealogy program are you using? Most of us "kuz'ns" are using Family Tree Maker for Windows (FTW). If you're using FTW, do you want me to send you a "mini" FTW database file on REBECCA WISE and descendants? This way you can get all the notes and references I have in their database records. If you're not using FTW, I can instead create and send you an equivalent "mini" GEDCOM file. Let me known. Have you seen my homepage yet? http://www.mindspring.com/~jfwise Hope this info. helps. Regards to you and yours, Kuz'n JOHN F. WISE 116 W. Vanderbilt Loop Montgomery, AL 36109-3234 (334) 271-5115 EMAIL: mailto:jfwise@mindspring.com HOMPAGE: http://www.mindspring.com/~jfwise ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JOHN F. WISE's NOTES ON RACHEL BARRY (1762-1830): Born 9 Sep 1762, in Isle of Wight, English Province of VA or Carteret Co., English Province of NC. Daughter of the Honorable Justice of the Peace JAMES BUCKNER BARRY RS-NC (c1728-c1788) and his wife MARY MAGDELINE NOBLE (d.1777), of Isle of Wight Co., VA., and Carteret Co., NC. Married (1st) 11 Aug 1783, to BRIDGER JONES Sr. RS-NC (1759-1819), in Carteret, NC. Husband was the son of JAMES JONES (d.1779) and his wife MARY BRIDGER, of Isle of Wight Co., VA; and Onslow Co., NC. Married (2nd) 1820, to RICHARD COOPER RS (1758-1836), in Bulloch Co., GA. Parents of husband are unknown. After this marriage, she moved to her husband's homesite in Tattnall Co., GA. Died 1830, at home on her 2nd husband's plantation, Tattnall Co., GA. Burial place unknown. Mother of RACHEL JONES (1785-1868), who married JOHN WISE (1790-1834), son of WILLIAM WISE RS-SC (c1747-1816) and his wife SARAH MARGARET DENMARK. REFERENCE: BUCKNER BARRY (b.1775) Family Bible, pp. 1-3, and empty space at the end of Book of Maccabee, as found in the Ladson Library, Vadilia, GA., by Carolyn Jarrard, of Bloomingdale, Chatham Co., GA. REFERENCE: Family info. and connections in "Pioneers of Wiregrass Ga.," by Judge Folks Huxford and the Huxford Genealogical Society, Inc., of Homerville, Clinch Co., GA.: Vol 3,pp.157-158; Vol 5,pp.562,581; Vol 6, p.312; Vol 9, p.520-522. Note that information on this family was researched and provided by descendant ELMER ORIS PARKER, of Columbia, SC. REFERENCE: "The Bridger Jones II Family," by Charles Edward Wildes, 1995, Claxton, Tattnall Co., GA., p.1. REFERENCE: Family organization chart, as drawn by TED EVAN LEWIS, of Rockville, Maryland. Received at the JONES Family Reunion, 25-26 Mar 1995. REFERENCE: This family is also being researched by MIKE DURRENCE, Email address: <jmike45@aol.com>. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JOHN F. WISE's NOTES ON JAMES H. WILKINSON JR. (1823-1900): Born 19 Oct 1823, in Bulloch Co., GA. Son of JAMES WILKINSON SR. (1798-1863) and his wife REBECCA WISE JONES (c1787-1855), of Marlborough and Beaufort Dists., SC; and Effingham and Bulloch Cos., GA. Married 14 Jan 1847, to MARTHA MATILDA BREWTON, in Bulloch Co., GA. Wife was the daughter of BENJAMIN BREWTON (1796-1875) and his wife CHARLOTTE MELVINA (MATILDA) BACON (1808-1870), of Screven, Bulloch, and Tattnall Cos., GA. Died 6 Nov 1900, in place unknown. Burial place unknown. Paternal grandson of JOHN WILKINSON SR. and his wife ELIZABETH LEE, of NC; Marlborough Dist., SC; and Bulloch Co., GA. Maternal grandson of WILLIAM WISE RS-SC (c1747-1816) and his wife SARAH MARGARET DENMARK (b.c1792), of NC; Beaufort Co., SC; and Bulloch Co., GA. REFERENCE: Family Group Record, 1992, on the WILLIAM WISE family, as compiled by Mr. ELMER ORIS PARKER, of 5012 Circle Drive, Columbia, SC. REFERENCE: Family info. and connections in "Pioneers of Wiregrass GA," by Judge Folks Huxford and the Huxford Genealogical Society, Inc., of Homerville, Clinch Co, GA: Vol 2, pp.291-292,301-302, and 327; Vol 3, pp.66,419; and Vol 5, pp.512. REFERENCE: "Pioneers of Wiregrass GA" Magazine, Vol XXI, No.2, June 1994, pp.146-147. Information for this article furnished by our cousin and researcher Mr. ELMER ORIS PARKER, of Columbia, SC. REFERENCE: This family is also being researched by MIKE DURRENCE, Email address: <jmike45@aol.com>. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jmike45@aol.com> To: <jfwise@mindspring.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Wise > In a message dated 7/2/99 11:47:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > jfwise@mindspring.com writes: > > > Do you have more details on MATTIE & PEGGIE? > John, > Mattie is down my Father's side...Durrence/Durrance. Peggie is down > my Mother's side McClelland. I can trace both back down my lines but not > Wise. > Nancy Wiilkinson and John H. Durrence are my 2nd Great Grandparents > on my Father's side. I would be interested on your comments concerning the > following outline. > Mike Durrence > > Descendants of William Wise > > 1 William WISE > . 2 Rebecca WISE b: 1787 in Beaufort District, SC d: > Abt. 1865 in Bulloch Co, GA > ..... +Berry JONES b: 19-Nov-1786 d: Abt. 1821 > Father: Bridger JONES, Sr. Mother: Rachel BERRY > .... 3 Margaret JONES > ........ +David WILLIAMS > .... 3 Mary JONES > ........ +Adams JONES > .... 3 Bridger JONES, Jr. > ........ +Susan DENMARK > .... 3 Rachel JONES > ........ +Redding DENMARK > .... 3 John JONES b: 22-Oct-1820 d: Abt. 1868 in Savannah, GA > > ........ +Elizabeth WRIGHT b: 12-Mar-1826 d: 1881 in > Salem Church Cemetery, Liberty Co, GA > . *2nd Husband of Rebecca Wise: > ..... +James WILKINSON, Sr. b: Abt. 1798 in Southern part of > Orangeberg District, SC d: Feb-1863 in Bulloch Co, GA m: 9-Mar-1823 in > Statesboro, GA Father: John WILKINSON Mother: Elizabeth LEE > .... 3 James H. WILKINSON, Jr. b: 1824 d: 1903 > ........ +Matilda BREWTON b: 20-Nov-1830 d: > 13-Oct-1896 Father: Benjamin BREWTON Mother: Charlotte > BACON > .... 3 William R. WILKINSON b: 6-May-1826 d: 31-Aug-1903 > > ........ +Miss MOOR d: Bet. 1856 - 1860 > > .... *2nd Wife of William R. Wilkinson: > > ........ +Mary EASTERLING b: 30-Aug-1828 d: > 27-Feb-1908 > .... 3 Nancy WILKINSON b: 3-Aug-1828 in Tattnall Co, GA d: > 20-Aug-1893 in Tattnall Co, GA > ........ +[1] JohnH. DURRENCE b: 24-Dec-1822 in Tattnall > Co, GA d: 4-Nov-1895 in Tattnall Co, GA Father: Jesse > DURRENCE Mother: Elizabeth SANDS > .... 3 Lavinia "Viney" WILKINSON b: 12-Sep-1829 d: > 18-Jul-1908 > ........ +James ANDERSON b: 12-Oct-1819 d: 29-Mar-1873 > > .... *2nd Husband of Lavinia Wilkinson: > > ........ +[1] JohnH. DURRENCE b: 24-Dec-1822 in Tattnall > Co, GA d: 4-Nov-1895 in Tattnall Co, GA m: 23-Aug-1893 Father: Jesse > DURRENCE Mother: Elizabeth SANDS > .... 3 Henry WILKINSON b: Abt. 1831 d: Aft. 1894 > ........ +Martha SMITH b: 22-Mar-1828 d: 20-Jul-1893 > Father: John SMITH > .... *2nd Wife of Henry Wilkinson: > ........ +Dicy SMITH m: 14-Jan-1884 > Father: John SMITH

