Randy- I know you are trying to expand the knowledge base for the "Line of Minor Winn" but there are at least 10 other very reliable sources for this line including family papers held in the Draper Mss. collection from the three Winn's who emigrated from Virginia to the Carolinas and Georgia prior to the first Minor Winn you discuss on your website. I can tell you that there have been at least four very authoritative genealogies which have taken on the Minor Winn saga over the last 50 years and the Minor Winn DNA project which I heartily encourage you to pursue has descendants of some of the real experts of this line. It seems that Winn's from various geographic regions have attempted to put together what they thought was a comprehensive genealogy for this line only now we know through the DNA project that many of the Minor Winn lines thought to be unrelated are in fact related to one another. I strongly suggest you take a look at "Winn-Jarvis" which was written by two very well educated Reverends and sourced by a third who had in their possession Winn family bibles and personal family manuscripts to cite as source authorities for "Winn-Jarvis" and other publications they wrote in the 1930's. The is also the Charles A. & Louise Tompkins Winn, "Winn" genealogy which is authoritative for the area and to the 3rd generation where they lose the trail due to the lost records of Prince William Co., VA. However, I believe your web page introduction requires a complete re-write as the Welsh section is essentially a mythtake. The closest anyone can come to a Welsh heritage for this line of Winn is a letter written by a grandson of Col. John Winn of Winnsboro in which he relates that his grandfather told him that the emigrant came to Virginia as a result of some political conflict in Wales with the family estimating an emigration ca. 1680. There is no mention in this letter of a Gwydir relationship to the family or that it was North Wales that the emigrant left for Virginia. As the American West populated you will find Winn genealogies originating in Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana and lastly in Oregon by Winn descendants who have lived in this regions for 100-150 years. In San Francisco we find Albert Maver Winn who came around the horn in the Gold Rush who was the first President of the National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:25 AM To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] Minor WINN This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rsmart197 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/99.113.116/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please see http://www.ancestor-rescue.com/Winn/WinnMinorH.htm where we are trying to seriously document this family. We can use all the input we can get. Randy C. Smart Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.88/2537 - Release Date: 11/30/09 13:05:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rsmart197 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/99.113.116/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please see http://www.ancestor-rescue.com/Winn/WinnMinorH.htm where we are trying to seriously document this family. We can use all the input we can get. Randy C. Smart Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: WINN Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1651/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WARNER Grace WINN 1895-1976 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 210,252 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BrianWinn97 Surnames: Winn, Mead Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.winn/1650/mb.ashx Message Board Post: While researching John Winn of Amelia Virginia, I came across an interesting reference (below). Does anyone have any further information on this, have a copy of the documentation involved? I have the 1770-2 Journals of the House of Burgesses but will have to track down the 1774 ones. Do the actual documents still exist? Thanks Brian Winn winnsims@winnsims.com 1758: "Papers Relating to the French and Indian War. Amelia -- ss. " In the year 1758 I was ordered out with the Drafted Militia from this county to Bedford & for the use of the Soldiers took & had appraised three Cattle, to three pounds sixteen shillings; at that time I did not know the owner, was the reason no Certificate was given, since which I have been satisfied they were the property of Maj. William Mead. Given under my hand this 3d Sept'r 1770. John Winn." January 1774 John Talbot a Justice in Bedford took an oath from Mead that he never received any satisfaction for cattle; and in May 1774 the House of Burgesses endorsed the petition. Virginia Magazine of History and Biography Vol X - No 1 July 1902: pages 13-15. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Brian, Frederick Boelt is Pres. Of the John Wynne Society and our most knowledgeable John Wynne descendant. Following publication of my book he added numerous additional documentary items to what had been to the family accounts on which it was based. Myles Johnson *************************************** -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Winn Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:34 PM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Myles: What does your " Frederick Boelt" reference refer to?

