I have scanned and would be happy to email anyone any of the documents listed. Does anyone have any additional information, documents, or thoughts on him? Thanks Brian Winn P.S. Cindy: hint, hint, hint - - - - From: "A Lineage and Brief History of the Rawlings Family - Complied by a Descendant", released by W. J. Knight, Urbana, Ohio 3-1-1931: " . .. . John Winn whose coming to this county from Fleming County, Kentucky influenced six of the sons and daughters of Thomas Rawlings to come, visit, William, James, Elizabeth, Barbara, Malinda and Sally." "John Winn deserves a place in this memorial of our ancestors. I never knew him, as he was one of the pioneer settlers in Champaign County, Ohio, entering land here as early as 1805. James Rawlings married his granddaughter, and his sister, Elizabeth, married his son Douglass Irby Winn. I have often heard James Rawlings speak of John Winn. He gave me the impression that John Winn was a remarkable man. I have heard him tell many times a story that illustrated John Winn's adeptness with figures. The story was that he could count a flock of geese flying over his head at the same time he was counting a drove of hogs coming through a gate. The rapid use of figures was handed down to succeeding members to the Rawlings family, some of whom could calculate easily and rapidly. There was a close relationship between the Winn and Rawlings families. We are fortunate to tract this relationship back to the days when these two families emigrated from Virginia to Kentucky. From the biography of James G. Caldwell published in the History of Champaign County in 1881 we learn that this Caldwell was a grandson of John Winn, his mother being Jane Winn-Caldwell, daughter of John Winn. He states that John Winn was a Virginian by birth, and that he emigrated to Fleming County, Kentucky about the year 1796. This account says that "he came to Kentucky from Virginia in an ox cart with no property save a Negro boy and his cattle." His wife's name was Myrtilla Minor and "she inherited 20 Negroes from her father's estate." When he came to Ohio, a free state, "he freed all his slaves and gave his name as security for their good behavior." With these facts disclosed concerning the movements of John Winn we are able to reach the conclusion that John Winn came to Fleming County, Kentucky from Virginia, at the same time, or about the same time that Persley Rawlings came which was about 1795 according to record. There could have been very little difference in the ages of John Winn and Thomas Rawlings , son of Persley Rawlings. Since Douglass I. Winn brought his bride, Elizabeth Rawlings, from Kentucky to Champaign County where relatives of both had previously settled, there is little doubt but that these two families knew each other in Virginia and came west together to Kentucky. The esteem of James Rawlings for the Winns is further reflected in the fact that he honored the name by giving it to two of his sons. He named his oldest son, William John Winn Rawlings, and his youngest son, Douglass Winn Rawlings. John Winn became an extensive land owner in Champaign and Clark Counties. He obtained the patent from the government for one entire section of land in Champaign County which, for natural drainage, fertility and uniformity of surface cannot be excelled in the State of Ohio. This section, containing 640 acres, is know as Section 18, Town 5, Range 10, and lies in the very heart, or center, of what has been known for many years as "Pretty Prairie." He also owned other tracts of land in this immediate vicinity, one of which was 40 acres which he deeded to James Rawlings in 1834 and farms part of the farm upon which James spent his life in Ohio. I have not yet (1930) been able to locate the grave of John Winn though it is likely that he is buried somewhere on land he once owned. It used to be customary to set aside a lot on the farm to be used as family burying ground. The grave of Myrtilla Winn, John's wife, may be seen in a little grave yard on the east line of said Section 18 by the roadside. This yard contains the remains of several members and connection of the Will [Winn] family as follows: Myrtilla, wife of John Winn, Sr. died August 1, 1822, age 58 years. Chas. Winn died August 17, 1847, aged 47 years. Myrtilla, daughter