Randy- The best possible history of the Gwydir family is "The Wynn Family of Gwydir Origins Growth & Development c. 1490-1674 by Prof. J. Gwynfor Jones, pub. 1995. Jones (among many other Wynn related material) is also the author of the most recent publication of "The History of the Wynn Family of Gwydir" by Sir John Wynn which follows with inclusion of a line by line interpretation of the original text along with a complete Gwydir pedigree chart for three descents from Royal/Noble Welsh chieftains. -Larry -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Myles, I agree. After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I have a propensity to sort things out. This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded and organized. With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the best family history possible considering the information available at this point. Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available online at: http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on epage&q=&f=false) shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague and have noted my Winn History as such. Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am banking on reason. ;-) Randy C. Smart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> To: <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about > his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message