hi martha ! got your reply to my e-mail. what I have so far is : morys wynne b:1529 d:1580 m: (3rd wife) bef 1567 katheryn tydr of berain. she was the dau of tudor the son of robert vychan & jane velville katheryn was b: 1534 d:1591. the children I have for them are : edward, jane/joan, robert, morris. if I can get my contacts in the uk to work I might be able to prove that this robert could be our mayor. our robert was born in 1563 so the time frame is correct. we will see what I can come up up with and keep you posted. BYE HERB