I don't think that Marty is going to publish another volume unless a ton of new information is unearthed.They did such a great job with this one. Carolyn Winn Markie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> To: <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] WINN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 > Hi Patricia, > Thanks for reminding me of this recent addition to the lore, and esp. fr > the > detailed explanation of its wide scope. I have ordered a copy, as it does > seem to be a full account of the Robert Wynne and apparently a good bit > more. > > It's labeled "Volume I" but I could not find any clue as to whether there > is > or will be a "Vol. II", etc. Do you know? > > Myles Johnson > > ***************************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Patricia Divjak > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:31 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] WINN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 > > Myles, > There is a excellent, well written and updated account of the Wynne and > Allied Families from Early Virginia Counties of Charles City and Prince > George. > The book is titled Winn - Daniel & His Nine Sons, Second Edition, Volume > I. > It has been thoroughly > researched, rewritten and compiled by Warner (Marty) Winn, Stephanie Winn > Miller, > Nancy Weber Winn and the late Naomi Giles Chadwick using microfilm from > the > Library > of Virginia and two family bibles among other various source records. > > Their book has been extensively and exhaustively researched with all known > land, probate, > marriage records available not only in Charles City County and Prince > George > but also in > Lunenburg and Amelia Counties. It is 436 pages and fully indexed. They > present a good > analysis of the Robert Wynne line and how that line intermingles with the > Daniel Winn line of Southside > Virginia. The took can be ordered from www.winndata.com. > > y of the message ... > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Patricia, Thanks for reminding me of this recent addition to the lore, and esp. fr the detailed explanation of its wide scope. I have ordered a copy, as it does seem to be a full account of the Robert Wynne and apparently a good bit more. It's labeled "Volume I" but I could not find any clue as to whether there is or will be a "Vol. II", etc. Do you know? Myles Johnson ***************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Divjak Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:31 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] WINN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 Myles, There is a excellent, well written and updated account of the Wynne and Allied Families from Early Virginia Counties of Charles City and Prince George. The book is titled Winn - Daniel & His Nine Sons, Second Edition, Volume I. It has been thoroughly researched, rewritten and compiled by Warner (Marty) Winn, Stephanie Winn Miller, Nancy Weber Winn and the late Naomi Giles Chadwick using microfilm from the Library of Virginia and two family bibles among other various source records. Their book has been extensively and exhaustively researched with all known land, probate, marriage records available not only in Charles City County and Prince George but also in Lunenburg and Amelia Counties. It is 436 pages and fully indexed. They present a good analysis of the Robert Wynne line and how that line intermingles with the Daniel Winn line of Southside Virginia. The took can be ordered from www.winndata.com. y of the message ...

Randy- Within the last year or so I posted an "if", "and" and "or" or "nor" list for every consonant and vowel permutation that the surname Wynne can take. If you search the message board by my name you ought to be able to find the thread with that topic. With respect to your research for Gwynne or Wynne; both forms are a unique form of the surname and appear in their earliest forms in the Shrewsbury Burgess Roll in the 1300's (Gwydir does not use or refer to the Wynn surname until 1525 at the earliest). The use of the silent pending "e" seems to occur in the Shrewsbury region at that time and is an English linguistics custom laid over a Welsh surname not to mention a lot of other nouns and verbs in the period. Briefly, use of the consonant "g" preceding Wynn or Wynne is almost unique to South Wales so with Gwynne there is something of a time and region "stamp" for the origin of Gwynne. There are some outlying incidences of the use of Gwynn or Gwynne in the north but almost always is presumably used to define a junior or rarely female descent. For example, in the late 16th C there was a collateral line of Gwydir recorded in the Conway Parish Register in which the christenings of the daughters of a Robert Wynn of Plas Mawr are recorded with surnames Gwynn or Gwynne and the sons recorded as Wynn or Wynne. Keep in mind that the Welsh were late to use surnames and very late to assume the use of the surname Wyn or Gwyn and variants. The earliest use of the surname is Anglo/Norman and precedes the use by the Gwydir Wynn's by 300-400 years. Though I have yet to find any surviving descendants whose ancestors use the surname Wyn in the Anglo/Norman era. I can send copies of the Morgan and Reanney Wynn/Gwynn references if you like but I would need your e-mail address as there is no way to post attachments on the board. There are probably several terabytes of data scanned over the years. Most of my research is directed to the 17th C Virginia Wynne's some recorded in the "Virginia Court Books" for the London Company of Virginia and other Wynne's who emigrated later after the dissolution of the Virginia Company and its takeover of the Virginia Colony by the Crown in 1626/7. If you are interested in knowing the holders of the surname Wynne in surviving distincted English lines you would start with the Baron St. Oswald (began as a Wynne then to Winne and now Winn), the Duke of Chandos and Buckingham (the line of Anne Fremantle descendant of Richard Wynne of Montgomershire and the famous Giustiniana Wynne) and the Baronet Williams-Wynn (Gwydir). Are you researching Gwynne or Wynne? I think you are researching Gwynne which is an archaic and unusual form of the surname to survive in that form in the U.S. as almost every emigrant had his surname reduced to a simpler form by some clerk through time. -Larry -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:26 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Great info Larry. Maybe I can, at some point, leave a reference section on my site outlining the various spellings and how to interpret/use them. I've never seen this addressed with any kind of overview of the subject. Thanks for all your help. I hope I can use this as a start. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>; <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > Randy- I'm not sure if you are researching Gwynne or Wynn(e). There is a > big > difference in the history behind each spelling of the surname (see > Morgan-"Welsh Surnames" and P.H. Reaney-"A Dictionary of English > Surnames". > > The Gwydir Wynn's never spelled their surname "Gwynne". This spelling of > the > surname Gwynne is almost always associated with a South Wales borderland's > origin. The Gwydir Wynn spelling convention can be confirmed by a review > of > the Gwydir usage of the surname Wyn - Wynn in the "Calendar of Wynn Papers > 1515-1690" reprinted by John Ballenger, pub. 1926. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common > lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but > I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out > the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) > stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection > vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in > stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who > later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use >> a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn >> of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. >> Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that >> Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Randy is another Minor Winn descendant if that helps. Connie

Randy Listen to Larry he has the BEST info!!! I get bogged down with the DNA search. Connie

In a message dated 11/21/2009 3:33:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, winn-request@rootsweb.com writes: After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I have a propensity to sort things out. This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded and organized. With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the best family history possible considering the information available at this point. Amen, Hooray, Right on! Still looking for Rachel Winn, b, abt 1743, Caroline Co. and Elizabeth Winn, b abt. 1717, Spotsylvania Co. wives of Thomas Fortson, Jr. and Thomas Fortson Sr. respectively Earl Ferguson

Great info Larry. Maybe I can, at some point, leave a reference section on my site outlining the various spellings and how to interpret/use them. I've never seen this addressed with any kind of overview of the subject. Thanks for all your help. I hope I can use this as a start. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>; <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > Randy- I'm not sure if you are researching Gwynne or Wynn(e). There is a > big > difference in the history behind each spelling of the surname (see > Morgan-"Welsh Surnames" and P.H. Reaney-"A Dictionary of English > Surnames". > > The Gwydir Wynn's never spelled their surname "Gwynne". This spelling of > the > surname Gwynne is almost always associated with a South Wales borderland's > origin. The Gwydir Wynn spelling convention can be confirmed by a review > of > the Gwydir usage of the surname Wyn - Wynn in the "Calendar of Wynn Papers > 1515-1690" reprinted by John Ballenger, pub. 1926. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common > lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but > I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out > the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) > stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection > vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in > stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who > later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use >> a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn >> of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. >> Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that >> Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, Thanks again for the help. I've put aside my efforts of delineating the "ancients" on my site. But nothing I've learned convinces me we and not descended from them and, because the proposition has been disseminated so widely, something has to be said. So I plan to leave some references and an overview of what I've found. (Hopefully for later expansion when if we ever make a breakthru). In the process of learning about the old Wales cousins, I spent some time putting the ancestors (and immediate family) of Sir John Wynne as shown at: http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA104-IA2&dq=table+IV+history+of+the+gwydir+family#v=onepage&q=&f=false into a digital database. I plan on putting a GEDCOM on my site should anyone use it. Randy C. Smart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>; <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > Randy- The best possible history of the Gwydir family is "The Wynn Family > of > Gwydir Origins Growth & Development c. 1490-1674 by Prof. J. Gwynfor > Jones, > pub. 1995. Jones (among many other Wynn related material) is also the > author > of the most recent publication of "The History of the Wynn Family of > Gwydir" > by Sir John Wynn which follows with inclusion of a line by line > interpretation of the original text along with a complete Gwydir pedigree > chart for three descents from Royal/Noble Welsh chieftains. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common > lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but > I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out > the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) > stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection > vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in > stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who > later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use >> a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn >> of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. >> Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that >> Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Myles, There is a excellent, well written and updated account of the Wynne and Allied Families from Early Virginia Counties of Charles City and Prince George. The book is titled Winn - Daniel & His Nine Sons, Second Edition, Volume I. It has been thoroughly researched, rewritten and compiled by Warner (Marty) Winn, Stephanie Winn Miller, Nancy Weber Winn and the late Naomi Giles Chadwick using microfilm from the Library of Virginia and two family bibles among other various source records. Their book has been extensively and exhaustively researched with all known land, probate, marriage records available not only in Charles City County and Prince George but also in Lunenburg and Amelia Counties. It is 436 pages and fully indexed. They present a good analysis of the Robert Wynne line and how that line intermingles with the Daniel Winn line of Southside Virginia. The took can be ordered from www.winndata.com. Since I descend from James Winn, son of Daniel Winn, I was extremely interested in the fact that they were so thorough. After reading the book, you will applaud their "devotion" to details. Patricia Divjak James Winn Descendant > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Myles Johnson) > 2. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Brian Winn) > 3. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Randy) > 4. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Robert L. Wynne) > 5. Re: A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles (Robert L. Wynne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:37:26 -0500 > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B14F008C9D06422BA8A9B739760EC95C@DCL5YCB1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Marilyn, > Thanks for the compliment of thinking that I am a fount of Wynne info. In > fact, Larry (Robert Wynne) is right: he is the one who has searched > relentlessly for some 15 yrs now and become the go-to-guy for in-depth > research on Wynnes. > > I do keep score on the Wynne desc. of John Wynne of York co. (d. 1772) and > have kept tabs on these other Wynne line is Va. mainly to be able to keep > the various desc. lines clear. I have not tried to document other lines than > my own but keep hoping that some of these other Va. Winn/Wynne lines will > take the time to produce good, updated, documented accounts of their lines. > > The Robert Wynne of Canterbury, Eng., and Charles City Co., Va., is pretty > well known but even that line could use a good, updated written account. The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of ROBERT CAPPS > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:41 PM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse > I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). > I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he > was in VA.) > > Thanks for keeping everything straight. > > Marilyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:34:00 -0800 > From: "Brian Winn" <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006801ca6a07$a51829e0$ef487da0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Myles: > > What does your " Frederick Boelt" reference refer to? > > Thanks > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Myles Johnson > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Hi Marilyn, > Thanks for the compliment of thinking that I am a fount of Wynne info. In > fact, Larry (Robert Wynne) is right: he is the one who has searched > relentlessly for some 15 yrs now and become the go-to-guy for in-depth > research on Wynnes. > > I do keep score on the Wynne desc. of John Wynne of York co. (d. 1772) and > have kept tabs on these other Wynne line is Va. mainly to be able to keep > the various desc. lines clear. I have not tried to document other lines than > my own but keep hoping that some of these other Va. Winn/Wynne lines will > take the time to produce good, updated, documented accounts of their lines. > > The Robert Wynne of Canterbury, Eng., and Charles City Co., Va., is pretty > well known but even that line could use a good, updated written account. The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of ROBERT CAPPS > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:41 PM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse > I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). > I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he > was in VA.) > > Thanks for keeping everything straight. > > Marilyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:58:25 -0800 > From: "Randy" <rsmart@wavecable.com> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1F5168BFA7FA4E958DFEF38465E28278@WORKSTATION> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=onepage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:26:30 -0800 > From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>, <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D8F5B0DA44149378769B27C24E8A690@RobertWynne> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Randy- The best possible history of the Gwydir family is "The Wynn Family of > Gwydir Origins Growth & Development c. 1490-1674 by Prof. J. Gwynfor Jones, > pub. 1995. Jones (among many other Wynn related material) is also the author > of the most recent publication of "The History of the Wynn Family of Gwydir" > by Sir John Wynn which follows with inclusion of a line by line > interpretation of the original text along with a complete Gwydir pedigree > chart for three descents from Royal/Noble Welsh chieftains. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:44:00 -0800 > From: "Robert L. Wynne" <rlwynne@astound.net> > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > To: "'Randy'" <rsmart@ancestor-rescue.com>, <winn@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F4674A2EBD4D429A9115DAD25DC89A35@RobertWynne> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Randy- I'm not sure if you are researching Gwynne or Wynn(e). There is a big > difference in the history behind each spelling of the surname (see > Morgan-"Welsh Surnames" and P.H. Reaney-"A Dictionary of English Surnames". > > The Gwydir Wynn's never spelled their surname "Gwynne". This spelling of the > surname Gwynne is almost always associated with a South Wales borderland's > origin. The Gwydir Wynn spelling convention can be confirmed by a review of > the Gwydir usage of the surname Wyn - Wynn in the "Calendar of Wynn Papers > 1515-1690" reprinted by John Ballenger, pub. 1926. -Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Randy > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM > To: winn@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > Myles, > > I agree. > > After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines > and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've > decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I > > think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I > have a propensity to sort things