Dear Helen, I have been looking for info on Benson Eighmy, son of Jarvis and Hannah Broughton Eighmy. I wonder if it was a post from me? He married a family member, Martha Woodford. Sincerely, Cheryl Larson Eden Prairie MN 612-937-9309 Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:36:14 -0700 From: Helen Graves <hgraves@psln.com> To: WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com Did someone recently post a query regarding the Eighmey's who settled in Sauk Co in 1850? I have lost the email. William DuBois (1815 NY-1871 WI) lived in Saratoga Co., NY, with his cousin Koert DuBois, who raised William after his mother died ca 1823. William DuBois married Cynthia EIGHMEY on 20 Feb 1839 in Milton, Saratoga Co., NY. Between 1839 and May 1850, they lived in Saratoga Co. and also across the river in Washington Co., NY (towns of Cambridge and Easton). In May 1850 William DuBois, his brother Henry DuBois, and Jarvis EIGHMEY (Cynthia's brother) left the Saratoga Co -Washington Co NY area with their wives and children and traveled to Sauk Co., where they settled. That's about all I know of the Eighmey surname in Sauk Co and in NY as I have not researched that family. I assume they lived in Saratoga Co. NY, perhaps near Milton. -- Helen Graves Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 12:36:14 -0700 From: Helen Graves <hgraves@psln.com> To: WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com

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All the death records are at the Sauk County Register of Deeds office. From experience, to order one, you must have the date of death and location. It is helpful if you include parents' names, maiden name (if applicable), and spouse (if applicable). They will not research for you. They will not look beyond the obvious either (possible spelling differences, a couple days or years off on the date) They are extremely busy and are not staffed to check further. Those people get referred to me for research. Death certificates cost $7.00 per document. The Register of Deeds office is at 505 Broadway, Baraboo, Wi 53913. If dates, etc are unknown, our Society can pull the information for you. We charge $15.00 per hour and will glean all the information off the records you request. Then if you decide to get the actual documents, you have all the information that was on them. We will also do a total search on the surname we are given if requested. That mean we will pull every name for birth, death, and marriage and write down the source and information from the source. It's an option if you don't already have some of the answers. We can pull a lot of information in an hour! Good luck! Kathy Waddell, Archivist Sauk County Historical Society -----Original Message----- From: The Anderson-Murre Family <andermurreclan@usfamily.net> To: WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com <WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:28 PM Subject: [WISAUK] Death records >Kathy (or anyone), >Where would I order Sauk county death records ? I need records for years >1972,1936,and 1941.Do I write to the Historical Society or the courthouse ? >and if it is the Historical Society, how much does it cost for one record ? >Thanks, >Heather Anderson-Murre > > >==== WISAUK Mailing List ==== >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk > >

Kathy (or anyone), Where would I order Sauk county death records ? I need records for years 1972,1936,and 1941.Do I write to the Historical Society or the courthouse ? and if it is the Historical Society, how much does it cost for one record ? Thanks, Heather Anderson-Murre

Naturalization papers are not located at the Sauk County Courthouse. You must go through the State Historical Society. Kathy Waddell, Archivist Sauk County Historical Society -----Original Message----- From: Sue Clover <sclover@alaska.com> To: WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com <WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 11:38 AM Subject: [WISAUK] Getting court records >Hi, > >I have exact dates for my great-greatgrandfather's naturalization and his >brother-in-law's in Sauk county, 1854 and 1877. Is it better to write to >the Sauk Co. courthouse to get records or go through the Wisconsin State >Historical Library Archives. The rates for the State Historical Library >seem fairly high for us out-of-state people although their collection looks >great! > >Thanks > >Sue > > > >==== WISAUK Mailing List ==== >http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk > >

Hi, I have exact dates for my great-greatgrandfather's naturalization and his brother-in-law's in Sauk county, 1854 and 1877. Is it better to write to the Sauk Co. courthouse to get records or go through the Wisconsin State Historical Library Archives. The rates for the State Historical Library seem fairly high for us out-of-state people although their collection looks great! Thanks Sue

Hi everyone! The Wi surname locator is now up and running. Please stop by and check it out. http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/WI_index.html and click on the Wi surname locator button. THANKS! -- Cindy Johnson *American Local History Network - WI* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/WI_index.html *My Wi. Family History Page* http://www.ameritech.net/users/cindyjohnson1/Family_history.htm *WI Census Data* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/censusindex.html *Saxonia House Restoration Project* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/saxoniahouse.html

I stand corrected: I did some heavy searching and couldn't find a cut and dry answer to the question of copyrights with obituaries. So I did the next best thing, I talked to an attorney! <g> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To be extra safe regarding copyright material, only use pre 1923 material unless you have permission from the author/owner. This is what a copyright attorney advised me. This goes for art, pictures, text and even music. You may quote the original, crediting the author. The recent changes in the law do not affect items already in public domain (pre 1923). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Cindy Johnson *American Local History Network - WI* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/WI_index.html *My Wi. Family History Page* http://www.ameritech.net/users/cindyjohnson1/Family_history.htm *WI Census Data* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/censusindex.html *Saxonia House Restoration Project* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/saxoniahouse.html

Colleen and Terry, According to the U.S. Copyright Office, neither Murray nor Cindy nor the USGenWeb is correct. Murray and the USGenWeb are citing the law before it was changed in 1992. You may wish to check out Copyright Basics at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ See, in particular, pp.5-6. Hope this helps, Kathy Lenerz

