Hi Brian, I am a descendant of John Joseph Winn through Douglass Irby Winn and have worked some on this line. Cindy Horrrace and I have corresponded but I haven't talked to her in awhile. I will check to see if I have any documentation that is not listed. I do have copies of the land patent information and do have a location of his grave. I haven't had a chance to go there to photo it yet and it was a rundown grave yard several years ago. I would be happy to exchange information with you. I do have the will of John's brother Charles (a physician) as well. This was a well educated family. Do you have any pictures of the family? Donna Winn [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Winn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [WINN] I am revisiting John Joseph Winn 1759 - 1838 > I have scanned and would be happy to email anyone any of the documents > listed. Does anyone have any additional information, documents, or thoughts > on him? > > Thanks > > Brian Winn > > P.S. Cindy: hint, hint, hint > > > > - - - - > From: "A Lineage and Brief History of the Rawlings Family - Complied by a > Descendant", released by W. J. Knight, Urbana, Ohio 3-1-1931: > > " . .. . John Winn whose coming to this county from Fleming County, > Kentucky influenced six of the sons and daughters of Thomas Rawlings to > come, visit, William, James, Elizabeth, Barbara, Malinda and Sally." > > "John Winn deserves a place in this memorial of our ancestors. I never > knew him, as he was one of the pioneer settlers in Champaign County, Ohio, > entering land here as early as 1805. James Rawlings married his > granddaughter, and his sister, Elizabeth, married his son Douglass Irby > Winn. > I have often heard James Rawlings speak of John Winn. He gave me the > impression that John Winn was a remarkable man. I have heard him tell many > times a story that illustrated John Winn's adeptness with figures. The > story was that he could count a flock of geese flying over his head at the > same time he was counting a drove of hogs coming through a gate. The rapid > use of figures was handed down to succeeding members to the Rawlings family, > some of whom could calculate easily and rapidly. > There was a close relationship between the Winn and Rawlings families. We > are fortunate to tract this relationship back to the days when these two > families emigrated from Virginia to Kentucky. From the biography of James > G. Caldwell published in the History of Champaign County in 1881 we learn > that this Caldwell was a grandson of John Winn, his mother being Jane > Winn-Caldwell, daughter of John Winn. He states that John Winn was a > Virginian by birth, and that he emigrated to Fleming County, Kentucky about > the year 1796. This account says that "he came to Kentucky from Virginia in > an ox cart with no property save a Negro boy and his cattle." His wife's > name was Myrtilla Minor and "she inherited 20 Negroes from her father's > estate." When he came to Ohio, a free state, "he freed all his slaves and > gave his name as security for their good behavior." > With these facts disclosed concerning the movements of John Winn we are > able to reach the conclusion that John Winn came to Fleming County, Kentucky > from Virginia, at the same time, or about the same time that Persley > Rawlings came which was about 1795 according to record. There could have > been very little difference in the ages of John Winn and Thomas Rawlings , > son of Persley Rawlings. Since Douglass I. Winn brought his bride, > Elizabeth Rawlings, from Kentucky to Champaign County where relatives of > both had previously settled, there is little doubt but that these two > families knew each other in Virginia and came west together to Kentucky. > The esteem of James Rawlings for the Winns is further reflected in the fact > that he honored the name by giving it to two of his sons. He named his > oldest son, William John Winn Rawlings, and his youngest son, Douglass Winn > Rawlings. > John Winn became an extensive land owner in Champaign and Clark Counties. > He obtained the patent from the government for one entire section of land in > Champaign County which, for natural drainage, fertility and uniformity of > surface cannot be excelled in the State of Ohio. This section, containing > 640 acres, is know as Section 18, Town 5, Range 10, and lies in the very > heart, or center, of what has been known for many years as "Pretty Prairie." > He also owned other tracts of land in this immediate vicinity, one of which > was 40 acres which he deeded to James Rawlings in 1834 and farms part of