Jack, Thank you for your response and the information. I will analyze what you have provided and see if it helps. Yes, my site is in limbo and I'm not sure where my line goes right now as I'm beginning to question so much of what I was given. But, isn't that an essential attitude under the circumstances? Hopefully, I can at least tighten up my own direct ancestors before looking to tie them to Wales. I've seen enough mistakes and the propagation of bad info to become really sensitive to the quality of information. In order to use 4 Wynns Newsletters as sources, I'd like to know who wrote it, when, and what sources were used, and how to direct others to it. Otherwise, it is really a source? I hope to hear from you from time to time along my course this winter to take advantage of your insights in this area. Thanks, Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwynn" <jwynn@mindspring.com> To: "Randy" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>; <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation? > Randy; > > I have an original copy of Sir John Wynn's book. Also have a book on > Hugh Wynne. Once you can prove descent from royalty (any one > royal) the work has usually been done. I'll include a couple of > pages from "The 4 Wynns Newsletters" on the subjects you have broached. > > I tried to determine your line from the website but the link fails. > > Elizabeth Minor: > (5) > > Editor: > I belive the basic for the John Winn and Elizabeth Minor marriage is > that it was known that John Winn married one Elizabeth Minor. This > comes from an article title, "JOHN MINOR OF WESTMORELAND COUNTY > VIRGINIA." No author given. this states in part, "It is only known > that John Winn m.a Elizabeth Minor and because Elizabeth daughter of > John Minor (Will of 1698) was the only Elizabeth Minor in that area > at that time, she is belived to be the one." This genealogy begins by > saying''John Minor b. in England, belived to be son of Ann nd Harry > Mynors of Garway, England. Immigrated to VA. prior to 1627 with his > widowed mother,and sister, Jane Kidwalider wife of John Kidwalider." > THE COMPLETE BOOK OF EMIGRANTS, by Peter Coldham, which covers the > period between 1607-1660 of Va., does not list any Minor, any > spelling having came to Va. during that period, neither does it list > a Jane and John Kidwalider. It does list on page 465 a Jane and John > Kidwillar. Dated 1 Aug 1660. ''The following bound to John Woory, > merchant to serve in Nevis, John Kidwillar, yeoman for 5 years. Jane > Kidwillar, spinster for 5 years."It is difficult to belive had the > Minors been in Va. prior to 1627 that they would have not showed up > in some of the many records covered in this book. Richard Winns > children, son of John Winn and Elizabeth Minor, were born in > Middlesex County. My point is, doesn't it seem possible that > Elizabeth Minor could have been the daughter of many of the other > Minors in that area of Middlesex? There was a family of Minors who > settled there ca 1673. > Ref: > John B Minor, THE MINOR FAMILY OF VIRGINIA, (1923) > In his preface he states,"In an old Bible which belonged to my father > Dr. Charles Minor, and which is now in my possession, he wrote the > following memorandum in 1853". (And here I will not take word for > word just the high points.) "Dr. Charles Minor and all his kindred > are descend from a Dutchman named Doodes Minor who was admitted to > full citizenship in 1673 by an act of Assembly found in "Hennings > Statutes at Large." v.1 308. Along with four other compatriots > Maindort Doodes and his son Doodes Minor were Naturalized by an act > of a Grand Assembly, holden in James City the 12 Sept. 1673. They > were to have all rights and privileges including those of free > traffique and trading that were allowed to any natural b. Englishman > of the Colony. Maindort Doodes made his will 1677 signed his name > Maindort Doodes and named his son as Doodes Minor. There are some > who belive Doodes Minor was an Englishman, but if so why should he be > naturalized when coming to an English colony as Virginia was at that > time? Maindort Doodes, a Dutch Sea Captain. His will was sealed with > his signet ring bearing the impress of a Dutch Ship of the 17th > Century. Doodes Minor, who married Elizabeth Cocke, settled on the > Rappahannock and its waters in County of tfiddlesex. He had four > sons, Garret Minor, Minor Minor, John Minor, and Peter Minor. > Doodes son Peter was apprenticed by his mother Mrs. Elizabeth Minor > to a Boston ship Capt John Phillips in 1677. He afterwards ran away > from his Master and never came home. A letter from him to his brother > Garret, written at Rotterdam, was in possesssion, I think of the > second Garret's son Samuel 0. Minor. I once made a copy of this > letter which was burned by a kinswoman. dislikinq the humble life in > which it exhibited her collateral Ancestors. This book traces the > desc. of Garrett