I have a Phillip Wise who was born in the late 40s and one of my brothers was named French Phillip Wise, born in 1920. These are descendants of Joseph Wise, who came to S.E. Alabama , from Wilkerson, the first part of 1820s. I published a 350 page book in November 1998, entitled The Wise Kin Now and Then. I believe there are more Wises in the U.S. than any other name. Happy Searching. Mary Agnes Wise

There is a new resource, Classified Ads Boards, that can now be found from a link on the cluster page for our surname. As you know the Cluster page serves as a navigation aid to all resources for our surname housed on RootsWeb. The Cluster page for the WISE surname can be found at: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/w/i/WISE/ You know that advertising (even when it can be helpful in our genealogical research) is generally not allowed on our mailing list and GenConnect boards. In an effort to help genealogists locate genealogical items, or list items being offered for sale, for example, out of print books you might be looking to sell or purchase, RootsWeb has created Classifieds at RootsWeb. These Classified Ad Boards work in the same way the GenConnect boards work and are only to be used for items of a genealogical nature pertaining to the surname shown on the board. These boards provide an outlet to help in our research for items that couldn't be properly listed elsewhere on RootsWeb. Enjoy them and use them to your best advantage!

DOES ANYONE HAVE A PHILIP WISE B 1749 IN THEIR DATA. POSSIBLE FATHER WAS JOHN. AMY

I have a Philip Wise b. 5 July 1848 cape Girardeau Co., MO d. 1929 Piedmont, CA Is this your's? If so please Email me... His family records are needed for the Frederick Wise Family History of Lincoln Co., NC .... Lorena Russcalion@aol.com (by way of Jim Wise <jwise@wvadventures.net>) wrote: DOES ANYONE HAVE A PHILIP WISE B 1749 IN THEIR DATA. POSSIBLE FATHER WAS JOHN. AMY ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

Looking for parents, children, and dates for Mary Wise who married Michael Miller. They were the parents of Jacob Wise Miller who married Leah Gauby in Darke Co. OH about 1867. LINDA

I received the following email about the CALIFORNIA & GOBBLER virus last nite. I suppose the GEN-NEWBIE list is the perfect place for an email hoax to get started again. But I would expect wiser computer users would check them out. THIS IS A HOAX . Jeanette >DO NOT FORWARD THIS WARNING TO ANYONE ELSE > !!!!! If you have already done so, EMAIL THEM AND TELL THEM THIS IS A > "HOAX" !!!!! > > We Listowners at Rootsweb (and elsewhere) have long had a rule that NO > virus warning is to be posted to the Mailing Lists -- just for this VERY > reason. Too many people believe hoax email and become accomplices in > clogging up the internet with worthless warnings. > > DO AS I DID WHEN I RECEIVED THE "VIRUS WARNING". Go to one of the web > sites for anti-virus programs (I went to www.mcafee.com) and check it > out. When I went to the site, neither "WOBBLER" nor "CALIFORNIA" was > listed anywhere in the virus list. Then I went to the "hoax" page. Guess > what?! Yup, it's a genuine HOAX. Below is an exact copy of the page for > "WOBBLER": > > **********(Web Page from McAfee (NAI))********** > > Virus Hoax Center > > McAfee.com : Support > > Wobbler Hoax > > AVERT HOAX Notice!! > > NAI Labs AVERT would like to inform you of a new > email > HOAX. > > This email message is just a HOAX, currently we > know of > no other message that the user will receive > about the > HOAX as the initial email states. AVERT has not > received > any report of a user's hard drive being erased > for opening > the email. > > We are advising users who receive the email to > delete it > and DO NOT pass it on as this is how an email > HOAX > propagates. > > Below is the actual text from the message that > may be > received via email. > > "Thought you might be interested in this > message. If you > receive an email with a file called "California" > do not open > the file. The file contains the "WOBBLER" virus. > > > "This information was announced yesterday > morning by IBM. > The report says that ..."This is a very > dangerous virus, much > worse than "Melissa" and there is NO remedy for > it at this > time. Some very sick individual has succeeded in > using the > reformat function from Norton Utilities causing > it to > completely erase all documents on the hard > drive. It has > been designed to work with Netscape Navigator > and Microsoft > Internet Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM > compatible > computers. This is a new, very malicious virus > and not many > people know about it at this time. > > "Please pass this warning to everyone in your > address book > and share it with all your online friends ASAP > so that the > destruction it can cause may be minimized." > __________________________________ > - This is the end of the email message - > > Again if you receive this email delete the it > and DO NOT pass > it on > > AVERT > A Division of NAI Labs > > **********(End of Web Page from McAfee (NAI))********** > > I know many new users are fooled by these things, and think they are doing > a good deed; but.....they fall into the trap that the originator of the > HOAX intended for them to fall into -- to clog up the net with junk and > then the perpetrators can sit back and laugh at their cleverness. Folks, > it's NOT cleverness nor intelligence, it's just pure old, plain & simple, > BADNESS!!!!! > If you want to put a fancy socially correct name on it, it's "a lack of > social consciousness". > > "D", please don't think I am "getting on you". You just didn't know > better. To tell you the truth, it flashed through my mind to pass it on > to friends of mine. Then Rule Nr. 1 took over: "Pass on NOTHING via > email or the Net/Web until it has been checked out." That has saved my > hide more than once. > > I have a multitude of URL addresses for various Virus/Hoax/Myth web sites, > but you can easily verify ANY new virus (or hoax/myth) by checking with > the McAfee website, www.mcafee.com. > > Regards, > SgtGeorge > George W. Durman > Knoxville, TN > (Listowner of several Mailing Lists at Rootsweb and a PROUD Rootsweb > Donor.) > > **********(Original Message)********** > > > At 12:03 AM 6/26/99 , dholt wrote: > > > >-----Original Message----- > >Date: 25 June 1999 15:17 > >Subject: FW: "California Virus" > >>Subject: "California Virus" > >>Importance: High NOT A HOAX!!! > >>FYI > >>Thought I would pass this along to you. Did not know whether you know > >about it or not. WARNING: If you receive an email with a file called "California", do > not open the file. The file contains the WOBBLER virus. This information > >was announced yesterday morning from IBM; AOL states that this is a very > >>dangerous virus, much worse than "Melissa", and that there is NO remedy > > >for > >>it at this time. Some very sick individual has succeeded in using the > >>reformat function from Norton Utilities causing it to completely erase > >all > >>documents on the hard drive. It has been designed to work with Netscape > >>Navigator and Microsoft Internet Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and > IBM > >>compatible computers. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many > >>people know about it. Pass this warning along to EVERYONE in your > address > >>book and please share it with all your online friends ASAP so that this > >>threat may be stopped. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl and Vickie Weese <cdweese@gwtc.net> To: <WISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 5:19 PM Subject: Fw: Virus alert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Debby Epperly <debepperly@yahoo.com> > To: Geri Ellis-Gourley <n5blj@aol.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 4:24 PM > Subject: Fwd: Virus alert > > --- Ken Gerdes <Ken@Guardianmfg.com> wrote: > > > From: Ken Gerdes <Ken@Guardianmfg.com> > > > Subject: Virus alert > > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:11:58 -0400 > > > To: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Just got this posting ............ > > > > > > Ken Gerdes > > > ken@guardianmfg.com > > > Melbourne, FL > > > > > > ========================

