Myles, There is a excellent, well written and updated account of the Wynne and Allied Families from Early Virginia Counties of Charles City and Prince George. The book is titled Winn - Daniel & His Nine Sons, Second Edition, Volume I. It has been thoroughly researched, rewritten and compiled by Warner (Marty) Winn, Stephanie Winn Miller, Nancy Weber Winn and the late Naomi Giles Chadwick using microfilm from the Library of Virginia and two family bibles among other various source records. Their book has been extensively and exhaustively researched with all known land, probate, marriage records available not only in Charles City County and Prince George but also in Lunenburg and Amelia Counties. It is 436 pages and fully indexed. They present a good analysis of the Robert Wynne line and how that line intermingles with the Daniel Winn line of Southside Virginia. The took can be ordered from www.winndata.com. Since I descend from James Winn, son of Daniel Winn, I was extremely interested in the fact that they were so thorough. After reading the book, you will applaud their "devotion" to details. Patricia Divjak James Winn Descendant > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Myles Johnson) > 2. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Brian Winn) > 3. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Randy) > 4. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Robert L. Wynne) > 5. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Robert L. Wynne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:37:26 -0500 > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B14F008C9D06422BA8A9B739760EC95C@DCL5YCB1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Marilyn, > Thanks for the compliment of thinking that I am a fount of Wynne info. In > fact, Larry (Robert Wynne) is right: he is the one who has searched > relentlessly for some 15 yrs now and become the go-to-guy for in-depth > research on Wynnes. > > I do keep score on the Wynne desc. of John Wynne of York co. (d. 1772) and > have kept tabs on these other Wynne line is Va. mainly to be able to keep > the various desc. lines clear. I have not tried to document other lines than > my own but keep hoping that some of these other Va. Winn/Wynne lines will > take the time to produce good, updated, documented accounts of their lines. > > The Robert Wynne of Canterbury, Eng., and Charles City Co., Va., is pretty > well known but even that line could use a good, updated written account. The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of ROBERT CAPPS > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:41 PM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse > I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). > I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he > was in VA.) > > Thanks for keeping everything straight. > > Marilyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:34:00 -0800 > From: "Brian Winn" <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006801ca6a07$a51829e0$ef487da0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Myles: > > What does your " Frederick Boelt" reference refer to? > > Thanks > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Myles Johnson > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Hi Marilyn, > Thanks for the compliment of thinking that I am a fount of Wynne info. In > fact, Larry (Robert Wynne) is right: he is the one who has searched > relentlessly for some 15 yrs now and become the go-to-guy for in-depth > research on Wynnes. > > I do keep score on the Wynne desc. of John Wynne of York co. (d. 1772) and > have kept tabs on these other Wynne line is Va. mainly to be able to keep > the various desc. lines clear. I have not tried to document other lines than > my own but keep hoping that some of these other Va. Winn/Wynne lines will > take the time to produce good, updated, documented accounts of their lines. > > The Robert Wynne of Canterbury, Eng., and Charles City Co., Va., is pretty > well known but even that line could use a good, updated written account. The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of ROBERT CAPPS > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:41 PM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse > I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). > I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he > was in VA.) > > Thanks for keeping everything straight. > > Marilyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:58:25 -0800 > From: "Randy" <rsmart@wavecable.com> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1F5168BFA7FA4E958DFEF38465E28278@WORKSTATION> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=onepage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:26:30 -0800 > From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>, <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D8F5B0DA44149378769B27C24E8A690@RobertWynne> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Randy- The best possible history of the Gwydir family is "The Wynn Family of > Gwydir Origins Growth & Development c. 1490-1674 by Prof. J. Gwynfor Jones, > pub. 1995. Jones (among many other Wynn related material) is also the author > of the most recent publication of "The History of the Wynn Family of Gwydir" > by Sir John Wynn which follows with inclusion of a line by line > interpretation of the original text along with a complete Gwydir pedigree > chart for three descents from Royal/Noble Welsh chieftains. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:44:00 -0800 > From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>, <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F4674A2EBD4D429A9115DAD25DC89A35@RobertWynne> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Randy- I'm not sure if you are researching Gwynne or Wynn(e). There is a big > difference in the history behind each spelling of the surname (see > Morgan-"Welsh Surnames" and P.H. Reaney-"A Dictionary of English Surnames". > > The Gwydir Wynn's never spelled their surname "Gwynne". This spelling of the > surname Gwynne is almost always associated with a South Wales borderland's > origin. The Gwydir Wynn spelling convention can be confirmed by a review of > the Gwydir usage of the surname Wyn - Wynn in the "Calendar of Wynn Papers > 1515-1690" reprinted by John Ballenger, pub. 1926. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WINN list administrator, send an email to > WINN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WINN mailing list, send an email to WINN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WINN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 > ************************************

Hi Patricia, Thanks for reminding me of this recent addition to the lore, and esp. fr the detailed explanation of its wide scope. I have ordered a copy, as it does seem to be a full account of the Robert Wynne and apparently a good bit more. It's labeled "Volume I" but I could not find any clue as to whether there is or will be a "Vol. II", etc. Do you know? Myles Johnson ***************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Divjak Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:31 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] WINN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 Myles, There is a excellent, well written and updated account of the Wynne and Allied Families from Early Virginia Counties of Charles City and Prince George. The book is titled Winn - Daniel & His Nine Sons, Second Edition, Volume I. It has been thoroughly researched, rewritten and compiled by Warner (Marty) Winn, Stephanie Winn Miller, Nancy Weber Winn and the late Naomi Giles Chadwick using microfilm from the Library of Virginia and two family bibles among other various source records. Their book has been extensively and exhaustively researched with all known land, probate, marriage records available not only in Charles City County and Prince George but also in Lunenburg and Amelia Counties. It is 436 pages and fully indexed. They present a good analysis of the Robert Wynne line and how that line intermingles with the Daniel Winn line of Southside Virginia. The took can be ordered from www.winndata.com. y of the message ...