the > farm upon which James spent his life in Ohio. > I have not yet (1930) been able to locate the grave of John Winn though it > is likely that he is buried somewhere on land he once owned. It used to be > customary to set aside a lot on the farm to be used as family burying > ground. The grave of Myrtilla Winn, John's wife, may be seen in a little > grave yard on the east line of said Section 18 by the roadside. This yard > contains the remains of several members and connection of the Will [Winn] > family as follows: > Myrtilla, wife of John Winn, Sr. died August 1, 1822, age 58 years. > Chas. Winn died August 17, 1847, aged 47 years. > Myrtilla, daughter of J & M Winn died September 29, 1840, aged 40 years > (Evidently Chas. and Myrtilla were twins) > Martha, wife of Wm. McRoberts died December 19, 1848, aged 58 years. > Susana I., wife of Aquilla Bishop, died September 2[3], 1823, aged 31 > years. > (Martha and Susana were daughters of John Winn) > William McRoberts died October 17, 1860, aged 71 years > (James Rawlings married the daughter of Wm. & Martha McRoberts) > - - - -- > Attorney and Farmer. John Joseph's will leaves half his estate to his wife > Margaret and son Hosea Ballou Winn [Cindy Keen]. Middle Name of Joseph > comes from "Descendants of John Minor". > - - - - > Moved from Nottoway County, VA to Mason County, KY by 1798; 1798-1812 in > Fleming County, KY; 1812-1823 in Champaign County, OH; 1823 Clark County, OH > [Becky Thill] > - - - - - > "I am most interested to know where the middle name "Joseph" came from here, > having never seen it in any document relating to Col. John Winn. Col. John > did not marry abt. 1740. He married Susanna Irby in Amelia County on 4 Apr. > 1754. His son Richard was not born abt. 1765, as he married Jane Pincham in > Amelia County in 1779 and had already been serving as a Sergeant in the army > before his marriage according to an affidavit made by his brother-in-law, > William Pincham. He was probably born in the neighborhood of 1755-58. Ann > Avery Hunter, Richmond, Virginia, [[email protected]] > > >From Cindy Keen: "My opinion is that John Winn was John and not John Joseph > Winn. I have not seen the proof that his middle name was a Joseph so I have > him listed as John Winn". 4-21-02 (BNW note: I am not convinced his middle > name is Joseph, but until proof comes along either way, I am keeping it as > John Joseph Winn because I have too many John Winn's already!!) > - - - - - > Kathy Hughes: There is a deed from John WINN who married Myrtilla MINOR > after he has gone to KY and I found it in the book NOTES ON SOUTHSIDE > FAMILIES by Walter A. Watson. It is shown this way in the book: > - - - - - > WINN, JOHN, 1794. Deed from John Winn, of Mason County, KY, and John Tabb, > of Amelia County, VA, to Freeman Epes, of Amelia, to land on Lazaretta > Creek, adjoining lands of Peter Randolph and Robert Fitzgerald. Nottoway > D.B.1. > > Just beneath it is a deed dated 1788 from Richard WINN to Freeman EPES in > consideration of a loan by EPES; I assume this to be Richard WINN, the > brother of John and of Jane, their sister who married Freeman EPES. > - - - - - - > In the name of God Amen. I John Winn of Clark County, town of Springfield > of State of Ohio being now in The seventy ninth year of my age, & believing > that ere long I shall come to remain in my present state of existence & > being of a sound mind & memory do therefore make & ordain this my last Will > & Testament in manner & form following- > > And first it is my will & desire that all mu just debts be paid& in case any > person should suffer any loss whatever in consequence of having endorsed for > me that my Executor pay to the person or persons suffering all the loss of > damages they may have sustained out of my Estate. > > Item. I give & bequeath to my beloved wife Margaret (?) Five hundred > dollars, I also give her in trust for my son Hosea Ballou Winn until he > arrives to lawful age, provided she remains my Widow, Three hundred & ninety > one acres & fifty two poles of land lying on the east side of Mad River & is > a part of Section 4 & 10 in Township 4 & Range 10, on Miami River, one half > of the rents or profits of which farm I give to my beloved wife while she > remains my widow, the right profits or rents of the other half I give to my > son Hosea Ballou Winn. I also give in trust to my beloved wife provided she > remains my widow for my son Hosea Ballou Winn until he comes to lawful age, > the following property (to wit) four of the best horses & four of the best > cattle I may die possessed of, the