Hi Barbara, Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and can't help with your question. But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the family of Col. Robert Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever been linked to that line at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. Good luck. Myles Johnson ************************************************* Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > > Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > > Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as 1728. > > Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > > Thanks! Barb > (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Myles Johnson > To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > > Hi, > I can't help responding to this. > > This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof that the John Winn recorded > as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in only three other > Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. This John was almost > certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him connected to any family at all. > The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to 'explain' another guess -- > that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source notes (last page). Miner > is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the LDS Library -- in undoc > group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The reader is referred to Denis > Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > > Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no doc that ties any of them to > either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who appear in early Va. > records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been assigned by careless writers > to John & Eliz. > > It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to actually locate the parents > of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, please consider doing so. > Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, named her in his will as > still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older brothers, she was prob. still > a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is made further unlikely > because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is not even any evidence > that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as sons to John Winn seem to > have started life with some property or means, but it could not have come from John. > > The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been no other apparent > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor family was a fairly > successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other possible parents for the Minor > Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > > Myles Johnson > > Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > > > > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth Minor's children as outlined below? > > > > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland Co., VA. She married > > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > > > > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > > > > Thanks so much, Barb > > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in ?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in that time frame Amelia was still Prince George).

Myles; There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" Jack >Hi Barbara, >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and >can't help with your >question. > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the >family of Col. Robert >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever >been linked to that line >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > >Good luck. > >Myles Johnson > >************************************************* > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: >> >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! >> >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as >>1728. >> >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). >> >> Thanks! Barb >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Myles Johnson >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn >> >> Hi, >> I can't help responding to this. >> >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof >>that the John Winn recorded >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in >>only three other >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. >>This John was almost >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him >>connected to any family at all. >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to >>'explain' another guess -- >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source >>notes (last page). Miner >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the >>LDS Library -- in undoc >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The >>reader is referred to Denis >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] >> >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no >>doc that ties any of them to >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who >>appear in early Va. >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been >>assigned by careless writers >> to John & Eliz. >> >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to >>actually locate the parents >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, >>please consider doing so. >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, >>named her in his will as >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older >>brothers, she was prob. still >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is >>made further unlikely >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is >>not even any evidence >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as >>sons to John Winn seem to >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not >>have come from John. >> >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been >>no other apparent > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor >family was a fairly >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other >>possible parents for the Minor >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: >> > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth >>Minor's children as outlined below? >> > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland >>Co., VA. She married >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. >> > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." >> > >> > Thanks so much, Barb >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George).

Myles, Could you list some of the publications for Co. Robert Wynn? Marilyn