out. > > This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, > working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to > solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded > and organized. > > With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site > covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best > guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual > information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the > best family history possible considering the information available at this > point. > > Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available > online at: > http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on > epage&q=&f=false) > shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought > too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred > > up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir > John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" > lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no > mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague > and have noted my Winn History as such. > > Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone > and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat > inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of > such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later > attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. > The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of > documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. > Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: > > A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial > appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in > defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than > reason. > > However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am > banking on reason. ;-) > > Randy C. Smart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> > To: <winn@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles > > > The >> Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a >> good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of >> Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about >> his >> line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old >> and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick >> Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would >> solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. >> >> The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing >> confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories >> straight would be a great service. >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ****************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WINN list administrator, send an email to > WINN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WINN mailing list, send an email to WINN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WINN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 148 > ************************************

Randy- I'm not sure if you are researching Gwynne or Wynn(e). There is a big difference in the history behind each spelling of the surname (see Morgan-"Welsh Surnames" and P.H. Reaney-"A Dictionary of English Surnames". The Gwydir Wynn's never spelled their surname "Gwynne". This spelling of the surname Gwynne is almost always associated with a South Wales borderland's origin. The Gwydir Wynn spelling convention can be confirmed by a review of the Gwydir usage of the surname Wyn - Wynn in the "Calendar of Wynn Papers 1515-1690" reprinted by John Ballenger, pub. 1926. -Larry -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Myles, I agree. After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I have a propensity to sort things out. This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded and organized. With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the best family history possible considering the information available at this point. Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available online at: http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on epage&q=&f=false) shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague and have noted my Winn History as such. Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am banking on reason. ;-) Randy C. Smart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> To: <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about > his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn, Thanks for the compliment of thinking that I am a fount of Wynne info. In fact, Larry (Robert Wynne) is right: he is the one who has searched relentlessly for some 15 yrs now and become the go-to-guy for in-depth research on Wynnes. I do keep score on the Wynne desc. of John Wynne of York co. (d. 1772) and have kept tabs on these other Wynne line is Va. mainly to be able to keep the various desc. lines clear. I have not tried to document other lines than my own but keep hoping that some of these other Va. Winn/Wynne lines will take the time to produce good, updated, documented accounts of their lines. The Robert Wynne of Canterbury, Eng., and Charles City Co., Va., is pretty well known but even that line could use a good, updated written account. The Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about his line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories straight would be a great service. Myles Johnson ****************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT CAPPS Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:41 PM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Myles, I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he was in VA.) Thanks for keeping everything straight. Marilyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Randy- The best possible history of the Gwydir family is "The Wynn Family of Gwydir Origins Growth & Development c. 1490-1674 by Prof. J. Gwynfor Jones, pub. 1995. Jones (among many other Wynn related material) is also the author of the most recent publication of "The History of the Wynn Family of Gwydir" by Sir John Wynn which follows with inclusion of a line by line interpretation of the original text along with a complete Gwydir pedigree chart for three descents from Royal/Noble Welsh chieftains. -Larry -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Randy Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:58 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Myles, I agree. After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I have a propensity to sort things out. This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded and organized. With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the best family history possible considering the information available at this point. Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available online at: http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=on epage&q=&f=false) shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague and have noted my Winn History as such. Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am banking on reason. ;-) Randy C. Smart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> To: <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about > his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ****************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Myles, I agree. After waiting many years for all the "founts" to unravel their common lines and provide serious documentation suitable for easy referencing, I've decided to get involved myself. I'm not that well-trained in genealogy but I think I'm a fair analyst and accurate documenter. Being also part Scott, I have a propensity to sort things out. This winter, I am pursuing a effort to accurately document my direct line, working backward. In this, I have found some help on this list. We hope to solicit even more help when most of the immediate documentation is loaded and organized. With a little time and help, I hope we can provide a good reference site covering what we actually know between us and augmented with the best guesses we can make (labeled/sourced as such). Providing contextual information on sources, the Internet provides an opportunity to put out the best family history possible considering the information available at this point. Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented by Sir John Wynne (available online at: http://books.google.com/books?id=DCoAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA62&dq=history+gwydir#v=onepage&q=&f=false) shows how the direct line ended, even after circumventing one heir thought too ugly, with his broken nose, to rule. Another heir, Llewelan (sp) stirred up a commotion over the issue and a lot of heads rolled. Shortly after Sir John Wynne's time, you see the direct line being swamped by the "bastard" lines and a plethora of cousins moving all over northern Wales. I found no mention of America or any sea captains. I now consider the connection vague and have noted my Winn History as such. Let us remember that, although the Gwynne family history is carved in stone and embedded in a stone chapel, its genealogy has been found somewhat inaccurate. If we conclude a family relationship exists, make notation of such, and ignore the actual evidence, we do a disservice to those who later attempt to straighten out our errors without access to the actual source. The lessons of good documentation--the humility to consider the nuances of documentation--is something we should continue to remind each other of. Thomas Paine said something completely timeless in Common Sense: A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. However, in the hope that reason can make more converts with time, I am banking on reason. ;-) Randy C. Smart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj33@comcast.net> To: <winn@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles The > Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a > good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of > Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about > his > line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old > and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick > Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would > solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. > > The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing > confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories > straight would be a great service. > > Myles Johnson > > ******************************************************

Myles: What does your " Frederick Boelt" reference refer to? Thanks Brian -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Myles Johnson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:37 AM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Hi Marilyn, Thanks for the compliment of thinking that I am a fount of Wynne info. In fact, Larry (Robert Wynne) is right: he is the one who has searched relentlessly for some 15 yrs now and become the go-to-guy for in-depth research on Wynnes. I do keep score on the Wynne desc. of John Wynne of York co. (d. 1772) and have kept tabs on these other Wynne line is Va. mainly to be able to keep the various desc. lines clear. I have not tried to document other lines than my own but keep hoping that some of these other Va. Winn/Wynne lines will take the time to produce good, updated, documented accounts of their lines. The Robert Wynne of Canterbury, Eng., and Charles City Co., Va., is pretty well known but even that line could use a good, updated written account. The Minor Winn line is, I think, unnecessarily confused and surely could use a good. Clear account. Ditto Richard Winn of Middlesex co. And Hugh Gwynn of Gwynn's Is. & Gloucester co. has never had a good account written about his line. And the account I wrote on John Wynne's line is now over 20 yrs. Old and badly needs updating with the corrections and additions that Frederick Boelt has compiled in those 20+ yrs. I've kept waiting in hopes we would solve the John Wynne ancestry problem. The different versions of the descendant lines seem to be what is causing confusion in the interpretation of DNA results, so getting their stories straight would be a great service. Myles Johnson ****************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: winn-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:winn-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT CAPPS Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:41 PM To: winn@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] A Gwynne/Winn Situation for Myles Myles, I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he was in VA.) Thanks for keeping everything straight. Marilyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WINN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Myles, I just wish that you would get everything you have an publish it. Of couse I would really like for you to find my George Winn (married to Rose Bush). I still think he fell from the sky and landed in NC (still can't prove he was in VA.) Thanks for keeping everything straight. Marilyn