of J & M Winn died September 29, 1840, aged 40 years (Evidently Chas. and Myrtilla were twins) Martha, wife of Wm. McRoberts died December 19, 1848, aged 58 years. Susana I., wife of Aquilla Bishop, died September 2[3], 1823, aged 31 years. (Martha and Susana were daughters of John Winn) William McRoberts died October 17, 1860, aged 71 years (James Rawlings married the daughter of Wm. & Martha McRoberts) - - - -- Attorney and Farmer. John Joseph's will leaves half his estate to his wife Margaret and son Hosea Ballou Winn [Cindy Keen]. Middle Name of Joseph comes from "Descendants of John Minor". - - - - Moved from Nottoway County, VA to Mason County, KY by 1798; 1798-1812 in Fleming County, KY; 1812-1823 in Champaign County, OH; 1823 Clark County, OH [Becky Thill] - - - - - "I am most interested to know where the middle name "Joseph" came from here, having never seen it in any document relating to Col. John Winn. Col. John did not marry abt. 1740. He married Susanna Irby in Amelia County on 4 Apr. 1754. His son Richard was not born abt. 1765, as he married Jane Pincham in Amelia County in 1779 and had already been serving as a Sergeant in the army before his marriage according to an affidavit made by his brother-in-law, William Pincham. He was probably born in the neighborhood of 1755-58. Ann Avery Hunter, Richmond, Virginia, [[email protected]] From Cindy Keen: "My opinion is that John Winn was John and not John Joseph Winn. I have not seen the proof that his middle name was a Joseph so I have him listed as John Winn". 4-21-02 (BNW note: I am not convinced his middle name is Joseph, but until proof comes along either way, I am keeping it as John Joseph Winn because I have too many John Winn's already!!) - - - - - Kathy Hughes: There is a deed from John WINN who married Myrtilla MINOR after he has gone to KY and I found it in the book NOTES ON SOUTHSIDE FAMILIES by Walter A. Watson. It is shown this way in the book: - - - - - WINN, JOHN, 1794. Deed from John Winn, of Mason County, KY, and John Tabb, of Amelia County, VA, to Freeman Epes, of Amelia, to land on Lazaretta Creek, adjoining lands of Peter Randolph and Robert Fitzgerald. Nottoway D.B.1. Just beneath it is a deed dated 1788 from Richard WINN to Freeman EPES in consideration of a loan by EPES; I assume this to be Richard WINN, the brother of John and of Jane, their sister who married Freeman EPES. - - - - - - In the name of God Amen. I John Winn of Clark County, town of Springfield of State of Ohio being now in The seventy ninth year of my age, & believing that ere long I shall come to remain in my present state of existence & being of a sound mind & memory do therefore make & ordain this my last Will & Testament in manner & form following- And first it is my will & desire that all mu just debts be paid& in case any person should suffer any loss whatever in consequence of having endorsed for me that my Executor pay to the person or persons suffering all the loss of damages they may have sustained out of my Estate. Item. I give & bequeath to my beloved wife Margaret (?) Five hundred dollars, I also give her in trust for my son Hosea Ballou Winn until he arrives to lawful age, provided she remains my Widow, Three hundred & ninety one acres & fifty two poles of land lying on the east side of Mad River & is a part of Section 4 & 10 in Township 4 & Range 10, on Miami River, one half of the rents or profits of which farm I give to my beloved wife while she remains my widow, the right profits or rents of the other half I give to my son Hosea Ballou Winn. I also give in trust to my beloved wife provided she remains my widow for my son Hosea Ballou Winn until he comes to lawful age, the following property (to wit) four of the best horses & four of the best cattle I may die possessed of, the best wagon & (?), my carriage and harness, all my farming utensils, my Brap(?) clock, my silver plate, the whole of my household of kitchen furniture, including my secretary, bookcase of books, desk, beer cans, sugar chest, beds of furniture & bedsteads & every kind of furniture whatever & the stove A& pipe now in use in my kitchen & all my sugar kettles & when my son Hosea Ballou Winn comes to lawful age, it is my will & desire that the land & personal property left in trust with