Hello Herbert, Your email here is interesting, as well as the previous one re Wynne/Winn lineage in Wales (my line also). The rumors of cousins is: Morus Wyn (of Wales) lst md Jane Buckley & had son John Wyn; Jane died & Morus remarried Miss_______& had son Robert (Mayor of Canterbury) & at her death, Morus was married 3rd to Katherine/Catherine Berain (also a mother of several children by Morus). I have seen print-outs of names of 2d & 3d wives reversed - - hopefully some of us can stumble across the main source of these three marriages someday & at least data on Robert & if he is truly the one who was Mayor of Canterbury. Herbert, I wish you the best luck & success in getting the lineage of Robert, Mayor of Canterbury, together for it is of great interest to all our cousins. Best Wishes, GJA/ ts ----- Original Message ----- From: "HERBERT WINN" <HWINN32@msn.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: [WINN] robert wynne (mayor) > myles: I too have been into hard research on Robert Wynne the mayor, who married Francis Wattmer. I know for a fact that he is not the son of sir john wynne. I am still digging around his birth place of old salop (shrewsbury)shropshire uk to find his parents. I have a story of him being the son of another robert who was the son of morys (morus)(maurice) by morys 3rd marriage to katherine of berain. All of this cannot be authenticated yet, but I am still trying with some contacts back in the uk. thanx HERB >

Thought this might be of interest to everyone. Marilyn http://www.penllyn.com/1/Hanes/TUDUR.HTML#bodfel Families & Houses / Teuluoedd a Thai John Wyn ap Hugh / Bodfe <http://www.penllyn.com/1/Hanes/TUDUR.HTML#bodfel>

Theresa and group.... Not sure if you have this, but check this one out....Also shows a picture of her. Marilyn http://www.gmilne.demon.co.uk/kath.htm Katherine Tudor of Berain (1534-1591) by Lucas de Heere Painted in 1568, when she was 34 years old. This painting is now in the National Museum of Wales in Cardiff but there are, I understand, a number of copies in private hands. This painting was sold some time before the second world war and found its way to Holland. When the Germans invaded Holland the painting was seized as booty by Goering and was presumably taken to his country seat, Karinhall. At the end of the second world war the painting was captured by Allied soldiers and eventually found its way to Cardiff. The locket she is wearing round her neck is said to have contained hair of Sir Richard Clough, Knight of the Holy Sepulchre, her second husband. They were married in 1567 and he died in 1570. Katherine (or, more correctly, Katrin or Catrin) was married four times and was reputed to have murdered her first three husbands, John Salusbury, who she married in 1556 and who died in 1566, Sir Richard Clough (see above) and Morris Wynn of Gwydir, who she married some time before 1573 and who died in 1580. Her fourth husband was Edward Thelwall of Plas-y-ward, who she married in 1583.