best wagon & (?), my carriage and > harness, all my farming utensils, my Brap(?) clock, my silver plate, the > whole of my household of kitchen furniture, including my secretary, bookcase > of books, desk, beer cans, sugar chest, beds of furniture & bedsteads & > every kind of furniture whatever & the stove A& pipe now in use in my > kitchen & all my sugar kettles & when my son Hosea Ballou Winn comes to > lawful age, it is my will & desire that the land & personal property left in > trust with his mother for him provided she still remains my widow should be > equally divided between my beloved wife Margaret Winn & my son Hosea Ballou > Winn, the half taken by my beloved wife I give to her during her widowhood, > the other half I give & bequeath to my son Hosea Ballou Winn& his heirs > forever. I also give and bequeath to my son Hosea Ballou Winn the land & > personal Estate given to my wife during her widowhood. It is my desire that > he takes possession of the same at the aspiration of his mother's widowhood > & to him & his heirs forever. I give & bequeath the same, it is also my > will & desire that my family be supported until the present crop is gathered > & the provisions of meat grain & that is now have on hand. It is also my > will & desire that should it be the will of my heavenly father to call me > home before I receive the rent from John Gregory & Samuel Graybill that she > be entitled to said rent one half I five to her for her benefit & the other > half to my son Hosea Ballou Winn, It is also my will & desire that my > beloved wife act as guardian for my son Hosea Ballou Winn & that she have > the privilege to part with any livestock or rent in her hand provided she > may think that it may be for her interest & the interest of my son Hosea > Ballou Winn & that she have my said son Hosea Ballou Winn well educated & > that as to his education she would be governed by the advice of my son > Douglas I. Winn who promised me he would attend to his education. > > Item. I leave in trust with my executor for my afflicted daughter Myrtilla > Winn one thousand five hundred dollars to be appointed by my executor for > her special benefit & support in the most economical Manner during her life, > & in case my said daughter should die leaving a child or children that she > or they shall be entitled to the balance of said sum put in trust as before > described by he she or them to be perpetuated forever. > > Item. Whereas I was one of three persons appointed as a committee to attend > to the building of a house of worship in The town of Springfield in which > there will be free privilege to preach the glorious gospel of our blessed > Redeemer & whereas I promised to be at the expense of one thousand dollars > toward building & finishing said house seven hundred & fifty five dollars 81 > 1/2 cents I have paid & am bound to pay builder orders given in my name and > included in The sum mentioned & no one of two of aforesaid committee I am > involved perhaps for one thousand dollars more, it is my desire that my > executor settle up & pay the balance that my be behind of the thousand > dollars & if I am compelled to pay more than the thousand dollars & the > friends are unwilling to refund the over plus to my heirs that he request > the church to sell the basement story & part of the loft & refund the over > plus to my estate or heirs as i truly contribute $1000, but more in my view > would be wronging some of my legatees > > Item. I give to my son Douglas I. Winn two hundred dollars, on account of > his affliction and large family > > Item. I also give to my two sons, John Winn & Charles Winn & my two > daughters Martha I. McRoberts & Jane Caldwell five dollars each & also five > dollars to be divided among the children of my Dau. daughter Susanna I. > Bishop. > > Item. It is my will & desire that my executor sell at private or public > sale as he may think best all the personal property that I may die possessed > of not given away, also the tract of land I purchased Of William Eby > containing 194 57/100, also the 70 acres deeded to me by the Albins, also > the tract I purchased of Bakers heirs containing about 96 1/2 acres & also > my lotts in The town of Springfield purchased of Jake Christie & James > Christie & also collect all debts due me by bond or otherwise& after paying > all my debts & legacies & my executor what the law allows him for his > services & my funeral expenses, it is my will & desire that the balance that > my be remaining should be divided among my first children (to wit) Douglas > I. Winn, Martha I. McRoberts. the