This is a hoax!!! Check it out. It is a hoax.

----- Original Message ----- From: Debby Epperly <debepperly@yahoo.com> To: Geri Ellis-Gourley <n5blj@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: Fwd: Virus alert > > > --- Ken Gerdes <Ken@Guardianmfg.com> wrote: > > From: Ken Gerdes <Ken@Guardianmfg.com> > > Subject: Virus alert > > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:11:58 -0400 > > To: GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Just got this posting ............ > > > > Ken Gerdes > > ken@guardianmfg.com > > Melbourne, FL > > > > ======================== > > > > If you receive an email with a file called > > California, do not open the > > file. > > > > The file contains WOBBLER virus. > > > > WARNING > > This information was announced yesterday morning > > from IBM; AOL states > > that this is a very dangerous virus, much worse > > than "Melissa", and > > that there is NO remedy for it at this time. Some > > very sick individual > > has succeeded in using the reformat function from > > Norton Utilities > > causing it to completely erase all documents on > > the hard drive. It has > > been > > designed to work with Netscape Navigator and > > Microsoft Internet > > Explorer. It destroys Macintosh and IBM compatible > > computers. > > > > This is a new, very malicious virus and not many > > people know about it. > > Pass this warning along to EVERYONE in your address > > book and please > > share it with all your online friends ASAP so that > > this threat may be > > stopped. > > Please practice cautionary measures and tell anyone > > that may have access to > > your computer. > > > > > > ==== GEN-NEWBIE Mailing List ==== > > Your donations to RootsWeb makes GEN-NEWBIE > > possible. > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier > > Park, CA 93222 > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > > > > > === > > Debby > Pittsburg, Kansas, USA > Leolady@cpol.net > DebEpperly@yahoo.com > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/1562/ > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >

Hello Wise Rootsweb List Members: I am not a subscriber but I have discovered an Elizabeth Wise in my Groover search and hope someone on your list can help me. Elizabeth Wise married Solomon Groover c. 1798, probably in Georgia. One of their children was William W. Groover, born 1809 in Bulloch County, Ga. I am searching for information about his 3 wives and hope that someone researching Elizabeth Wise Groover might have a profile of William and his families. Most of his adult life was probably spent in Limestone/Freestone County, Texas and I feel his 2nd and 3rd wives were from this area. His first wife was Elizabeth Bird Heard of Ga., his 2nd was supposedly a Rebecca Busby (this may or may not be her maiden name) and his 3rd wife, I feel, would be my unknown gg grandmother Banks. If anyone can help me, please contact me. Paula Dunklin

