Ken, Are you saying that there are remnants of burned documents???? that are actually where you can see them? Cuz Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken adams" <avkadams@yahoo.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: [WINN] records > Not sure if I posted this or not. Just looked at some of the old burned records of King William, Va. Found many partial deeds of Winns. It appears that Sarah moved to Mississipi with her son, because land transfers to her children were witnessed in Mississippi. She was married to Gloucester Winn, who was born approximately 1730. There are deeds listed of most of the offspring of those two. Ken > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >

Not sure if I posted this or not. Just looked at some of the old burned records of King William, Va. Found many partial deeds of Winns. It appears that Sarah moved to Mississipi with her son, because land transfers to her children were witnessed in Mississippi. She was married to Gloucester Winn, who was born approximately 1730. There are deeds listed of most of the offspring of those two. Ken --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

There are several reasons I've heard. One of the reasons is that it was a family name, originally spelled Mynor. This family can be traced in England. There are some theories that say an Elizabeth Mynor married into the Wynne family. This has never been proven. However, I will say that it isn't until immediately after this supposed marriage that the name Minor begins appearing in the Wynne family line. For us amature genealogists, we like this theory. For the pros, it drives them nuts because there isn't proof. -----Original Message----- From: Myles Johnson [mailto:mylesj@his.com] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:34 PM To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn Hi Jack, Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it relate to an earlier link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a link between the Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? Myles Johnson ******************************************************* jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: > > Myles; > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne Minor R. > Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne Minor Darius Wynne, son > of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas > Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've > not been able to attach him yet > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > Jack > > >Hi Barbara, > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > >can't help with your question. > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > >family of Col. Robert Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't > >think Minor has ever been linked to that line > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Myles Johnson > > > >************************************************* > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > >>1728. > >> > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > >> > >> Thanks! Barb > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Myles Johnson > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > >> > >> Hi, > >> I can't help responding to this. > >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > >>that the John Winn recorded > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > >>only three other > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > >>This John was almost > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > >>connected to any family at all. > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > >>'explain' another guess -- > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > >>notes (last page). Miner > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > >>reader is referred to Denis > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > >>doc that ties any of them to > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > >>appear in early Va. > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > >>assigned by careless writers > >> to John & Eliz. > >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > >>actually locate the parents > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > >>please consider doing so. > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > >>named her in his will as > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > >>brothers, she was prob. still > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > >>made further unlikely > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > >>not even any evidence > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > >>sons to John Winn seem to > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > >>have come from John. > >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > >>no other apparent > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > >family was a fairly > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > >>possible parents for the Minor > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > >> > >> Myles Johnson > >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > >> > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland Co., > >>VA. She married > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > >> > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > >> > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). ______________________________

Myles, Could you list some of the publications for Co. Robert Wynn? Marilyn

doggonnit, it's nice to have you back! Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: The Thill Group Inc To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: [WINN] WYNNE WILLS address correction Cuz's, This is the correct address for that Will web site. Poolside e-mailed she was having a problem posting the address with out it messing it up. The Address IS! http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html Hugs Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net http://www.ttg-inc.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/

I seem to remember some Minors in King William county, Va in the early/mid 1800s. Some of you are aware of a Gloucester Winn born in King William in 1732 and his descendants are listed in mid 1800s, one a Ferdinand going thru Pamunkey Indian Resevation on way to live with Chickahominy Indians. Ken I also have seen some on land deeds in King William county, and I believe there were also Minors in King William at the time...... ??? DEANNA AMES <tdames@worldnet.att.net> wrote:Jack , Myles & All, *Question. Is it possible that the use of the name "Minor" in the Winn families was really another way of saying "Junior" as we would use the word "Junior" today? *Another question I have --- Is there "one common ancestor" that the "Minor Winns" in VA descend from except for the Minor Winn who married Margaret Conner? We know it isn't John & Elizabeth Winn or Minor & Ann Bird Winn since these 2 families were more likely than not fictional. Since researchers today have not been able to find documentation to support any marriage between a John Winn & an Elizabeth Minor or a Minor Winn & an Ann Bird. Please correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe that documentation has been found to prove that a Minor Winn earlier than the Minor Winn who married Margaret Conner existed in VA. Thanks. Deanna ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > Myles; > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > Jack > > > > >Hi Barbara, > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > >can't help with your > >question. > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > >family of Col. Robert > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > >been linked to that line > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Myles Johnson > > > >************************************************* > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > >>1728. > >> > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > >> > >> Thanks! Barb > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Myles Johnson > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > >> > >> Hi, > >> I can't help responding to this. > >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > >>that the John Winn recorded > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > >>only three other > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > >>This John was almost > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > >>connected to any family at all. > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > >>'explain' another guess -- > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > >>notes (last page). Miner > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > >>reader is referred to Denis > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > >>doc that ties any of them to > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > >>appear in early Va. > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > >>assigned by careless writers > >> to John & Eliz. > >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > >>actually locate the parents > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > >>please consider doing so. > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > >>named her in his will as > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > >>brothers, she was prob. still > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > >>made further unlikely > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > >>not even any evidence > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > >>sons to John Winn seem to > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > >>have come from John. > >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > >>no other apparent > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > >family was a fairly > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > >>possible parents for the Minor > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > >> > >> Myles Johnson > >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > >> > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > >>Co., VA. She married > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > >> > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > >> > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Yes I have her parents, but need his parents and their children. Thanks for the suggestion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn" <Clifton@inna.net> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] John Winn m. Lucy Younger > If you will go to Ancestory.com and type in Lucy Younger, there will be 3 > entries in the records that deal with the Lucy Ypunger married to John Winn. > No further information is given on him, but there is information on her > parents/grandparents, etc. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Martin" <elizabethmartin@cox.net> > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:35 PM > Subject: [WINN] John Winn m. Lucy Younger > > > > I am looking for any information on this couple, particularly his parents, > marriage date and place and children of the couple. They would have each > been born about 1774. She lived in Halifax County, VA.. I suspect, but have > no documentation, that they are the parents of my GGG grandfather, William > Younger Winn, because he was involved with the estates of several of Lucy > Younger Winn's sisters. Family oral history has that the Winns came from > Lunenburg or Mecklenburg county, but there are so many Winns there, I > haven't found the right connection yet. > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Elizabeth Martin > > > > > >

If you will go to Ancestory.com and type in Lucy Younger, there will be 3 entries in the records that deal with the Lucy Ypunger married to John Winn. No further information is given on him, but there is information on her parents/grandparents, etc. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Martin" <elizabethmartin@cox.net> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: [WINN] John Winn m. Lucy Younger > I am looking for any information on this couple, particularly his parents, marriage date and place and children of the couple. They would have each been born about 1774. She lived in Halifax County, VA.. I suspect, but have no documentation, that they are the parents of my GGG grandfather, William Younger Winn, because he was involved with the estates of several of Lucy Younger Winn's sisters. Family oral history has that the Winns came from Lunenburg or Mecklenburg county, but there are so many Winns there, I haven't found the right connection yet. > > Thanks for any help, > > Elizabeth Martin > >

I am looking for any information on this couple, particularly his parents, marriage date and place and children of the couple. They would have each been born about 1774. She lived in Halifax County, VA.. I suspect, but have no documentation, that they are the parents of my GGG grandfather, William Younger Winn, because he was involved with the estates of several of Lucy Younger Winn's sisters. Family oral history has that the Winns came from Lunenburg or Mecklenburg county, but there are so many Winns there, I haven't found the right connection yet. Thanks for any help, Elizabeth Martin

Jack , Myles & All, *Question. Is it possible that the use of the name "Minor" in the Winn families was really another way of saying "Junior" as we would use the word "Junior" today? *Another question I have --- Is there "one common ancestor" that the "Minor Winns" in VA descend from except for the Minor Winn who married Margaret Conner? We know it isn't John & Elizabeth Winn or Minor & Ann Bird Winn since these 2 families were more likely than not fictional. Since researchers today have not been able to find documentation to support any marriage between a John Winn & an Elizabeth Minor or a Minor Winn & an Ann Bird. Please correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe that documentation has been found to prove that a Minor Winn earlier than the Minor Winn who married Margaret Conner existed in VA. Thanks. Deanna ----- Original Message ----- From: <jwynn@mindspring.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > Myles; > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > Jack > > > > >Hi Barbara, > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > >can't help with your > >question. > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > >family of Col. Robert > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > >been linked to that line > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Myles Johnson > > > >************************************************* > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > >>1728. > >> > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > >> > >> Thanks! Barb > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Myles Johnson > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > >> > >> Hi, > >> I can't help responding to this. > >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > >>that the John Winn recorded > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > >>only three other > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > >>This John was almost > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > >>connected to any family at all. > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > >>'explain' another guess -- > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > >>notes (last page). Miner > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > >>reader is referred to Denis > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > >>doc that ties any of them to > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > >>appear in early Va. > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > >>assigned by careless writers > >> to John & Eliz. > >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > >>actually locate the parents > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > >>please consider doing so. > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > >>named her in his will as > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > >>brothers, she was prob. still > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > >>made further unlikely > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > >>not even any evidence > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > >>sons to John Winn seem to > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > >>have come from John. > >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > >>no other apparent > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > >family was a fairly > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > >>possible parents for the Minor > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > >> > >> Myles Johnson > >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > >> > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > >>Co., VA. She married > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > >> > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > >> > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FgWBAEB/276.301.345.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Darlene, I am sorry but none of those names come up in my database. Good luck.

THANK YOU! ----- Original Message ----- From: "e.franklin" <e.franklin@mchsi.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] WYNNE Wills > Try this http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phyllis Phillips > To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WINN] WYNNE Wills > > > Let's try a different way, I could not open this! > > Phyllis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PooolSide@aol.com> > To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:43 PM > Subject: [WINN] WYNNE Wills > > > > > > > > Aloha kakahiaka from Kailua! (Good mawnin'!) > > > > Cuzzins, have you seen this small collection of documents (mainly wills) > for > > Robert Wynne, Mayor of Canterbury; William Wattmer (brother of Frances); > > Peter Wynne; Thomas Wynne; Sloman Wynne; Maj John Stith; his son John; > and Drury > > Stith , all transcribed by Dorothy Tuttle? > > > > > > If not, go here: > > > > > > <A > HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html">http://homepage > s.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html</A> > > > > Let me know if you have any problems opening the url and I will "find a > way" > > for you. But first, try. <GRIN> > > > > Andie Harris > > > > > > > > > >

Cuz's, This is the correct address for that Will web site. Poolside e-mailed she was having a problem posting the address with out it messing it up. The Address IS! http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html Hugs Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net http://www.ttg-inc.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/

Try this http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Phyllis Phillips To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] WYNNE Wills Let's try a different way, I could not open this! Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: <PooolSide@aol.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: [WINN] WYNNE Wills > > > Aloha kakahiaka from Kailua! (Good mawnin'!) > > Cuzzins, have you seen this small collection of documents (mainly wills) for > Robert Wynne, Mayor of Canterbury; William Wattmer (brother of Frances); > Peter Wynne; Thomas Wynne; Sloman Wynne; Maj John Stith; his son John; and Drury > Stith , all transcribed by Dorothy Tuttle? > > > If not, go here: > > > <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html">http://homepage s.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html</A> > > Let me know if you have any problems opening the url and I will "find a way" > for you. But first, try. <GRIN> > > Andie Harris > > >

Let's try a different way, I could not open this! Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: <PooolSide@aol.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: [WINN] WYNNE Wills > > > Aloha kakahiaka from Kailua! (Good mawnin'!) > > Cuzzins, have you seen this small collection of documents (mainly wills) for > Robert Wynne, Mayor of Canterbury; William Wattmer (brother of Frances); > Peter Wynne; Thomas Wynne; Sloman Wynne; Maj John Stith; his son John; and Drury > Stith , all transcribed by Dorothy Tuttle? > > > If not, go here: > > > <A HREF="http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html">http://homepage s.rootsweb.com/~cmddlton/famdox16.html</A> > > Let me know if you have any problems opening the url and I will "find a way" > for you. But first, try. <GRIN> > > Andie Harris > > >

Before everone puts in their guess about MINOR--it is ???? in the Quaker religion meaning younger--William Wynn !! named a son minor after he joined the Quakers. mildred S. Winn

I'm afraid they are too profuse to be a mistake. The Minors Carolyn referred to appear in the Wilkes Family History. >A probably stupid question but... Could some of the "Minor" names, actually >be a written mistake? > >Could it have been a bit of confuzzion about how the name was being used.. >Example: "The minor Wynn, works on that property." Could be mistaken for >the first name of a Wynn, instead of what they meant which was the younger >of the two Wynn's works on that property. You know how some of those census >takers were. > >Just wondering.... > >Cuz B >ttg-inc@comcast.net < NEW E-MAIL >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj@his.com> >To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:34 PM >Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > > >> Hi Jack, >> Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! >> >> Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it >relate to an earlier >> link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a >link between the >> Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? >> >> Myles Johnson >> >> ******************************************************* >> >> jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: >> > >> > Myles; >> > >> > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: >> > >> > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne >> > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne >> > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne >> > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne >> > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him >yet >> > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" >> > >> > Jack >> > >> > >Hi Barbara, >> > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and >> > >can't help with your >> > >question. >> > > >> > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the >> > >family of Col. Robert >> > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever >> > >been linked to that line >> > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. >> > > >> > >Good luck. >> > > >> > >Myles Johnson >> > > >> > >************************************************* >> > > >> > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! >> > >> >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes >> > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or >> > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I >> > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > > > >>1728. > > > >> > > > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > > > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > > > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, >> > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you >> > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). >> > >> >> > >> Thanks! Barb >> > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: Myles Johnson >> > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com >> > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM >> > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn >> > >> >> > >> Hi, >> > >> I can't help responding to this. >> > >> >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof >> > >>that the John Winn recorded >> > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in >> > >>only three other >> > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. >> > >>This John was almost >> > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him >> > >>connected to any family at all. >> > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to >> > >>'explain' another guess -- >> > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. >> > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > > > >>notes (last page). Miner >> > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he >> > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann >> > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the >> > >>LDS Library -- in undoc >> > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The >> > >>reader is referred to Denis >> > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] >> > >> >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no >> > >>doc that ties any of them to >> > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who >> > >>appear in early Va. >> > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been >> > >>assigned by careless writers >> > >> to John & Eliz. >> > >> >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to >> > >>actually locate the parents >> > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, >> > >>please consider doing so. >> > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. >> > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, >> > >>named her in his will as >> > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older >> > >>brothers, she was prob. still >> > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is >> > >>made further unlikely >> > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is >> > >>not even any evidence >> > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as >> > >>sons to John Winn seem to >> > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not >> > >>have come from John. >> > >> >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been >> > >>no other apparent >> > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor >> > >family was a fairly >> > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other >> > >>possible parents for the Minor >> > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. >> > >> >> > >> Myles Johnson >> > >> >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth >> > >>Minor's children as outlined below? >> > >> > >> > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, >> > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland >> > >>Co., VA. She married >> > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 >> > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. >> > >> > >> > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: >> > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. >> > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., >VA. >> > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William >Co., VA. >> > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. >> > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. >> > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. >> > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks so much, Barb >> > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in >> > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in >> > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). >> >>

Hi Jack, Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it relate to an earlier link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a link between the Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? Myles Johnson ******************************************************* jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: > > Myles; > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > Jack > > >Hi Barbara, > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > >can't help with your > >question. > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > >family of Col. Robert > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > >been linked to that line > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Myles Johnson > > > >************************************************* > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > >>1728. > >> > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > >> > >> Thanks! Barb > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Myles Johnson > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > >> > >> Hi, > >> I can't help responding to this. > >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > >>that the John Winn recorded > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > >>only three other > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > >>This John was almost > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > >>connected to any family at all. > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > >>'explain' another guess -- > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > >>notes (last page). Miner > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > >>reader is referred to Denis > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > >>doc that ties any of them to > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > >>appear in early Va. > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > >>assigned by careless writers > >> to John & Eliz. > >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > >>actually locate the parents > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > >>please consider doing so. > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > >>named her in his will as > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > >>brothers, she was prob. still > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > >>made further unlikely > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > >>not even any evidence > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > >>sons to John Winn seem to > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > >>have come from John. > >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > >>no other apparent > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > >family was a fairly > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > >>possible parents for the Minor > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > >> > >> Myles Johnson > >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > >> > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > >>Co., VA. She married > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > >> > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > >> > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George).

A probably stupid question but... Could some of the "Minor" names, actually be a written mistake? Could it have been a bit of confuzzion about how the name was being used.. Example: "The minor Wynn, works on that property." Could be mistaken for the first name of a Wynn, instead of what they meant which was the younger of the two Wynn's works on that property. You know how some of those census takers were. Just wondering.... Cuz B ttg-inc@comcast.net < NEW E-MAIL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myles Johnson" <mylesj@his.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > Hi Jack, > Which shows what I know (or don't know) about other Wynne lines! > > Has anyone said why the name Minor appears in this family? Might it relate to an earlier > link back in England? Am I right that there has not been any sign of a link between the > Minor Winn of upper VA and Col. Robert's line? > > Myles Johnson > > ******************************************************* > > jwynn@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > Myles; > > > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > > > Jack > > > > >Hi Barbara, > > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > > >can't help with your > > >question. > > > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > > >family of Col. Robert > > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > > >been linked to that line > > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > > > >Good luck. > > > > > >Myles Johnson > > > > > >************************************************* > > > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > > >> > > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > > >>1728. > > >> > > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > > >> > > >> Thanks! Barb > > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Myles Johnson > > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> I can't help responding to this. > > >> > > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > > >>that the John Winn recorded > > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > > >>only three other > > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > > >>This John was almost > > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > > >>connected to any family at all. > > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > > >>'explain' another guess -- > > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > > >>notes (last page). Miner > > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > > >>reader is referred to Denis > > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > > >> > > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > > >>doc that ties any of them to > > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > > >>appear in early Va. > > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > > >>assigned by careless writers > > >> to John & Eliz. > > >> > > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > > >>actually locate the parents > > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > > >>please consider doing so. > > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > > >>named her in his will as > > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > > >>brothers, she was prob. still > > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > > >>made further unlikely > > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > > >>not even any evidence > > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > > >>sons to John Winn seem to > > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > > >>have come from John. > > >> > > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > > >>no other apparent > > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > > >family was a fairly > > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > > >>possible parents for the Minor > > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > > >> > > >> Myles Johnson > > >> > > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > > >> > > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > > >>Co., VA. She married > > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > > >> > > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > > >> > > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). > >

I also have a Minor Winn listed as the child of Joseph Winn who was the son of Daniel Winn and Sarah Tench. My notes say he(Joseph) was born in 1743 and died 1798/1800, married in 1775 to an Elizabeth (maybe Elizabeth Bacon or Elizabeth Wynn, d/o Thomas Wynn and Elizabeth Bannister) his son, Minor(born 1776),is listed as being married to Elizabeth Wilkes, d/o Minor Wilkes. No verification of these facts. there is a very good website on the Stith family. Easiest way to get it is to go to Google or Yahoo and enter Stith genealogy. Good luck. Carolyn Markie ----- Original Message ----- From: <jwynn@mindspring.com> To: <WINN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > Myles; > > There were at least five "Minor" Wynnes in Robert's line: > > Minor Wynne, son of William & 2nd wife, Phillis Marr Wynne > Minor R. Wynne, son of Matthew & Susannah Sammons Wynne > Minor Darius Wynne, son of Robert & Matilda Gartrell Wynne > Minor Clark Wynne, son of Thomas Peery & Lucinda Ford Wynne > Minor Wynn who left a will in GA but I've not been able to attach him yet > + a couple of others with middle names "Minor" > > Jack > > > > >Hi Barbara, > >Since Minor is not in my line, I've never really reearched him, and > >can't help with your > >question. > > > >But if the Stith's are involved, the Winn/Wynne would be from the > >family of Col. Robert > >Wynne of Chas. City & Pr. Gro. Co. I don't think Minor has ever > >been linked to that line > >at all. There are many publ. about Col. Robert's large family. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Myles Johnson > > > >************************************************* > > > >Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > >> Thanks, Miles, for the input - I need all the help I can get! > >> > >> Now the question has changed - do you show any Winn/Wynn familes > >>in Prince George Co VA of the time frame to have fathered (or > >>grandfathered) a daughter (or granddaughter) born cir 1723-1728 (I > >>have seen her birth listed as 1723 and I have seen it listed as > >>1728. > >> > >> Since she named one of her sons Stith I feel that it's likely she > >>was related in some way to the Stith family. Do you have anybody > >>listed that might be a lead - possible parents, grandparents, > >>siblings, cousins, uncles, whatevers, family pets (well I guess you > >>can omit the family pets - that would be asking for a bit much!). > >> > >> Thanks! Barb > >> (All cuz's please answer - not just Miles!) > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Myles Johnson > >> To: WINN-L@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:03 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WINN] Descendants of John Winn > >> > >> Hi, > >> I can't help responding to this. > >> > >> This is, in my opinion, a fictional family. There is no proof > >>that the John Winn recorded > >> as a headright in Westmoreland Co. in 1657, and who appears in > >>only three other > >> Westmoreland records in 1669-71, ever married Elizabeth Minor. > >>This John was almost > >> certainly not born as early as 1627. No record shows him > >>connected to any family at all. > >> The alleged and often-cited marriage was a speculation made to > >>'explain' another guess -- > >> that the well-doc Minor Winn was the son of John Winn. > >> [See W. Avery Miner, Desc. of John Minor (1983). Read the source > >>notes (last page). Miner > >> is usually given as the source for this marr. info but he > >>clearly got it from a "Mary Ann > >> Connolly" -- who in fact donated a copy of Miner's book to the > >>LDS Library -- in undoc > >> group sheets from the old Wynne Family & Kinsmen Assn. The > >>reader is referred to Denis > >> Wynn for info. Other early sources cite the above explanation.] > >> > >> Similarly with the alleged sons of this marriage. There is no > >>doc that ties any of them to > >> either John or Elizabeth. They are just men named Winn/Wynne who > >>appear in early Va. > >> records. Finding no parents for any of them, they have been > >>assigned by careless writers > >> to John & Eliz. > >> > >> It really is time to get rid of this myth and start trying to > >>actually locate the parents > >> of these men. If you have traced your line back to any of them, > >>please consider doing so. > >> Whoever their parents were, they were not John Winn & Eliz. Minor. > >> John was at least 60 years old when Eliz.'s father, John Minor, > >>named her in his will as > >> still "Elizabeth Minor" in 1698. Given the ages of her older > >>brothers, she was prob. still > >> a minor (no pun) in 1698. This May-December alleged marriage is > >>made further unlikely > >> because John Minor was a wealthy, prominent man whereas there is > >>not even any evidence > >> that John Winn ever owned anything. Most of the men claimed as > >>sons to John Winn seem to > >> have started life with some property or means, but it could not > >>have come from John. > >> > >> The Winn-Minor marriage myth has lasted because there has been > >>no other apparent > > > explanation for the name 'Minor' appearing later. But the Minor > >family was a fairly > >> successful one, both in Eng. and in Va. There must other > >>possible parents for the Minor > >> Winn in 1700's Va. Keep searching, folks. > >> > >> Myles Johnson > >> > >> Barbara & Tom Fifer wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone have the descendants of John Winn and Elizabeth > >>Minor's children as outlined below? > >> > > >> > ELIZABETH8 MINOR (JOHN7, HARRY6 MINORS, WILLIAM5 MINERS, > >>RICHARD4, THOMAS 3, RICHARD2, PHILIP1) was born in Westmoreland > >>Co., VA. She married > >> > JOHN WINN Bef. 1664 in Westmoreland Co., VA. He was born 1627 > >>in Virginia, and died 1694 in Virginia. > >> > > >> > Children of ELIZABETH MINOR and JOHN WINN are: > >> > i. THOMAS9 WINN, b. 1664; d. 10 Oct 1715. > >> > ii. OWEN WINN, b. 1666; d. 17 Apr 1721, Middlesex Co., VA. > >> > iii. MINOR WINN, b. 1668; d. Abt. 1730, Prince William Co., VA. > >> > iv. RICHARD WINN, b. 1670; m. SARAH ?. > >> > v. WILLIAM WINN, b. 1672. > >> > vi. JAMES WINN, b. 1675. > >> > vii. BENJAMIN WINN, b. 1679; d. 1710." > >> > > >> > Thanks so much, Barb > >> > Ever searching for "my" Mary Elizabeth Winn, b 1723-1728 in > >>?Prince George Co VA (she's listed as born in Amelia, however in > >>that time frame Amelia was still Prince George). > >