children of Susannah I. Bishop dec. to > draw one child's part, Jane Caldw3ell, John Winn, Charles Winn & Myrtilla > Winn, that is provided no attempt is brought by them against my estate in > consequence of a legacy left them by my mother which legacy has been > discharged by me in giving & paying my children each of them more than > twenty times the amount of their part of said legacy & provided they bring > no other accompt against my estate, nor attempt to bring into bondage those > colored people that I emancipated in Kentucky & should either of them bring > any accompt against my estate, or attempt to bring those poor unfortunate > colored people into bondage, it is my will & desire that they should draw no > part of my estate, nor any part of the estate left to my son Hosea Ballou > Winn should he die before he comes to lawful age, but incase there is no > accompt brought against my estate & no attempt made to enslave the colored > people aforesaid, it is my will & desire that the balance of my estate after > paying my debts & legacies etc. should be divided in the following manner. > To my son Douglas I. Winn I give one fourth part of the remainder to be > equally divided among such of my children as may bring no accompt against my > estate & make no attempt to bring into bondage the colored people above > mentioned, my dec. daughters children to draw a child's part & in case my > son Hosea Ballou Winn dies before he comes to lawful age, it is my will & > desire that my beloved wife's children should draw one third of the estate > bequeathed them & my children before mentioned that may bring no accompt > against my estate nor attempt to bring into bondage the colored people > aforesaid should draw two thirds of the estate bequeathed my son Hosea > Ballou Winn, to be divided among them as I directed The balance of my estate > should be divided, the third drawn by the heirs of Isaac Turman Dec. to be > equally divided among his children that may be living when the legacy is > drawn, and lastly it is my will & desire that my body may be plainly & > decently buried & that something be set up at my grave showing where I lie, > my age etc. I now appoint my son Douglas I. Winn my executor & if he is > providently hindered so as to prevent him from attending to the business it > is my desire that my son in law William McRoberts acts as my executor of > this my last will & testament, hereby revoking all former wills by me made & > confirming this alone to be my last will which I seal, publish & declare > this first day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred > & thirty eight. John Winn (seal); Signed, sealed & > acknowledged in the presence of: James L Christie, Jonathan Lehman, J. > Christie, William R?; State of Ohio, Clark County > > As the last will and testament of John Winn being before the court for > probate Jepe Christie & Jonathan Lehman two of the _____ _______ _______ > being sworn depose and say that they were present at the execution of said > will that they hence ? testate acknowledge the same to be his last will and > testament that they signed the same at his request and in his presence and > in the presence of each other and that he was at the time in their opinion > of sound and disposing mind and memory and under no restraint and further > they say not. > > Sworn and subscribed in open court, the 5th day of October AD 1838: J. > Lehman, J. Christie [Cindy Keen] > - - - - > Per Cindy Horracce [[email protected]] email dated 5-13-01: "History of > Callaway County says Douglas's father [Cindy: called "Joseph"] settled > first in KY and then Clark County OH where he died. The book also says his > first wife was a Miss Bartley and second Peggy Turman." > - - - - > 1830 Ohio Census, Clark County, German Twp, Pg 149, Image 301: listed with > Males: 3 5-10; 1 15-20, 1 20-30; 1 70-80; Females: 1 under 5; 1 5-10; 1 > 15-20; 1 20-30; 1 40-50 > - - - > >From Charlotte Holder: 1800 Tax List of Fleming County, KY does not list > anything but his name, John Winn dated 8-11-1800". Email dated 5-26-02 > > >From Mrs. Botts: Supposedly listed as "a taxpaper in Fleming County in > 1800; but no Joseph; also a John Winn in Clark County, Ohio..no Joseph.... > 1820 Ohio Census shows a Joseph Winn in Huron County in 1820 (but look on > the map and this seems unlikely he was yours... 1830 Ohio Census shows two > John Winns in Clark County, Ohio but no Joseph listed. . . I find no Winns > in Fleming County in 1820; but believe that they must have emigrated about > 1810? . . 