Shirley - How great!!! My husband is a direct descendant of Robert Wynne & Mary Frances Sloman. He certainly can't test for the Wynne line cause that's his mom's family, but he did recently test 37 markers for Franklin YDNA. We're starting to get results. 25 marker is in & we're awaiting results on the 37. At the moment, he's a 24 out of 25 match with 2 people & 23 out of 25 on about 8 of them. All but one going back to NC and one of the 24 out of 25's was from PA b abt 1753! Wow, were we shocked!! His Franklin line had been dead-ended at his GGGgrandfather for about 20 years despite active & continuous research and I think this just might be what we've been waiting for. I don't know how many of you males out there have considered YDNA testing, but we think it's great. I haven't seen Bruce this excited in I don't know when. He's the one who asked that I try to learn who "Grandpa" Mark's parents were & it has been a source of major frustration until now. He's asking questions & making pertinent comments (Becky, don't laugh!) and is really involved which tickles me. Take care, Shirley! Lisa > [Original Message] > From: Shirley Williams <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 3/1/2006 9:21:14 PM > Subject: RE: [WINN] calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts (again) > > > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WINN] calling Miles and all Welsh Wynn-Winn experts (again) > > Dear Miles, > > Thank you for the fantastic work you have done on the Winn family. I had so > much erroneous information from my father's cousin - Welsh Royalty, et al. - > that I held on to that line too long, but now DNA enters the picture. I had > my Y-DNA done with the cooperation of my oldest brother, George Winn, who is > a direct male Winn descendant as far back as I have been able to go - to the > Thomas Winn who patented land in KY with his two brothers George and Owen. > This is a letter I recently received: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > HI SHIRLEY - YES IT WAS THROUGH THE YSEARCH THAT I GOT YOUR CONTACT INFO. I > MUST BE IN THE SAME GROUP AS YOUR BROTHER BUT AM NOT SURE WHICH HE IS IN THE > LISTING. I AM NEW TO THE DNA PROGRAM AND AM JUST TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO > COMPARE EVERYTHING. WE MIGHT HAVE A CONNECTION CLOSE BY, BUT FOR NOW AM NOT > SURE. I AM IN THE PROCESS OF UP DATING GEDCOM PEDIGREE FILES SO WILL HAVE AN > UP DATE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO TO PUT ON THE YSEARCH SITE. WILL TRY TO KEEP > IN CLOSE CONTACT TO SEE IF & HOW WE CONNECT - > ~~~~ > HI > SHIRLEY - I GUESS OUR THOMAS ARE NOT THE SAME. AS TO THE IMMIGRANT - MY LINE > IMMIGRANT IS ROBERT WYNNE b:1622 IN ST DUNSTAN, CANTERBURY, UK. HE CAME TO > THIS > COUNTRY BETWEEN 1652 & 1655. HAVE NOT GOT INTO FINDING THE EXACT DATE YET. > HIS WIFE WAS MARY FRANCIS SLOMAN b: 1635 IN LONDON, MIDDLESEX, UK.SO FAR I > HAVE > FOUND ONLY FOUR CHILDREN : MARY, THOMAS (my line),ROBERT, JOSHUA ALL BORN IN > CHARLES CITY, VA. I AM LOOKING FOR ROBERT THE MAYORS PARENT TOO. HAVE > SEVERAL > LEADS BUT NOTHING IN CONCRETE YET. AS TO FRANCES ; I HAVE HER NAME THREE > WAYS ; > WATTMER, WATMOUGH, WATTAMER. SHE WAS ALSO BORN IN SALOP LIKE ROBERT, BUT > HAVE > NOTHING YET FURTHER BACK ON HER PARENTS. HOPE THIS HELPS A BIT. I'LL PUT YOU > ON > MY INFO LIST IF I FIND OUT ANYTHING MORE. > THANKS > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To top it all off, my brother George Winn's DNA shows almost exclusively > English with only 1 marker listed as Welsh. There goes my trip to the > ancestral lands in Wales! > Shirley Winn Williams >

Dear Lisa, Isn't this incredible? I have no evidence that my Thomas was the son of Robert Wynne & Mary Francis Sloman but the DNA certainly seems to be pointing that way. I've had my mtDNA done and I wish we had a test for females like the Y test for men. 'Tain't fair! I've heard back from one person on my mtDNA: ~~~~~~~~~ Hello Shirley ~ I was surprised to find that your low res data is an exact match to my own. You are the first K I've found, besides myself, that has the 356C back mutation (we are actually K1 but FTDNA doesn't test for that yet). So we definitely share a common ancestor, but I can't, without more data, deduce how far back that would be. I hope that you will order the HVR2 test to see if we match on the high res portion as well. You may know that, Oesti, the 5400 year old Iceman found in the Alps on the Italian/Austrian border was a K. That will give some idea about where our ancestors were tramping about. Responding to your question, though, I do not intersect with any of the recent families you mention. Please let me know should you get the other test. I think it would be important to compare the full data set. You mention that you're in Arizona; I'm in Northern Colorado. Best regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Shirley ~ Nice to hear from you again. Glad you went ahead with the HVR2 test. If you go to mitoSearch, put in your ID and click Search for Genetic Matches, then click Perform Comparison for HVR1 Only, you'll get a list of a dozen individuals. We differ only by one deletion! Through our maternal lines, we are very closely related (but I don't know when since mtDNA doesn't mutate much over thousands of years), and, so far, we are the only two people with that slightly different HVR1 set that makes us haplogroup K1. So, hello, cousin! By the way, I noticed that I misspelled our ancient cousin's name. Should be Oetsi, or Ötsi in German. Best wishes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Shirley ~ Thanks for sending that article on to me. I downloaded a couple of others from various sources. The most complete one (aside from the journal article itself, which I'm pursuing) was on the BBC News. This one, together with an article I'll refer you to, brings us even closer to Oetzi's kin. The BBC art. tells that he was of subhaplogroup K1, which they say "is a comparatively rare haplogroup amongst Europeans, but has higher frequencies in populations in Ladin in the south of the Alps, and also the Oetzal area to the north." My own research had led me to identifying "our" haplogroup as K1. This has been confirmed by an article just published in Am. J. Hum. Genet., for Mar 2006. They did very comprehensive research on the full mtDNA K haplogroup and, lo and behold, our markers lead to, not just K or K1, but to K1c2. So we are not just plain old K anymore. We just get better defined all the time! Regards!