his mother for him provided she still remains my widow should be equally divided between my beloved wife Margaret Winn & my son Hosea Ballou Winn, the half taken by my beloved wife I give to her during her widowhood, the other half I give & bequeath to my son Hosea Ballou Winn& his heirs forever. I also give and bequeath to my son Hosea Ballou Winn the land & personal Estate given to my wife during her widowhood. It is my desire that he takes possession of the same at the aspiration of his mother's widowhood & to him & his heirs forever. I give & bequeath the same, it is also my will & desire that my family be supported until the present crop is gathered & the provisions of meat grain & that is now have on hand. It is also my will & desire that should it be the will of my heavenly father to call me home before I receive the rent from John Gregory & Samuel Graybill that she be entitled to said rent one half I five to her for her benefit & the other half to my son Hosea Ballou Winn, It is also my will & desire that my beloved wife act as guardian for my son Hosea Ballou Winn & that she have the privilege to part with any livestock or rent in her hand provided she may think that it may be for her interest & the interest of my son Hosea Ballou Winn & that she have my said son Hosea Ballou Winn well educated & that as to his education she would be governed by the advice of my son Douglas I. Winn who promised me he would attend to his education. Item. I leave in trust with my executor for my afflicted daughter Myrtilla Winn one thousand five hundred dollars to be appointed by my executor for her special benefit & support in the most economical Manner during her life, & in case my said daughter should die leaving a child or children that she or they shall be entitled to the balance of said sum put in trust as before described by he she or them to be perpetuated forever. Item. Whereas I was one of three persons appointed as a committee to attend to the building of a house of worship in The town of Springfield in which there will be free privilege to preach the glorious gospel of our blessed Redeemer & whereas I promised to be at the expense of one thousand dollars toward building & finishing said house seven hundred & fifty five dollars 81 1/2 cents I have paid & am bound to pay builder orders given in my name and included in The sum mentioned & no one of two of aforesaid committee I am involved perhaps for one thousand dollars more, it is my desire that my executor settle up & pay the balance that my be behind of the thousand dollars & if I am compelled to pay more than the thousand dollars & the friends are unwilling to refund the over plus to my heirs that he request the church to sell the basement story & part of the loft & refund the over plus to my estate or heirs as i truly contribute $1000, but more in my view would be wronging some of my legatees Item. I give to my son Douglas I. Winn two hundred dollars, on account of his affliction and large family Item. I also give to my two sons, John Winn & Charles Winn & my two daughters Martha I. McRoberts & Jane Caldwell five dollars each & also five dollars to be divided among the children of my Dau. daughter Susanna I. Bishop. Item. It is my will & desire that my executor sell at private or public sale as he may think best all the personal property that I may die possessed of not given away, also the tract of land I purchased Of William Eby containing 194 57/100, also the 70 acres deeded to me by the Albins, also the tract I purchased of Bakers heirs containing about 96 1/2 acres & also my lotts in The town of Springfield purchased of Jake Christie & James Christie & also collect all debts due me by bond or otherwise& after paying all my debts & legacies & my executor what the law allows him for his services & my funeral expenses, it is my will & desire that the balance that my be remaining should be divided among my first children (to wit) Douglas I. Winn, Martha I. McRoberts. the children of Susannah I. Bishop dec. to draw one child's part, Jane Caldw3ell, John Winn, Charles Winn & Myrtilla Winn, that is provided no attempt is brought by them against my estate in consequence of a legacy left them by my mother which legacy has been discharged by me in giving & paying my children