Okie Dokie...then the line they had about him being prince in 1438 was not him or a typo in the doc's.... that is what I was wanting to be sure about. Because I was looking at that arms they have for him and the verbiage that was with it... Thanks. Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj@his.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Owen Gwynedd dates?? > Becky, > Whose? Owen Gwynedd? Don't have his birth year but he d.1169, after a reign of 33 yrs. > > Myles Johnson > > ******************************************************* > > The Thill Group Inc wrote: > > > > Dear Myles, > > And his birth and death? > > Cuz B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj@his.com> > > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 1:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [WINN] Owen Gwynedd dates?? > > > > > Hi Becky, > > > This 'Wynn of Gwydyr co, Carnarvon)' description can be found, word for > > word, in Sir > > > Bernard Burke's "The General Armory of Eng., Scot., Ire., & Wales" > > (1884). These are the > > > arms & crest reserved for the first sons of all the generations desc. in a > > straightline > > > from Owen Gwynedd. The Baronetcy is the one granted Sir John Wynne and > > that expired with > > > the death of his grandson, John Wynne, who bequeathed his estate to Ssir > > Watkin Williams > > > (related thru his mother, Jane Thelwell) who then adopted the surname > > 'Wynn'. Sir W.Wm.s > > > Wynne lived at Wattstay, and renamed it 'Wynstay'. > > > > > > Myles Johnson > > > > > > ************************************************************ > > > The Thill Group Inc wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Myles or someone..... > > > > Owen Gwynedd that they are speaking of below [in *** marks].... was that > > the > > > > one that was born abt 1100 and died December 1169..... or not... someone > > > > noted that he was prince in 1438 so that doesn't work.... can't find my > > > > notes can someone help? > > > > *** > > > > Wynn of Gwydyr, co. Carnarvon, Wales > > > > > > > > NOTE:..Baronet, extinct 1719. Descended through JOHN WYNN AP MEREDITH, > > of > > > > Gwydyr, and RODERICK, Lord of Anglesey, from OWEN GWYNEDD, Prince of > > North > > > > Wales. > > > > **** > > > > > > > > Cause one of the two are the one that used the following Arms... > > > > The heraldic blazon: > > > > Arms: Vert, three eagles displayed in fess. > > > > Crest: An eagle displayed. > > > > Arms description: On a green background, there are three gold eagles > > > > arranged in a horizontal line > > > > > > > > ttg-inc@comcast.net > > > > http://www.ttg-inc.net > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ > > > > > > > >