This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/651 Message Board Post: George Washington Winn, William Harper Winn, Joseph Franklin Winn, James Winn, Oliver Winn, Othella Winn Richardson, John R. Winn, Rhoda Winn, Amanda Winn Turner, Hillary Winn, James M. Winn, Edwin Winn, Gina Winn - Do you have any info on these people? I am stuck - need any possible!! Thank you kindly in advance! Sandy McCall

Jack and Alex, Thanks Alex for the website of Meinert Doodes & Doodes Minor. I remember now why I dismissed the idea that perhaps Elizabeth the daughter of Doodes Minor might be the wife of a John Winn. Doodes Minor refers to his daughter as Elizabeth Mickleburrough and I had the impression that she was married to a Mr. Mickleburrough. I never really researched to find out about the surname Mickleburrough. Has anyone else researched Elizabeth (Minor) Mickleburrough? Deanna ----- Original Message ----- From: <CatMom1@aol.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: [WINN] Meinert Doodes and his son Doodes Minor > Here is a website with the wills of Meinert Doodes and his son Doodes Minor. > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bianco/Resources/Doodes%20Minor.html > > Most of my research pertaining to my husband's family is centered in northern > Germany, near the Dutch border. I do know from what I have learned trying to > track down his family is that it is quite common to refer to family branches > as either "Minor" or "Small" in order to keep it straight. It was also > common to take your father's name as your last name in Northern countries, > such as John, son of William, would be John Williamson. If John's son was > named William, rather than being called William Williamson, he would be > William Johnson. > > I think that's what is going on with the family of Meinert Doodes. He refers > to his son as Doodes Minor, or "the younger Doodes." Doodes Minor, in turn, > refers to his son as "Minor Minor." It appears to be a designation for the > oldest son. Actual proof of marriage into the Winn family bears closer > investigation. > > Alex > >

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL OF YOU FROM MY HOUSE TO YOUR AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR---Carol Winn Ott

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Thank you Carol, the blessings of the Season to you and yours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Ott" <cott@iopener.net> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: [WINN] Off Subject--Greetings > HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL OF YOU FROM MY HOUSE TO YOUR > > AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR---Carol Winn Ott > >

Here is a website with the wills of Meinert Doodes and his son Doodes Minor. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bianco/Resources/Doodes%20Minor.html Most of my research pertaining to my husband's family is centered in northern Germany, near the Dutch border. I do know from what I have learned trying to track down his family is that it is quite common to refer to family branches as either "Minor" or "Small" in order to keep it straight. It was also common to take your father's name as your last name in Northern countries, such as John, son of William, would be John Williamson. If John's son was named William, rather than being called William Williamson, he would be William Johnson. I think that's what is going on with the family of Meinert Doodes. He refers to his son as Doodes Minor, or "the younger Doodes." Doodes Minor, in turn, refers to his son as "Minor Minor." It appears to be a designation for the oldest son. Actual proof of marriage into the Winn family bears closer investigation. Alex

EA Ferguson wrote: > But it was my history! Now I have some questions. If this Winn-Minor marriage > didn't exist, who was Minor Winn? (The first one). And who were his parents? My Question IS: Does anyone know the use of the name "Minor" ? Today at times if a son is named the same as his father he might be called "Junior". Could that be a possible use of the name "Minor" in the 1700's? Was Minor Winn called "Minor" because he was really named after his father? And we really don't know his true given name? There is a book titled: "The Winns of Fairfield County (SC), Colonel John Winn, William Winn, General Richard Winn" by Buford S. Chappell, M.D. Buford Chappell wrote that Minor Winn was the first of his lineage to arrive in VA from Wales. I can offer some info in that Minor Winn was a carpenter and he may have been more like today that we refer to a contractor: TLC Genealogy: Halifax Co VA, Feb. Court 1768: To Minor Winn for repairing the Prison 22. 19. 0 lbs. and Fauquier Co Minute Book, 1764-1768 (Sparacio) p. 11 p. 201: 31 Jul 1766: Minor Winn is allowed liberty to repair and use the Old Courthouse during the pleasure of the court. To learn the trade of carpentry Minor Winn was probably bounded out to another carpenter either in the colonies or Wales unless his father was a carpenter, too. Which is very possible. Deanna.

Have been unable to check or reply to email for a week but I wanted to throw the name of Doodes Minor (Dutch sea Captain) into this discussion. There was speculation at one time that he might have had a daughter named Elizabeth who married John Winn. He suipposedly lived in the area with John Winn. Jack Wynn >The question of John Winn - Elizabeth Minor seems to be pretty well laid to >rest, at least in Westmoreland County (VA). While my line was tied to this, I >have had serious doubts, as have many of us on this list. Myles has done a >great service in disproving (if that can ever be done) what looks like a >widespread and incorrect bit of history. > >But it was my history! Now I have some questions. If this Winn-Minor marriage >didn't exist, who was Minor Winn? (The first one). And who were his parents? >Minor is not a common given name, yet it has been so used at frequently in >the Winn family. It also appeared in my Fortson line, which is also my Winn >connection. If there is n o Minor - Winn marriage, why was Minor used as a >given name for several generations? >There must be a connection. > >To review my Winn lineage, in hopes that some one can help document some of >the

List, please forgive me, I don't have Leonard's email address. Leonard, thank you for the phone call; please send me your email address thanks marywinn@cfl.rr.com Am looking forward to the email you are sending.

No, I haven't. Thanks for the suggestion.

EAFerguson wrote: > If there is n o Minor - Winn marriage, why was Minor used as a > given name for several generations? > There must be a connection. Not necessarily. In the Amelia/Nottoway Winn family, for instance, Richard Winn & Jane Pincham's daughter married as her second husband Warner Guy. The name Warner Guy was picked up and used by her nephew in Franklin Co., NC for one of his children, and it is still being used. There have been 4 or 5 generations of Warner Winns there, and that family has no Warner ancestors at all. Ann -- Ann Avery Hunter Richmond, Virginia mailto:annh@erols.com

The question of John Winn - Elizabeth Minor seems to be pretty well laid to rest, at least in Westmoreland County (VA). While my line was tied to this, I have had serious doubts, as have many of us on this list. Myles has done a great service in disproving (if that can ever be done) what looks like a widespread and incorrect bit of history. But it was my history! Now I have some questions. If this Winn-Minor marriage didn't exist, who was Minor Winn? (The first one). And who were his parents? Minor is not a common given name, yet it has been so used at frequently in the Winn family. It also appeared in my Fortson line, which is also my Winn connection. If there is n o Minor - Winn marriage, why was Minor used as a given name for several generations? There must be a connection. To review my Winn lineage, in hopes that some one can help document some of the

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Have you tried the 1865 state census for Kansas. I think they have the state census there I know Iowa does. It should list the names of their children if there were some. Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: Pooolside@aol.com <Pooolside@aol.com> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: [WINN] Re: James Marion WINN, b. 1841, Wilson County, TN >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/641.1.1 > >Message Board Post: > > > >Melissa, thank you so much! What I'd really like to know and, if posssible, have copies of the licenses for his, my great grandfather's, first two marriages to Maria Dougherty and Myra Abbott. And to see if there were any children. of either or both of those marriages. I am thinking that there mights have been and that, perhaps, the parents of his young wives took care of the children after their daughters died. There is no evidence of them where he lived later in Illinois. His third marriage was to Nancy Etheridge who was my great-grandmother. > >These were the marriages that i'd like to know more about. If you can help I would appreciate it very much. Thank you for the offer. > > spouse: Dougherty, Maria (*1842 - 1862) >- m. 1861 in Paola, Kansas > >spouse: Abbott, Myra (*1843 - 1868) >- m. 1862 in Ft. Scott, Kansas > >spouse: Etheridge, Nancy Malinda Jane (1850 - 1923) >- m. 19 AUG 1869 in Marion Co, Illinois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Thought this might be of interest to everyone....Just a little history... > > Happy Holidays, > > Marilyn > > Section IV. > > WELSH ARCHERY. > > (Continued) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [ Previous > <http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emarcelo/archery/library/books/book_of_archery/chapter04/chapter4_4.html> > | Contents > <http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emarcelo/archery/library/books/book_of_archery/> > | Chapter 5 > <http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emarcelo/archery/library/books/book_of_archery/chapter05/chapter5.html> > ] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Like too many of his class in that age and country, Gam had embroiled > himself in a violent domestic feud. During an affray which took place > in the High Street of Brecknock,he unfortunately killed his kinsman, > and, to shun the threatened consequences, sought an asylum in England. > The dependency of his estate on the honour of Hereford rendered him, > like Howel Sele, a determined partisan of the Lancastrians; like him, > too, he made an ineffectual attempt on the life of Owen Glendower. > > David Gam held a command of archers on the field of Agincourt; and it > is said that, being despatched by the King to reconnoitre the enemy, > and report upon their numbers, he returned with this laconic estimate: > "an't please your highness, there are enow to be killed, enow to be > taken prisoners, and enow to run away." Historians have passed many > encomiums on his velour and conduct --Sir Walter Raleigh even goes so > far as to compare him to Hannibal-- but they make no mention of this > circumstance, which might perhaps be known only to his fellow > countrymen in arms; unless, indeed, Elmham has given a false colouring > to the transaction. He mentions that scouts were despatched by the > Duke of York to gain intelligence of the enemy's approach, when one of > them, who had climbed to the summit of a hill, saw the whole French > host, to the number of sixty thousand, stretching far and wide over > the plain beneath, which seemed on a blaze, as their polished harness > reflected the beams of a splendid noontide sun. Astonished at the > sight, he retreated with a trembling heart and the utmost speed of his > horse, and, breathless, reached the English camp;-- "Quickly," said > he, "be prepared to do battle, for you are about to fight against a > world of innumerable people." > > These three valiant Welshmen, Gam, Vaughan, and Llwyd, fell covered > with wounds whilst defending the person of their monarch, and Henry > knighted them as they lay extended in the agonies of death upon the > gory bed of honour. Sir S. R. Meyrick remarks, that the above Sir > Roger Vaughan was married to Gwladis, Sir David Gam's daughter. > Agincourt made her, as it made many besides, a widow; but she > afterwards married another hero of that day, Sir William Thomas, of > Ragland, one of the ancestors of the present Duke of Beaufort. > > I have been induced to enter thus largely into the biography of these > three individuals, because their chivalrous self-devotedness stands so > conspicuous in the annals of that memorable contest. Their heroism, no > less than Henry's Welsh extraction, gave rise to the following > spirited burst of poetry, entitled-- > > OUR CAMBRO-BRITONS TO THEIR HARP > > > Fair stood the wind for France, > When we our sails advance, > Nor now to prove our chance, > Longer will tarry. > But putting to the main, > At Kaux the mouth of Seine, > With all his martial train, > Landed King Harry. > > And taking many a fort, > Furnished in warlike sort, > Marched towards Agincourt, > In happy hour. > Skirmishing by day > With those that stopped his way, > Where the French general lay, > With all his power. > > And turning to his men, > Quoth our brave Henry then, > "Though we be one to ten, > Be not amazed: > Yet have we well begun; > Battles so bravely won > Have never seen the sun, > By fame been raised. > > "And for myself," quoth he, > "This my full rest shall be, > England ne'er mourn for me, > Nor more esteem me. > Victor I will remain, > Or on this earth lie slain; > Never shall she sustain > Loss to redeem me. > > "Poictiers and Cressy tell, > When most their pride did swell, > Under our swords they fell. > No less our skill is, > Than when our grandsire great, > Claiming the regal seat, > By many a warlike feat > Lopt the French lilies." > > They now to fight are gone; > Armour on armour shone, > Drum now to drum did groan; > To hear was wonder; > That with the cries they make > The very earth did shake; > Trumpet to trumpet spake, > Thunder to thunder. > > Well it shine age became, > O noble Erpingham! > Who did the signal aim > For our brave forces; > When from a meadow by, > Like a storm suddenly, > The English archery > Struck the French horses. > > With Spanish yew so strong, > Arrows a cloth-yard long, > That like to serpents stung, > Piercing the weather. > None from his fellow starts, > But playing manly parts, > And like true English hearts, > Stuck close together. > > When down their bows they threw, > And forth their bilboes drew, > And on the French they flew, > Not one was tardy; > Arms were from shoulders sent, > Scalps to the teeth were rent; > Down the French peasants went: > Our men were hardy. > > This while our noble king, > His broadsword brandishing, > Down the French host did ding, > As to o'erwhelm it; > And many a deep wound lent, > His arms with blood besprent, > And many a cruel dent > Bruised his helmet. > > GLO'STER, that duke so good, > Next of the royal blood, > For famous England stood > With his brave brother > CLARENCE, in steel so bright; > Though but a maiden knight, > Yet in that furious fight, > Scarce such another. > > WARWICK in blood did wade, > OXFORD the foe invade, > And cruel slaughter made, > Still as they ran up. > SUFFOLK his axe did ply, > BEAUMONT and WlLLOUGHBY > Bare them right doughtily, > FERRERS and FANHOPE. > > Upon St. Crispin's day, > Fought was this noble fray, > Which fame did not delay > In England to carry. > Oh! when shall Englishmen > With such acts fill a pen, > Or Cambria breed again > Such a King Harry? > > The enthusiasm attendant on the revival of archery in England towards > the close of the last century, quickly reached the Principality. Of > the numerous societies formed there, the first in rank and consequence > is the Royal British Bowmen. It includes nearly all the leading > families of North Wales, and was originally founded by Sir Watkin > Williams Wynne, Bart., in whose park of Wynnstay, Denbighshire, the > Royal British Bowmen hold their meetings. His Majesty George the > Fourth, when Prince of Wales, not only condescended to become their > patron, but presented them with several beautiful prizes. The prize > arrows, for both ladies and gentlemen, were first shot for, October > the 6th, 1788, when Sir Foster Cunliffe, a well-known archer, won the > former, and Miss Harriot Boycott the latter. His Royal Highness > likewise presented them with a superb gold medallion, and a silver > bugle. They were ably contested at Acton Park, when the former was > gained by Lady Cunliffe, at 30, 60, and 70 yards; the latter by R. > Hesketh, of Rossell, Esq., at 64, 96, and 128 yards. > > The Society of Royal British Bowmen still survives in all its original > splendour. Their uniform is green and buff, with black hat and > feather. I may minister to the "hæc olim meminisse juvabit" of many an > ancient bowman, by adding a list of those ladies and gentlemen who > early joined this society. > > Sir W. W. Wynne, > Lady Wynne, > Sir Foster Cunliffe, > Lady Cunliffe, > Lord Carysfort, > Lady Carysfort, > Messrs. Bunbury, Mrs. Cooke, > > St. Leger, Mrs. Puleston, > > P. L. Fletcher, Mrs. Apperley, > > Maurice Wynne, Miss Parry, > > O. Bridgeman, Mrs. Hammerston, > > Jones, Miss Hammerston, > > Warrington, Mrs. Fletcher, > > Hammerston, Miss Fletcher, > Master Wynne. Mrs. G. Warrington, > > > Mrs. Jones. > > Oh loyal in grief, and in danger unshaken, > For ages still true, though for ages forsaken; > Yet, Cambria, thy heart may to gladness awaken, > Since thy monarch has smiled on thy harp and thy bow! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [ Previous > <http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emarcelo/archery/library/books/book_of_archery/chapter04/chapter4_4.html> > | Contents > <http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emarcelo/archery/library/books/book_of_archery/> > | Chapter 5 > <http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Emarcelo/archery/library/books/book_of_archery/chapter05/chapter5.html> > ] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Winn, Wynne Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/650 Message Board Post: Looking for family information on Andrew Wynne Born Abt. 1854 in Alabama; his father was born in Alabama, Mother born in Virgina. Wife Nellie Butler Born Abt. 1856 in North Carolina; mother/father also born in North Carolina. Found Andrew Wynne in 1900 census. Trying to find info on his parents.

