How about this explanation... The area that the Wynn/Gwynn family came from is called Gwynedd (pronounced wyneth...the "g" is almost silent). Gwynedd roughly means the land of white or area of white. Those from Gwynedd were eventually called Gwynne and since the G is silent, it was later written Wynne. Just a thought... -----Original Message----- From: The Thill Group Inc [mailto:ttg-inc@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:14 PM To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WINN] Fw: Gwynn Wynne etc...? Below find Roy's second e-mail with lots of history and info!! Again welcome Roy to our group. Cuz Becky ttg-inc@attbi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: Gwynn Wynne etc...? Hi Becky, Speedy return, Thankyou. You can put me down for both ...I can always change later. Right now all I wish is to somehow tie in with the American Wynne/Gwynn genealogy. I have read the book called ''The House of Gwydir ' , Have you read it?. It is one of the explanations of the various Gwynn / Wynne spellings. Apparently the lord of the house of Gwydir married and had some kids and they were surnamed Gwynn....after several years his wife died and he married his cousin....the resulting children were named Wynne. Hense...the difference in name... I do not know how authentic this book is but supplies one answer. Another article I have read is the name Gwynn and where it originated. Apparently in the long ago when France and England were at war there were a group of Flemish ''Flanders' who were being persecuted by the ruling party. They fled to England with the understanding that they were to gaurd the welsh coast from France. Hense the groupings of the surname Gwynn / Wynne along the Aberystwyth coast past Cardigan and onto St Davids and into Carmathon. The people who came as immigrants were white skinned with blue eyes and became known as the fair people or GWYNN / WYNNE. Another great tale but not ever proved. It is my beleif that many Babtist and Quaker welsh fled from the mid and eastern areas of wales and into Penn. and other areas. I live in Canada where my father immigrated in 1928. His genealogy goes back 9 generations to a Daniel Gwynn of llandissiloo Wales into London , Birmingham , Malvern and Canada. I have the wills for all generations except one family and of course...Daniel of llandissilio. In Penn there should be records of Immigrants and where they lived. Any info on this? The name Gwynn as in Tony Gwynn ... the ball player...was supposed to have been from a slave family somewhere on Gwynns Island. When the slaves were freed the people merely took the last name of the owners...another not easily proven statement but interesting. Yes put me on both lists. Maybe somewhere someone will fit the square hole or maybe I,ll fit their round one. thanks, Roy Gwynn ______________________________