each of them more than twenty times the amount of their part of said legacy & provided they bring no other accompt against my estate, nor attempt to bring into bondage those colored people that I emancipated in Kentucky & should either of them bring any accompt against my estate, or attempt to bring those poor unfortunate colored people into bondage, it is my will & desire that they should draw no part of my estate, nor any part of the estate left to my son Hosea Ballou Winn should he die before he comes to lawful age, but incase there is no accompt brought against my estate & no attempt made to enslave the colored people aforesaid, it is my will & desire that the balance of my estate after paying my debts & legacies etc. should be divided in the following manner. To my son Douglas I. Winn I give one fourth part of the remainder to be equally divided among such of my children as may bring no accompt against my estate & make no attempt to bring into bondage the colored people above mentioned, my dec. daughters children to draw a child's part & in case my son Hosea Ballou Winn dies before he comes to lawful age, it is my will & desire that my beloved wife's children should draw one third of the estate bequeathed them & my children before mentioned that may bring no accompt against my estate nor attempt to bring into bondage the colored people aforesaid should draw two thirds of the estate bequeathed my son Hosea Ballou Winn, to be divided among them as I directed The balance of my estate should be divided, the third drawn by the heirs of Isaac Turman Dec. to be equally divided among his children that may be living when the legacy is drawn, and lastly it is my will & desire that my body may be plainly & decently buried & that something be set up at my grave showing where I lie, my age etc. I now appoint my son Douglas I. Winn my executor & if he is providently hindered so as to prevent him from attending to the business it is my desire that my son in law William McRoberts acts as my executor of this my last will & testament, hereby revoking all former wills by me made & confirming this alone to be my last will which I seal, publish & declare this first day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred & thirty eight. John Winn (seal); Signed, sealed & acknowledged in the presence of: James L Christie, Jonathan Lehman, J. Christie, William R?; State of Ohio, Clark County As the last will and testament of John Winn being before the court for probate Jepe Christie & Jonathan Lehman two of the _____ _______ _______ being sworn depose and say that they were present at the execution of said will that they hence ? testate acknowledge the same to be his last will and testament that they signed the same at his request and in his presence and in the presence of each other and that he was at the time in their opinion of sound and disposing mind and memory and under no restraint and further they say not. Sworn and subscribed in open court, the 5th day of October AD 1838: J. Lehman, J. Christie [Cindy Keen] - - - - Per Cindy Horracce [[email protected]] email dated 5-13-01: "History of Callaway County says Douglas's father [Cindy: called "Joseph"] settled first in KY and then Clark County OH where he died. The book also says his first wife was a Miss Bartley and second Peggy Turman." - - - - 1830 Ohio Census, Clark County, German Twp, Pg 149, Image 301: listed with Males: 3 5-10; 1 15-20, 1 20-30; 1 70-80; Females: 1 under 5; 1 5-10; 1 15-20; 1 20-30; 1 40-50 - - - From Charlotte Holder: 1800 Tax List of Fleming County, KY does not list anything but his name, John Winn dated 8-11-1800". Email dated 5-26-02 From Mrs. Botts: Supposedly listed as "a taxpaper in Fleming County in 1800; but no Joseph; also a John Winn in Clark County, Ohio..no Joseph.... 1820 Ohio Census shows a Joseph Winn in Huron County in 1820 (but look on the map and this seems unlikely he was yours... 1830 Ohio Census shows two John Winns in Clark County, Ohio but no Joseph listed. . . I find no Winns in Fleming County in 1820; but believe that they must have emigrated about 1810? . . 