Murry & Cindy -- This is what I mean -- you have given me two different answers to my question regarding obituaries. Can anyone give me a cut and dried answer? Are obituaries considered "public record" or not. And, if there is no by-line (as to who wrote it) -- can a newspaper claim the obit as theirs? Cindy -- I believe that you are wrong with your 99 year copyright information. Murry is correct when he refers to the 75 year copyright limit (that I do know). Help! Regards, Colleen

Colleen, I don't think there is a reporter that does the obits. From my understanding, the Funeral Home gets the pertinent info from family members and submits it to the paper so that friends of the deceased are made aware of his/her death and can attend the viewing/funeral service. And the obituary notice is part of the funeral bill. I don't think there is a problem at all with copyright in this instance. Historical Societies are in big trouble if so. Sue

Copyright is now 99 years. Anything previous to 1900 can be reprinted no problem. Others you have to obtain permission from the original publisher. -- Cindy Johnson *American Local History Network - WI* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/WI_index.html *My Wi. Family History Page* http://www.ameritech.net/users/cindyjohnson1/Family_history.htm *WI Census Data* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/censusindex.html *Saxonia House Restoration Project* http://www.usgennet.org/~alhnwius/saxoniahouse.html

Following is what is printed on GenWeb page previously refered to: The 4 Golden Rules of Copyright 1. Materials older than 1923 are absolutely safe. 2. Relaying FACTS is OK (This does not mean copying) 3. If the use of material created by someone else diminishes the market value of that person's work, then the copyright has been violated. 4. Getting written (not email) permission from the author/publisher is the surest way to ensure that you are not violating copyright law. I do not know who is right, GenWeb or Cindy? Terry Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: **Cindy Johnson** <cindyjohnson1@ameritech.net> To: <WISAUK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISAUK] Copyright > Copyright is now 99 years. Anything previous to 1900 can be reprinted no problem. Others you > have to obtain permission from the original publisher. > -- > Cindy Johnson

Hi, Maybe I can assist. Copyrights were for a period of something like 26 or 49 years (I have actually forgotten the first number of years, but it doesn't really apply in this case.) After this initial period the owner of the copyright was expected to renew it, and that renewal was for the balance of years adding up to the current 75 years for a copyright. Now then, if someone re-publishes a work out of copyright, then the typesetting, and arrangment, and style is newly copyrighted by that person, but not the material. Now, anything you write is copyrighted anyway, even if you do not send a copy to the library of congress. So now, if the work you are copying is older than 75 years, you can copy it, republish it, or stick it on a billboard if you like. If it is less than 50 years ago, then you must seek out the original copyright holder and ascertain whether it was renewed or not. Otherwise you will need to assume that it was renewed. There are several other laws as well as international , and a couple years that the laws were in 'limbo' in I think 1971 and 72, but for your question, I think this will suffice. Hope that helps. Fair use would be to copy a small portion, paragraph or sentences and use them for discussion or critique. Best Regards, Murray On 23 Sep 99, at 23:26, Colleen Boose wrote: > Terry -- > > I have a couple of questions for you regarding copyright. I have e-mailed > the US GenWeb site twice requesting information but have never received a > response from them. > > Question -- Obituaries that have appeared in newspapers after 1923. Are > they considered to be in the "public record" domain -- or would there be a > copyright infringement regarding the newspaper -- even tho the obituary > does not have a by-line and was not written as a "book" or an > "article"???? > > I have received different answers to my question from three different > co-ordinators of various County GenWeb sites. Your input would be > appreciated. > > Regards, > Colleen > Hager City, WI > > > > ==== WISAUK Mailing List ==== > http://www.rootsweb.com/~wisauk >

Terry -- I have a couple of questions for you regarding copyright. I have e-mailed the US GenWeb site twice requesting information but have never received a response from them. Question -- Obituaries that have appeared in newspapers after 1923. Are they considered to be in the "public record" domain -- or would there be a copyright infringement regarding the newspaper -- even tho the obituary does not have a by-line and was not written as a "book" or an "article"???? I have received different answers to my question from three different co-ordinators of various County GenWeb sites. Your input would be appreciated. Regards, Colleen Hager City, WI

Is there a similar book on cemetery inscriptions for Westfield Twp? I have Horstmann's, Hasz's, Ribbke's, Pepper's and others. Gary Schepp

After seeing some of what appears to be direct quotes from a cemetary book I thought I'd add this reminder about respectings other peoples copyrights. The USGenWeb Project offers four "golden rules of copyright" at : <http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html> Terry Thompson, Listkeeper, WIJUNEAU

Thanks a million; I didn't have that info. Dan

Hello Dan and all: The Barringers that are listed in Volume are all in Pleasant Valley Cemetery; Ebenezer Cemetery; Ebenezer Valley Cemetery; Ebenezer Church Cemetery (many names for one cemetery) Page 32 - Emeret H. Barringer d. 2/17/1862 age 1 month son of John and L.H. (stone flat on ground) Ainton Barringer (stone flat on ground) Page 34 Freddy Barringer d. 2/7/1873 7 months 7 days son of F. and C. Page 37 Margaret Shale nee Barringer October 28, 1825 - April 19, 1898 72 years 5 months 22 days her husband: Christian Shale November 13, 1817 - April 19, 1889 71 years 5 months 6 days Charles H. Shale April 27, 1864 - February 15, 1879 15 years 9 months - son of C and M Hope this helps Ross Walker Milwaukee

Dear Kathy, Is vol. 7 of the Sauk Co. Cemetaries (Freedom and Excelsior Twp.s) indexed? I'm looking for Baringer's. Thanks, Dan