Paul, I accidentally deleted your email about your Watkin Williams Wynns or your WWW with similar spelling. I am back at home with a few quiet days ahead. If you will resend your information, and go back as far as you can with your Winns, I will see if I can make a connection to the NC Wynns with the Watkin Williams given names. By the way, I have noticed that even in the proven NC Wynns line, the "s" moves around. Sometimes, it's Watkin Williams Wynns, sometimes, Watkins William Wynns or even Watkin William Wynn. The first WWW in the US seems to have had the "s" on both his middle name and his last name, but not his first name. No connection has been proven to Sir Watkin Williams Wynns in Wales, but if there should be one, Sir WWW of Wales was born a Williams, but had Wynns blood through his mother. Sir WWW inherited his title from his father , who was a baronet through the Williams side. He, also, inherited the fortune of his Wynns' ancestor, who was a baronet, as well, but couldn't pass his title to WWW because he was not a first born Wynns son. Sir WWW was required to change his surname to Wynns in order to inherit that estate. It would be interesting to see if a male from my (our?) Wynns/Wynn/Wynne/Winns/Winn/Win line would trace back, genetically, to the Williams surname or the Wynns surname. Have you considered having a DNA test? Jo Prytherch