1810 Fleming County, Kentucky: John Winn (BNW note, I found a John Winn in Fayette County, not Fleming] . . . - - - - From Cindy Keen: "Posted on Winn List at Rootsweb.com by Kathy Willett February 2001: The widow of Isaac TURMAN, Margaret (Rector) TURMAN, was John Jr's second wife; the first was Myrtilla MINOR and she was the mother of all of his children excepting one. Myrtilla died 1 Aug 1822 and he married Margaret TURMAN in 1823, Clark Co, OH. They had one child together, Hosea Ballou WINN and he is mentioned in the will of his father as being under "lawful age." I have not found record myself but it is said by others that Hosea died without issue, I have no date." - -- - - - History of the Pioneer Families of Missouri with Numerous Sketches, Anecdotes, Adventurs, Etc., Relating to Early Days in Missouri, Bryan and Rose (1876) which says on pg 323 that "Winn - Joseph Winn of Kentucky was married first to a Mrs Bartley and second to Peggy Turman. Mr. Winn settled first in Kentucky and afterwards removed to Clark County, Ohio, where he died. His children were - -John, Charles, Martha, Jane, Susan, Myrtella and Douglass. The later married Elizabeth Rawlings, and settled in Callaway county in 1836. His children were -- Mary, Myrtella, John, Elizabeth, Thomas, Richard, Melvina, Douglass, Jr., Martha, William, Susannah and Ascenia." This is quoted exactly in History of Callaway County!! Response from an email dated 9-11-03 from Kathy Willett [[email protected]] "I think that whoever reported this information to the author had somewhat mixed up all of the names; maybe they were old and never knew the facts too well to begin with. I also think that this article is how the "Joseph" got stuck in with John. I know I've commented on this before but this is the ONLY article or document that I have ever seen that has used the name Joseph when speaking of John WINN. As for Miss BARKLEY, Myrtilla MINOR had a brother named BARTLEY and he was named for Bartholomew COX (I believe her grandfather?) so again, I think someone's fragmented memory came up with BARKLEY. You know these county histories are not based on original documents, only on hearsay and word-of-mouth traditions." - -- - - - DOCUMENTS IN THE FILE: John Josoph Winn 1759-1838 1. 1810 Kentucky Census, Fleming County, Image 1, page 61; per Charlotte Holder: 2 m u/10, (Richard and Charles), 1 m 10/16 (John Jr), 1 m 16/26 (Douglas Irby), 1 m 0/45 (John Winn Sr.), 1 f u/10 (Myrtilla), 1 f 10/16 (Jane), 2 f 16/26 (Martha and Susannah), 1 f 0/45 (Myrtilla Sr.); listed as John Wim (Possibly wrong John: 1810 Kentucky Census, Fayette County, lists John and John Jr; shows John Jr as having 7 slaves, John 1; 2. 1820 Ohio Census, Harrison County, North Twp, Image 1 (61), page 107-not sure if correct. 3. 1830 Ohio, Clark County, German Twp, Pg 159, image 301 showing males 3 5-10; 1 15-20; 1 20-30; 1 70-80; females 1 5-10; 1 10-15; 1 15-20; 1 40-50 4. 1830 Ohio, Champaign County, Urbana Twp, image 25, page 64 (may be wrong one: name John Winn Jr.) showing males: 1 under 5, 1 5-10; 1 15-20; 1 30-40; females: 1 under 5; 1 z5-10; 1 30-40 - - which makes them too young to be right John Winns? 5. Typewritten Winn Census analysis from Mrs. Thomas W. Botts 210 East Ridgeley Road, Columbia, Missouri 65201 6. Handwritten Record from Clark County Marriage Book showing John's marriage to Margaret Rector on 5-26-1823 7. Handwritten will of John Winn dated 8-1-1838 8. History of the Pioneer Families of Missouri. This section is quoted exactly in History of Callaway County!! TO BE DONE: John Joseph Winn 1759-1838 1. 1810, 1820 and 1830: determine which is correct John or Joseph Winn 2. Determine if John Joseph Winn is correct name 3. Check on 1790 Virginia Census, Amelia County 4. FU with Cindy Keen re copies of: a. John received 30 pounds specis on 17th September 1791 from Charles Winn as his full share of his father's estate. (MISC13) b. From Mason County, Kentucky Deed Book A-L, 1789-1810: 192 - Thomas Hart, Merchant, of town of Lexington, Ky appts John Winn of Mason co his attny to convey lands conveyed to him by Littleberry Mosberry, heir at law to John Mosby, dec'd; land lying in Fleming County Fayette co clerk: C. Beatty Clerk: Thomas Marshall, Jr. 5. Marriages of Lunenburg County Virginia 1746-1853; compiled and published by Emma R. Matheny and Helen K. Yates, p. 137 shows that John WINN married Myrtila MINOR on 14 Dec 1787 (married by Thomas CRYMES). Found in Will Book 3:309.