This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rlwynne_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1661.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Your post comes under the subject heading of "George Winn of London, Draper 1634" but the text of your message is unrelated to the prior messages or to the lineage of George Winn of London, Draper". I'm not exactly certain what you mean with the "books mentioned" comment. However, if you are simply attempting to rule out potential emigrant ancestors based on what documentation you have presently found in England the reference to "Richard Wynne of London and benefactor to the poor in the parish who died in 1688" is the famous Richard Wynne of Shrewsbury and London himself a draper and one of the wealthiest men of his time - truly a man of landed gentry. That is he descends from a long line of prosperous men who never had formally confirmned arms or title. This Richard Wynne is recorded in Boyd's "Grooms & Brides of London" with a citation that is presumably the source of the comment in a later visitation that his kin had a son Thomas who "lived, married and had issue in Virgnia". This line is currently represented in the maternal line of the Duke of Buckinghamshire and Chandos by Elizabeth Wynne, Richard Wynne's grand daughter. The only Thomas Wynne who might be a likely candidate for this Thomas Wynne is a Thomas Wynne who is listed as a headright in the manifest of the Capts. John Bagnall and John Walton who sold thier headright land grant in Westmoreland Co., Virginia sometime after 1654 to the famous Col. Edmund Scarborough. This transaction is confirmed both in the Virginia Land Patent Book and in the English file record. I consider this Thomas Wynne the likely candidate for the ancestor of Richard Winn of Middlesex Co. - a county immediately adjacent to Westmoreland Co., VA and at about the right time to correlate with the citation in the citation in the Visitation containing the pedigree of this line. If your line is descended from the line of Richard Winn of Middlesex Co., Virginia you will have your homework cut for you as no one has yet been able to identify exactly who is his emigrant ancestor - though I postulate a putative ancestor by a process of elimination. Y-DNA studies have further clarified or confused some of this line as the even more elusive Minor Winn has Y DNA test results which indicate that Richard Winn of Middlesex Co. and that of Minor Winn are of the same line. Without knowing the lineage of either emigrant we cannot know whether the common ancestor is closely related prior to migration to Virginia, brothers or perhaps descendants of one common 17th C Virginia emigrant. With respect to the citation for All Souls College there were a number of Wynne's who attended All Souls and I believe there may be endowed chairs set up in thier names. It seems unlikely that anyone who had the wherewithall to attend Oxford or Cambridge outside of a prospective rector or someone of a family of some wealth without any chance of inheriting would have little interest in emigrating to a land to start life anew without some compelling reason. Here it becomes necessary to know the history of the period in which any putative emigrant ancestor left England. With respect to the period from say 1630 to 1680 one can almost always make some judgement that the emigrant had a fair chance of belonging to the Cavalier class composed of second, third, fourth and so on sons of Royalist sympathy. In this regard it is entirely appropriate to be researching the records of Royalist families. Or that the emigrant was a devout Anglican. By and large Puritans, Catholics and Quakers! were not welcome in the Virginia colony and had a better home to find in Maryland or Pennsylvania. By 1695 the Hugenot emigration begins and the reasons driving migration change. As to the Richard Gwynn of Berkshire I am unfamiliar as a Wynne would never have allowed his name to revert to Gwynn it being an indication of South Wales origin and more than likely to be excluded from Wynne/Winn research in 17th C research. Though I never exclude Gwynn from my research it just never seems to "mutate" backwards from Wynne to Gwynn. Best regards, -Robert Wynne Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.