In re-reading Dean Winn's "Notes on the Winn Family of Virginia, South Carolina" I see a lengthy quote from Prof. W. Wayne Smith, University of Idaho regarding the ancient Winns, which is the second or third reference I have seen to his Winn research Did Prof. Smith publish anything on the Winns? If yes, would someone mind sending me a copy or a reference to his publication? Thanks Brian Winn
I wonder if this publication might connect with my Winn's that came from the New Castle on the Tyne in Duram county, England? My Winn line that I know about came to America in 1852 having lived in Northumberland. Bob Morefield ----------------------------------- --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Brian Winn <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> wrote: > From: Brian Winn <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> > Subject: [WINN] Prof. W. Wayne Smith > To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 11:42 PM > > > In re-reading Dean Winn's "Notes on the Winn Family of > Virginia, South > Carolina" I see a lengthy quote from Prof. W. Wayne Smith, > University of > Idaho regarding the ancient Winns, which is the second or > third reference I > have seen to his Winn research > > Did Prof. Smith publish anything on the Winns? If > yes, would someone mind > sending me a copy or a reference to his publication? > > Thanks > > Brian Winn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >
Brian- So far as I can determine all Welsh Winn references from 1890 on derive from a letter written by a grandson of Minor Winn of first of VA then SC in which he states his grandfather emigrated to America due to some sort of civil unrest in Wales. This statment has been cited and re re cited and expanded upon over the years to provide a supposed origin of Minor Winn. The actual letter - I believe you may have a copy - is indistinct on this topic certainly not authoritative or could be regarded as a proof quality reference. -Larry On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:42:48 -0800 "Brian Winn" <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> wrote: > > > In re-reading Dean Winn's "Notes on the Winn Family of Virginia, South > Carolina" I see a lengthy quote from Prof. W. Wayne Smith, University of > Idaho regarding the ancient Winns, which is the second or third reference I > have seen to his Winn research > > Did Prof. Smith publish anything on the Winns? If yes, would someone mind > sending me a copy or a reference to his publication? > > Thanks > > Brian Winn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Robert: I do not think I have a copy of the letter, just some quotes from it in Dean Winn's materials Thanks Brian -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT WYNNE Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:34 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] Prof. W. Wayne Smith Brian- So far as I can determine all Welsh Winn references from 1890 on derive from a letter written by a grandson of Minor Winn of first of VA then SC in which he states his grandfather emigrated to America due to some sort of civil unrest in Wales. This statment has been cited and re re cited and expanded upon over the years to provide a supposed origin of Minor Winn. The actual letter - I believe you may have a copy - is indistinct on this topic certainly not authoritative or could be regarded as a proof quality reference. -Larry On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:42:48 -0800 "Brian Winn" <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> wrote: > > > In re-reading Dean Winn's "Notes on the Winn Family of Virginia, South > Carolina" I see a lengthy quote from Prof. W. Wayne Smith, University of > Idaho regarding the ancient Winns, which is the second or third reference I > have seen to his Winn research > > Did Prof. Smith publish anything on the Winns? If yes, would someone mind > sending me a copy or a reference to his publication? > > Thanks > > Brian Winn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Brian- Are you sure you dont have a copy of this handwritten letter ca 1870? I thought I sent you copies of all the letters from the Draper Mss. Collection that include about 10 letters written by descendants of Minor Winn and his brothers to Lyman C. Draper. Draper was an avid collector of Revolutionary War memorabilia, who after the Civil War realized many of the South's family manuscript collections were rapidly disappearing relating to Revolutionary War Patriots. Sometime in the early 1870s Draper proceeded to contact as many Southerners as possible who had Revolutionary War descendants. As a result of his research several of the descendants of Minor Winn, the brother of Col John Winn and Gen Richard Winn of Winnsboro, NC exchanged letters with Draper. I believe this is the first effort to document this line and to point others genealogists who had an expanded interest to Winn material. The topic of the origin of this line of Winn is discussed but it was not until an article appearing in the VA Mag. Of History & Bio published ca 1890 (I think you sent me a copy of the article though I also had scanned the article some years ago) was there any serious thought given to the line of Minor Winn to establish a pedigree or ancestor for this line. As far as I have been able to determine Winn-Jarvis is the best summary of the various VA Winn lines as the authors were well respected theologians who descended via parallel Winn lines through the line of Richard Winn of Middlesex Co., VA. The attribution of a connection to Minor Winn and Wales was given further treatment and the citation of the Draper Mss. appears with Mrs. A. Evans Winn genealogy in which she attempted to discover the origin of Minor Winn. It is in this genealogy that I find the first reference of Minor Winn emigrating from Wales and her source authority is the one letter with the meager reference from a grandson to the family migrating from Wales. The date of migration is deduced by inference from the writers describing generations by grandfather and great grandfather and one is left to assume average generational life spans to arrive at a speculative date of emigration of the ancestor ca 1680 due to some civil unrest in Wales. It is this comment that leads Connie to speculate that the line of Minor Winn was somehow caught on the wrong side of the politics of the time forcing a migration to America. It was during this period in England and Wales the Jacobite Rebellion was underway. The implication here is that Minor Winn and perhaps other family members emigration to VA has something to do with the Jacobite Rebellion. All of this is pure speculation, but it may be true as the politics of the time in England and Wales do correspond with the general time frame set forth in the Draper Mss. Someone in the Minor Winn line should do a timeline of the various Minor Winn genealogies, as it would point to where the myths begin and who they begin with. I have a fair idea of such a chronology. But I think it would be more credible and productive if someone who is descended in this line who is a respected researcher devoted some time to the current understanding of the genealogy of the Minor Winn line and how it arrived in the state it is in today. I vote for you as you have more than a fair amount of original Minor Winn material. I attach a summary of the Winn papers held in the Draper Mss. Col. with some of the originals to follow under separate cover -Larry On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:43:21 -0800 "Brian Winn" <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> wrote: > Robert: I do not think I have a copy of the letter, just some quotes from > it in Dean Winn's materials > > Thanks > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- >From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of ROBERT WYNNE > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:34 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] Prof. W. Wayne Smith > > Brian- So far as I can determine all Welsh Winn references from 1890 on > derive from a letter > written by a grandson of Minor Winn of first of VA then SC in which he > states his grandfather > emigrated to America due to some sort of civil unrest in Wales. This > statment has been cited and > re re cited and expanded upon over the years to provide a supposed origin of > Minor Winn. The > actual letter - I believe you may have a copy - is indistinct on this topic > certainly not > authoritative or could be regarded as a proof quality reference. -Larry > > On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:42:48 -0800 > "Brian Winn" <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> wrote: >> >> >> In re-reading Dean Winn's "Notes on the Winn Family of Virginia, South >> Carolina" I see a lengthy quote from Prof. W. Wayne Smith, University of >> Idaho regarding the ancient Winns, which is the second or third reference > I >> have seen to his Winn research >> >> Did Prof. Smith publish anything on the Winns? If yes, would someone mind >> sending me a copy or a reference to his publication? >> >> Thanks >> >> Brian Winn >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message