Lisa, Thanks for the e-mail, the names don't ring a bell, but i'm still searching. I'll keep them in mind and let you know if I find anything. Thanks again, Joe

JWise89025@aol.com wrote: > > Lisa, > Thanks for the e-mail, the names don't ring a bell, but i'm still searching. > I'll keep them in mind and let you know if I find anything. > Thanks again, > Joe Joe, I am at a loss for my ancestors, also. I'll just tell you my story and see what you think. My great great grandfather was Thomas Wise b. about 1824, he was in the Civil War and in his papers he says he was born in Bedford County, Tennessee, but in another place there is Hardeman County, Tennessee. He had a brother William who was a preacher and went to Texas, in his papers he says both his grandfathers fought for the war of the rebellion. His father was Enoch G. Wise and his mother Elizabeth Barrett. William says his father (Enoch) was a pioneer settler of Tennessee, but came from the Carolina's. They left Tennessee and went to Randolph County, Illinois, where another son, Robert Ray Wise was born. Enoch is on the 1840 Census for Randolph County, Illinois, but apparently some of the familiy moved to Missouri and Arkansas. Enoch and Elizabeth are on the 1850 Carroll County, Arkansas census. By 1860 Enoch was not with the family. 1859, Robert Ray Wise married Cleopatra Pyle in Dade County, Missouri. They never had any children, and lived the rest of their lives in Newton County, Missouri. My Thomas Wise married Nancy Standlee and stayed in Carroll County, Arkansas. I also believe there was another son, Stephen Wise, but have lost him somewhere between Arkansas and Missouri. Like you I am not giving up. I went to Shelbyville, Tennessee trying to find something/anything that would link my Wise family to the Henry Wise family and just could not do it. Anything ring a bell. Janet Wise Eiskina

In a message dated 6/18/99 11:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jfwise@mindspring.com writes: << If we can date that "Wise Forks" name it may confirm that there were people with the WISE surname in that 1720-1750 time frame and place. >> John, here are some of the following tidbits of information about "Wise Communities" in NC from The North Carolina Gazetteer a Dictionary of Tar Heel Places by William S. Powell, 1968, The University of North Carolina Press at Chapel Hill. Wise, community in n Warren County between Malones Creek and Sauls Creek. Alt. 392. Settled in 1890s and named for Henry Wise, local resident. A post office was est. there in 1891 but was discontinued in 1951. (Page 540) Wise Branch, rises in sw Buncombe County and flows ne into Bill Moore Creek. (Page 540) Wise Forks, community in nw Jones County. Named for local family. Known as Wise's Crossroads in 1863 when a Civil War engagement took place here on April 28. The battle is referred to variously as Wise's Crossroads, Dover Crossroads, and First Gum Swamp. See also Gum Swamp. (Page 540) Wise Knob, sw Buncombe County near the headwaters of Bill Moore Creek. (Page 540) Wiseman's View, nw Burke County, overlook for Linville Gorge. Named for William Wiseman, early settler who came from London in the 18th century. (Page 540) Wise's Crossroads, See Gum Swamp; Wise Forks. (Page 540) Gum Swamp rises in nw Jones County, w of the town of Dover, and flows nw into Craven County where it enters Tracey Swamp. Formerly both were known as Gum Swamp. Two Civil War engagements took place on Gum Swamp. One on April 23 and the other on May 22, 1863. The first engagement is called by various names - Wise's Crossroads, Dover Crossroads, and First Gum Swamp. (Page 208-209) "Scotland" could have been an error of interpretion after 1899 by those not familiar with the geography of North Carolina and inferring it to be the country of Scotland rather that Scotland County, North Carolina. Al

Joe, don't give up, I too know how hard it is. But I think in time you will find a connection with our Wise family. Could be cousins, uncle, etc. If I find anything out, I will contact you. Do you belong to the Wise list? Have a good weekend Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: <JWise89025@aol.com> To: <WISE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 1999 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Wise ot Shelbyville TN > Thank you very much for the e-mail, however thats not my Wise's. This is real > hard to trace due to lack of info. I olny found one reference to them at the > Nation Archives in Washington, and it was of E.E. Wise'e brother Ray in a > census file. Can't seem to find anything about them, but I refuse to give up. > Thanks again, Joe Wise > jwise89025@aol.com > >

I'm trying to find the Wise family of Knoxville TN. I only have as far back as my paternal grandparents, Leonard Wise and Josephine (Jenkins) Wise. There are also relatives named Beulah and Andy, but I'm not sure where they fit in the family. There is also a connection (as cousins) to the Ruzich family. Many thanks, Lisa