Minor. > > source: The 4 Wynns Newsletters; Sep 1988 Vol 3, #1, pg 5 > > +++++++++++++++++ > > Sir John Wynn: > > Gen 13: > Sir John Wynn, b. 1553, died 1627, son of Morris Wynn. > m. Sydney Gerard of Ireland. > Issue: 1. John Wynn, died 1613 before father. > m. Margaret dau. of Thomas Cave. > Left no issue. > 2. Richard Wynn, b. 1588, d. 1649, bur. at Wimbledon. > Left no issue. > 3. Robert Wynn, b. 1593, d. 1617, Priest. > Left no issue. > 4. Thomas Wynn, died an infant. > 5. Ellis Wynn, b. ~599, d. 1619. > Left no issue. > 6. Owen Wynn, b. 1600, d. 1668, m. Grace Williams, dau. of Hugh > Williams. > Issue: 1. Sir Richard Wynn d. Oct 30, 1674, rn. Sarah dau. of > Thomas Myddelton. > Issue: Mary, sole heir. m. Robert Bertie. > 2. Sydney Wynn, b. and d. 1639. > 7. Morris Wynn b. ca 1602 d. Sept 30 1670 bur. at Llanrwst. > Left no issue. > 8. Henry Wynn, Attorney at Law, m. Catherine Ellis Lloyd > Issue: 1. Sir John Wynn, Bart of Watstay, the last Bart. b. 1627, > d. 1718. ifi. Jane dau. and heir of Eyton Evans. > Left no issue. > -9. William Wynn, d. 24 Dec. 1654 m. Jane dau of Thomas Lloyd. > Issue: 1. Sidney Wynn m. Edward Thelwall of Plas y ward. > .- - 2. Richard Wynn m. Catherine dau of Thomas - > Viscount Bulkeley. > Left no male issue. > 10. Two infants by the name of Roger. > 11. Elizabeth Wynn m. 1st Sir John Bodvel > m. 2d. John Thelwall. > 12. Mary m. Sir Roger Mostyn. > Here ends the male line of Sir John Wynn and Sydney Gerard. > m Now back to Edwin Wynn, half brother of Sir John Wynn. > > ~ Gen 13: > Edwin Wynn of Astrad m. in 1589 Blanch, dau of Jo Van of Blaen-y-Cwn.. > ~Gen 14: > ~Robert Wyn m. Barbara dau of Williams of Llwyn. > Issue: 1. Ed. Wyon of Llwyn, Clerk of the Green Cloth. > Left no issue. > 2. Owen Wynn of Llwyn., b.1650, d. 1717, > m. 1689 to Ann dau. of Mawna Lewis. > 0 Issue: 1. Mawris Wyon. > ~ Gen 15: > ~ Mawris Wynn b. in 1690 m. Elizabeth dau. of Francis Edwards. > ~ Gen 16: > Owen Wynn b. 1724, d. 1780 m. Ellenor dau. of Thomas Seele of Liverp > > Issue: 1. Wateyn Edwards Wynn d. 1790 m. Anna Maria Mostyn ,wd. > NTO issue. > ~. Mawrys Wyno, Rector of Bango. > source: 4 Wynns Newsletter > > Good luck! > > Jack Wynn > > > On Nov 15, 2009, at 10:52 PM, Randy wrote: > >> I know that the information I now have on my website: http:// >> www.ancestor-rescue.com/Winn/index.htm is full of errors and I >> humbly submit the following observations/opinions knowing there are >> some people that have put a lot more time and effort into the Winn/ >> Winne/Wynn/Wynne/Gwynne family than I have and will always know >> more than I do about much of the lineage and history. >> >> I am trying to establish sources for my Winn line and to make my >> website a helpful tool in finding and linking all the many family >> relations. I want to eventually have a link to everything of >> personal interest (to my relatives) that I don't cover in my site. >> And to have a useable reference that will help and not confuse >> others in tying to their lines. >> >> I have thought it best to do it in two parts: >> a.. GWYNNE: All those ancestors before immigration to America >> (assuming the move was around the 1600s). There seem to be many >> versions of the Wynne/Wynn lines in the 17th and 18th centuries. It >> would be nice, if possible, to establish a strawman version to work >> off of with links to other versions where warranted. >> I found an amazing book on Google Books: The History of the >> Gwydir Family http://books.google.com/books? >> id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=gwydir&lr=#v=onepage&q=&f=false It a >> book written in the 1600 by Sir John Wynn (updated 1878 by Askew >> Roberts) with manuscripts found at Winnstay. I put much of the >> genealogy into my database program and plan to make a GEDCOM file >> corresponding to this book and it's lineage. I thought I would >> convert this to what will become the GWYNNE website >> a.. WINN: Everything since down to my mother, Beatrice Winn >> http://www.ancestor-rescue.com/Bea/index.htm >> For this I will use what I have collected over the years, trying >> to cover as many ancillary lines as possible (maybe, in some cases, >> only mentioning I have additional info not on the site itself). >> If I can tie one to the other (GWYNNE--WINN), I will but I don't >> want to assume the ties as has been done in the past. I don't >> subscribe to the immigration, census, etc. data so I can't use that >> to pin down immigration and sort through the Virginia Winns. >> >> What I am asking my many cousins is weather I'm wasting my time and >> this already exists or it is impractical for some reason I haven't >> thought of. And, if there is a way to do this without starting from >> scratch or using the wrong data, I really could use some help. In >> my research so far, I found Wiki to be an incredible storehouse of >> well-presented information. >> >> Randy C. 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