1810 Fleming County, Kentucky: John Winn (BNW note, I found a > John Winn in Fayette County, not Fleming] . . . > - - - - > >From Cindy Keen: "Posted on Winn List at Rootsweb.com by Kathy Willett > February 2001: The widow of Isaac TURMAN, Margaret (Rector) TURMAN, was > John Jr's second wife; the first was Myrtilla MINOR and she was the mother > of all of his children excepting one. Myrtilla died 1 Aug 1822 and he > married Margaret TURMAN in 1823, Clark Co, OH. They had one child together, > Hosea Ballou WINN and he is mentioned in the will of his father as being > under "lawful age." I have not found record myself but it is said by others > that Hosea died without issue, I have no date." > - -- - - - > History of the Pioneer Families of Missouri with Numerous Sketches, > Anecdotes, Adventurs, Etc., Relating to Early Days in Missouri, Bryan and > Rose (1876) which says on pg 323 that "Winn - Joseph Winn of Kentucky was > married first to a Mrs Bartley and second to Peggy Turman. Mr. Winn settled > first in Kentucky and afterwards removed to Clark County, Ohio, where he > died. His children were - -John, Charles, Martha, Jane, Susan, Myrtella > and Douglass. The later married Elizabeth Rawlings, and settled in Callaway > county in 1836. His children were -- Mary, Myrtella, John, Elizabeth, > Thomas, Richard, Melvina, Douglass, Jr., Martha, William, Susannah and > Ascenia." This is quoted exactly in History of Callaway County!! > > Response from an email dated 9-11-03 from Kathy Willett > [[email protected]] > > "I think that whoever reported this information to the author had somewhat > mixed up all of the names; maybe they were old and never knew the facts too > well to begin with. I also think that this article is how the "Joseph" got > stuck in with John. I know I've commented on this before but this is the > ONLY article or document that I have ever seen that has used the name Joseph > when speaking of John WINN. As for Miss BARKLEY, Myrtilla MINOR had a > brother named BARTLEY and he was named for Bartholomew COX (I believe her > grandfather?) so again, I think someone's fragmented memory came up with > BARKLEY. You know these county histories are not based on original > documents, only on hearsay and word-of-mouth traditions." > - -- - - - > DOCUMENTS IN THE FILE: John Josoph Winn 1759-1838 > > 1. 1810 Kentucky Census, Fleming County, Image 1, page 61; per Charlotte > Holder: 2 m u/10, (Richard and Charles), 1 m 10/16 (John Jr), 1 m 16/26 > (Douglas Irby), 1 m 0/45 (John Winn Sr.), 1 f u/10 (Myrtilla), 1 f 10/16 > (Jane), 2 f 16/26 (Martha and Susannah), 1 f 0/45 (Myrtilla Sr.); listed as > John Wim > (Possibly wrong John: 1810 Kentucky Census, Fayette County, lists John and > John Jr; shows John Jr as having 7 slaves, John 1; > 2. 1820 Ohio Census, Harrison County, North Twp, Image 1 (61), page > 107-not sure if correct. > 3. 1830 Ohio, Clark County, German Twp, Pg 159, image 301 showing males 3 > 5-10; 1 15-20; 1 20-30; 1 70-80; females 1 5-10; 1 10-15; 1 15-20; 1 40-50 > 4. 1830 Ohio, Champaign County, Urbana Twp, image 25, page 64 (may be > wrong one: name John Winn Jr.) showing males: 1 under 5, 1 5-10; 1 15-20; 1 > 30-40; females: 1 under 5; 1 z5-10; 1 30-40 - - which makes them too young > to be right John Winns? > 5. Typewritten Winn Census analysis from Mrs. Thomas W. Botts 210 East > Ridgeley Road, Columbia, Missouri 65201 > 6. Handwritten Record from Clark County Marriage Book showing John's > marriage to Margaret Rector on 5-26-1823 > 7. Handwritten will of John Winn dated 8-1-1838 > 8. History of the Pioneer Families of Missouri. This section is quoted > exactly in History of Callaway County!! > > TO BE DONE: John Joseph Winn 1759-1838 > > 1. 1810, 1820 and 1830: determine which is correct John or Joseph Winn > 2. Determine if John Joseph Winn is correct name > 3. Check on 1790 Virginia Census, Amelia County > 4. FU with Cindy Keen re copies of: > a. John received 30 pounds specis on 17th September 1791 from Charles > Winn as his full share of his father's estate. (MISC13) > b. From Mason County, Kentucky Deed Book A-L, 1789-1810: 192 - Thomas > Hart, Merchant, of town of Lexington, Ky appts John Winn of Mason co his > attny to convey lands conveyed to him by Littleberry Mosberry, heir at law > to John Mosby, dec'd; land lying in Fleming County Fayette co clerk: C. > Beatty Clerk: Thomas Marshall, Jr. > 5. Marriages of Lunenburg County Virginia 1746-1853; compiled and > published by Emma R. Matheny and Helen K. Yates, p. 137 shows that John WINN > married Myrtila MINOR on 14 Dec 1787 (married by Thomas CRYMES). Found in > Will Book 3:309. > >