Ok.. I think I have figured it out.... The book I purchased at Quintin Publications, Inc. was done by Askew Roberts of Croeswylan, Oswestry.. in 1878 This is what he says " The History of the Gwydir Family has been thrice published. The first edition edited by the Hon. Daines Barrington, issued from the press in 1770. the second was published by Mr. Barrington's Miscellanies in 1781; the third, edited by Miss Angharad Llwyd, made its appearance in 1827. The History of the Gwydir Family is the only one that gives any account of the state of society in North Wales in the 15th, and in the earlier part of the 16th centuries, but unfortunately, it is lamentably deficient in dates. The present edition owes its existence to the long and painsaking labour of the W.W. E. Wynne, Esq., of Peniarth, who has collated his copy of Miss Llwyd's edition with the Brogyniyn, Wynnstay, and Peniarth MSS., adding a very large collection of dates, from contempoary records, including the Minister's Accounts in the Public Record Office, in London. Mr. Wynne having very kindly placed his copy at my disposal, it has been my pleasant task during the last three or four months to superintend the issue of the present edition through the press, and I have most heartily to thank the Rev. Canon Williams, of Rhydycroesau, for his advice and assistance, without which several errors whould have passed uncorrected. .... and it goes... on then it is signed by Askew Roberts, Croeswylan, Oswestry. Hope this helps. Cuz B ttg-inc@attbi.com http://www.ttg-inc.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/