"The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878 Which I consider a "Southern" book as it pertains to what most think is the lines to the southern cuz's.... but I found a interesting generation.... Interesting note.... on the Table II [following page 28] it shows the family line: 1. David ap Gruffith ap Cariadog d = Evp [Eve], da. of Gruffith Vaughan b. 2. Howell ap David = Eva, or Myfanwy [dau. of Evan or Ievan, son of Howell ap Meredith of Evioneth] 3. Meredith ap Howell = Morvydd, da. of Jevan ap David ap Trahayarn Goch of the house of Rhys ap Tudor. She died 1416 4. Robert ap Meredith when he was almost 80 married Angharad, da. of David ap L'yn, &c [She mar. 2ndly Meredith ap Rhys ap Ievan [Llwyd. &c] j 4. Jevan ap Meredith, married Llelki, dau. of Howel Sele. k 4. Robin = 5. A da. wife of Ithel Vaughan 4. Marsli, wife of Jenkin Conwey ancestor of the Conways. This is the generation I find interesting!! 4. Robin = 5. A da. wife of Ithel Vaughan Dr. Thomas Wynne is related to this Ithel Vaughan . 1 Ithel Vychan [Vaughan] ap [Kynveig] Cynwrig b.: 1440 Bodfari, Yskeiviog [village and parish], Flintshire Co., Wales .. +Angharad verch Robin b: 1440 Holt and Northop m: 1459 .. 2 Cynwrig [Cynric Sais] ap Ithel Vychan b: Abt. 1461 Bodfari, Ysceifiog, Flintshire Co., Wales d: Aft. 1490 .... +Tanglwystl Llwyd ferch Gruffydd Llwyd b: Abt. 1465 Bodfari, Ysciefiog, Flintshire Co., Wales m: Abt. 1480 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales .3 Harri Wynne ap Cynwrig b: Abt. 1485 Bron Fadoc, Ysceifiog, North Wales ...... +Alis [Ales, Alice] Thelwall b: 1485 Plas Y Ward nr Ruthin, Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales m: Abt. 1500 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales d: Plas Y Ward nr Ruthin, Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales .. 4 John Wynne ap Harri b: Abt. 1501 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales d: 1572 Upkeiviog ........ +Katherine [Jenkins] ferch Ithel b: Abt. 1500 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales m: Abt. 1527 d: Abt. 1563 ... 5 Rhys ap John Wynne b: 1538 Yskeiviog, Flintshire Co., North Wales d: Aft. 1592 Yskeiviog, Flintshire Co. North Wales .......... +Katherine b: Abt. 1543 Yskeiviog, Flintshire Co. North Wales m: 1563 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales .. 6 John ap Rhys b: 1570 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales d: 1638 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales ............. +Grace Morgan b: Abt. 1570 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales m: October 29, 1588 Bodfari Church, Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales ... 7 Thomas ap John Wyn b: December 26, 1589 Bron Fadoc (Estate), Caerwys (Twp.), Ysceifiog (Parish), Flintshire (Cty.), North Wales d: October 7, 1633 Bodfari, North Wales ............... +Mrs Thomas ap John Wyn b: Abt. 1589 m: 1616 Ysceifiog, Flintshire, Wales .... 8 Thomas Wynne b: July 20, 1627 Bron Fadoc (Estate), Caerwys (Twp.), Ysceifiog (Parish), Flintshire (Cty.), North Wales d: March 16, 1691/92 Philadelphia, Philadelphia Cty., PA. ................. +Martha Elizabeth Buttall b: 1627 Clwyd, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales m: 1655 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales d: Bet. June - July 1676 Wales And yeah Connie I know you probably already noticed that as you had worked with me on the Ithel Vaughan part and talked of this. Hugs Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/