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Hi Terry, The Dr. John Wynne of St. Mary's, Md. is certainly a different man, with a different ancestry, I am sure. We have no knowledge of the ancestry or John Winn of Westmoreland Co., Va. I know little of the Wynne family in Maryland and would be interested in any account of them that you can work out. Did you know there is still a "Wynnes", supposedly a town in St. Mary's Co., Md. I went there recently and found only a bait chack. From the location on the tip of a peninsula, it looks to me like there might have been a ferry crossing. Myles Johnson ************************************************** THardgrave@aol.com wrote: > > Myles-- > Would you then conclude that there was only one Dr. John Wynne in the area then, and that is has to be the Dr. John Wynne who lived and died in St. Mary's, and who we think or have been lead to believe, was from Guisborough, England?? By the way, I am working with a researcher from that area who will be doing some work for me in trying to find out if this Dr. John Wynne was in fact from there, and that his parents are in fact Richard Wynne and Anne Colthurst. Preliminary work does show the above couple living there, and there is a will on file for Richard Wynne, and having a son named John, and the time frame does fit...just no solid connection that they are the same John Wynne. Appreciate your thoughts on all of this!! > > Terry Hardgrave

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/641.1.1 Message Board Post: Melissa, thank you so much! What I'd really like to know and, if posssible, have copies of the licenses for his, my great grandfather's, first two marriages to Maria Dougherty and Myra Abbott. And to see if there were any children. of either or both of those marriages. I am thinking that there mights have been and that, perhaps, the parents of his young wives took care of the children after their daughters died. There is no evidence of them where he lived later in Illinois. His third marriage was to Nancy Etheridge who was my great-grandmother. These were the marriages that i'd like to know more about. If you can help I would appreciate it very much. Thank you for the offer. spouse: Dougherty, Maria (*1842 - 1862) - m. 1861 in Paola, Kansas spouse: Abbott, Myra (*1843 - 1868) - m. 1862 in Ft. Scott, Kansas spouse: Etheridge, Nancy Malinda Jane (1850 - 1923) - m. 19 AUG 1869 in Marion Co, Illinois