Hi Jack, Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it relate to an earlier link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a link between the Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? Myles Johnson ******************************************************* jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: > > Myles; > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > Jack > > >Hi Barbara, > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > >can't help with your > >question. > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > >family of Col. Robert > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > >been linked to that line > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Myles Johnson > > > >************************************************* > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > >>1728. > >> > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > >> > >> Thanks! Barb > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Myles Johnson > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > >> > >> Hi, > >> I can't help responding to this. > >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > >>that the John Winn recorded > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > >>only three other > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > >>This John was almost > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > >>connected to any family at all. > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > >>'explain' another guess -- > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > >>notes (last page). Miner > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > >>reader is referred to Denis > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > >>doc that ties any of them to > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > >>appear in early Va. > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > >>assigned by careless writers > >> to John & Eliz. > >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > >>actually locate the parents > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > >>please consider doing so. > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > >>named her in his will as > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > >>brothers, she was prob. still > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > >>made further unlikely > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > >>not even any evidence > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > >>sons to John Winn seem to > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > >>have come from John. > >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > >>no other apparent > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > >family was a fairly > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > >>possible parents for the Minor > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > >> > >> Myles Johnson > >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > >> > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > >>Co., VA. She married > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > >> > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > >> > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George).

A probably stupid question but... Could some of the "Minor" names, actually be a written mistake? Could it have been a bit of confuzzion about how the name was being used.. Example: "The minor Wynn, works on that property." Could be mistaken for the first name of a Wynn, instead of what they meant which was the younger of the two Wynn's works on that property. You know how some of those census takers were. Just wondering.... Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net < NEW E-MAIL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj@his.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > Hi Jack, > Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! > > Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it relate to an earlier > link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a link between the > Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? > > Myles Johnson > > ******************************************************* > > jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > Myles; > > > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > > > Jack > > > > >Hi Barbara, > > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > > >can't help with your > > >question. > > > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > > >family of Col. Robert > > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > > >been linked to that line > > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > > > >Good luck. > > > > > >Myles Johnson > > > > > >************************************************* > > > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > > >> > > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > > >>1728. > > >> > > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > > >> > > >> Thanks! Barb > > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Myles Johnson > > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> I can't help responding to this. > > >> > > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > > >>that the John Winn recorded > > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > > >>only three other > > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > > >>This John was almost > > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > > >>connected to any family at all. > > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > > >>'explain' another guess -- > > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > > >>notes (last page). Miner > > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > > >>reader is referred to Denis > > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > > >> > > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > > >>doc that ties any of them to > > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > > >>appear in early Va. > > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > > >>assigned by careless writers > > >> to John & Eliz. > > >> > > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > > >>actually locate the parents > > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > > >>please consider doing so. > > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > > >>named her in his will as > > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > > >>brothers, she was prob. still > > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > > >>made further unlikely > > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > > >>not even any evidence > > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > > >>sons to John Winn seem to > > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > > >>have come from John. > > >> > > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > > >>no other apparent > > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > > >family was a fairly > > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > > >>possible parents for the Minor > > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > > >> > > >> Myles Johnson > > >> > > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > > >> > > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > > >>Co., VA. She married > > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > > >> > > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > > >> > > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). > >

I'm afraid they are too profuse to be a mistake. The Minors Carolyn referred to appear in the Wilkes Family History. >A probably stupid question but... Could some of the "Minor" names, actually >be a written mistake? > >Could it have been a bit of confuzzion about how the name was being used.. >Example: "The minor Wynn, works on that property." Could be mistaken for >the first name of a Wynn, instead of what they meant which was the younger >of the two Wynn's works on that property. You know how some of those census >takers were. > >Just wondering.... > >Cuz B >ttg-inc@comcast.net < NEW E-MAIL >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj@his.com> >To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:34 PM >Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > > >> Hi Jack, >> Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! >> >> Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it >relate to an earlier >> link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a >link between the >> Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ******************************************************* >> >> jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: >> > >> > Myles; >> > >> > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: >> > >> > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne >> > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne >> > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne >> > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne >> > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him >yet >> > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" >> > >> > Jack >> > >> > >Hi Barbara, >> > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and >> > >can't help with your >> > >question. >> > > >> > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the >> > >family of Col. Robert >> > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever >> > >been linked to that line >> > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. >> > > >> > >Good luck. >> > > >> > >Myles Johnson >> > > >> > >************************************************* >> > > >> > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! >> > >> >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes >> > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or >> > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I >> > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > > > >>1728. > > > >> > > > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > > > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > > > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, >> > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you >> > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). >> > >> >> > >> Thanks! Barb >> > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: Myles Johnson >> > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com >> > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM >> > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn >> > >> >> > >> Hi, >> > >> I can't help responding to this. >> > >> >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof >> > >>that the John Winn recorded >> > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in >> > >>only three other >> > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. >> > >>This John was almost >> > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him >> > >>connected to any family at all. >> > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to >> > >>'explain' another guess -- >> > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. >> > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > > > >>notes (last page). Miner >> > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he >> > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann >> > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the >> > >>LDS Library -- in undoc >> > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The >> > >>reader is referred to Denis >> > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] >> > >> >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no >> > >>doc that ties any of them to >> > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who >> > >>appear in early Va. >> > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been >> > >>assigned by careless writers >> > >> to John & Eliz. >> > >> >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to >> > >>actually locate the parents >> > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, >> > >>please consider doing so. >> > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. >> > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, >> > >>named her in his will as >> > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older >> > >>brothers, she was prob. still >> > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is >> > >>made further unlikely >> > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is >> > >>not even any evidence >> > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as >> > >>sons to John Winn seem to >> > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not >> > >>have come from John. >> > >> >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been >> > >>no other apparent >> > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor >> > >family was a fairly >> > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other >> > >>possible parents for the Minor >> > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. >> > >> >> > >> Myles Johnson >> > >> >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth >> > >>Minor's children as outlined below? >> > >> > >> > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, >> > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland >> > >>Co., VA. She married >> > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 >> > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. >> > >> > >> > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: >> > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. >> > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., >VA. >> > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William >Co., VA. >> > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. >> > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. >> > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. >> > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks so much, Barb >> > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in >> > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in >> > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). >> >>