Back last winter [Jan-Feb time frame] I ordered the "The History of the Gwydir Family, Sir John Wynne.... from Quintin Publications...because it was out of print and could find no copies any where... they said it would be 40 days because they have to get authoization and also they have to scan the book in and or get a scanned copy from the LDS... they contacted me in August and said it was still in the works... Ok.. so now they have the book in their files so it should be the normal 10-20 days to get it... or faster if you want a cd of it... I paid $23.92 for book, tax and shipping and I received it today it is a spiral bound book with the original cover copied on to a tan card stock, and then the pages of the book copied and placed in side the spiral bindings and then the back cover is the tan card stock also.. so not bad for that price. IF you want a copy you might contact them. This is the Web page where you can order it. It is at the very bottom of the list under GWYDIR: http://www.quintinpublications.com/familygenealogies_guli.html GWYDIR The History of the Gwydir Family., Wynne, Sir John., (1878) 172 Book $18.92, CD $10.95 They say: "Since all of the titles offered through Quintin's Family History Centre are custom produced for your order, we ask an average of 40 working days to fulfill each request. This time will allow us to produce a quality assured product for you. If you are in search of a genealogy not found on these pages please do not hesitate to ask us. We have many sources and might be able to provide you with the product you desire. Printed Version. The cost of each custom-produced title is little more than it would cost to photocopy each volume - only 11¢ per page ( 9¢ per page for books over 1,000 pages) for a professionally photocopied volume. A 250 page book would cost you only $27.50. There is a minimum price of $10.95 per title. We think that you'll agree that's a reasonable price for custom printing of an out-of-print title. Digital Version. If you prefer to have your chosen title on CD-ROM, the cost is only 5¢ per page. There is a minimum price of $10.95 per title. In several cases it is impossible to determine the accurate price for a genealogy because of a lack of bibliographic information. In general, these books can run from 10 pages to more than 900 pages per volume. Such genealogies are priced with "XXX". By ordering these items you agree to pay the per page cost of the volume(s) based upon the pricing structure as explained above. Ok balls in your court if you want one. Hugs Cuz Becky ttg-inc@attbi.com http://www.ttg-inc.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/